To Fatmanonice (the entire post, and you are henceforth referred to as F):
If people are legitimately concerned about the future of this project, they should be relieved to know that Ankoku is not abandoning it; unless he has changed his decision again, he is going to maintain the list privately.
But not publicly... you have to send him a PM in order to get the results which is ******** especially if you're someone like me who used to check it on a daily basis or someone who doesn't have an account. (Smashers outside of Smash Boards? Dear God!)
You nor Ankoku nor anyone else here should make it appear as if Ankoku was victimized. I said that his list has done damage, yes I will not deny that or pretend that I said it any more sweetly than I actually did. However, I did not blame HIM for it, I never said "Ankoku, your efforts have caused harm to that which you love". He did not tell anyone how to interpret the numbers, he did not claim that if MK had twice as many points as the 2nd highest character, that he was a banworthy character, he did not do anything wrong by keeping his list here and maintaining it. He took my words really personally for some reason and misunderstood my point entirely.
Again with the "LOL WUT?" response... You basically accused him of all the spam regarding Metaknight/Snake being top tier since the game was released and how Metaknight is starting to run away with tournaments because many people have adapted a "Metaknight=insta-win" mentality. That's a pretty big accusation, don't you think or have we completely abandoned such action in this discussion?
I've said this many times already, F, but I'll say it to you specifically. I gave Ankoku props in the SBR for starting this list when it began, I have been very vocal and supportive of this list in the past, and my opinion that MK's very high placing has been used as supporting data by most people on SWF that MK is broken and should be banned has nothing to do with my appreciation for the effort Ankoku put into maintaining the list and making his calculations as accurate as possible. I personally don't think it should be weighted to the degree it is, but that's a minor issue that doesn't affect much of the actual placings.
And this is his fault because...? He's just reporting tournament results; he has no control over what other people say. People are still going to know that Metaknight is freakishly good whether this thread exists or not. All the character boards back this up too so this is by no means the only source of this.
I did not place blame on Ankoku. Perhaps I did not sugarcoat my opinion by adding "although your list is wonderful and i deeply appreciate its existence", but that doesn't mean that I blamed him for the misinterpretations of the community members nor does it change the fact that I always have supported the continuance of the list.
Then why tell him that his personal project was hurting the community? Have you gotten on anyone else for this?
Adolescent? I'm a month away from being 22 years old, already have someone who I would have taken to homecoming a) if I were in high school still or b) if I ever gave a **** about something as meaningless as homecoming, and I wasn't angry and my post did not reflect any amount of furor, and if you were able to see the context of the discussion in which I made the statement you would know this. I am not trying to put Ankoku in any bad light or disrespect him in any way, but from my point of view he overreacted. I think Ankoku is too sensitive for someone his age and this incident is not the only thing that makes me believe this, so my opinion that he overreacted has precedent.
You weren't angry when you basically told me I was ********? That's rich... I could kick you in the nuts and buy you a milkshake afterwords but would the initial reaction be justified? Like I said, after what you said and what you accused him of, I think he has the right to be upset. The problem here is that you can't seem to understand how he might feel about this situation: you're thinking entirely about yourself. What do you care; it's not your project but that's not the right additude to have going into this.
After reading that I was the only one in the SBR to speak of Ankoku's list in any fashion, after reading that I never asked for Ankoku to take down the list, and after reading that I said there was no point to removing the list at all, yes you should have known better and your response was not justified. Not at all.
Let's bring up a situation I once had to deal with: Let's pretend you are part of a church; one day, the youth pastor comes up to you and tells you that it's your fault that attendance is down because you "scare" people away because you wear a trench coat. Is it fair to accuse one person of being a source for something wrong (in this case, Metaknight doing freakishly good in tournaments)? Obviously, no, it's not. It's not the person fault for how other people interpret the situation and it's not realistic to pinpoint them as a main source unless it's commonly agreed that it is the main source. (Like I said, the character boards have agreed that Metaknight is best character for months.)
And do I care? Yeah, I'd like the list back up. But I'm not about to pressure Ankoku to do it when he clearly doesn't want to for whatever reason that he won't publicize, so if he wants to give the project to someone else I would be glad, but it's not my place to revive the list and I'm not gonna try.
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