Character Rankings List - Post-March 2010

[DanGR]

Yeah, it confused me at first too. I'm just messin with ya.

 

[gantrain05]

MK has more points than the bottom 25 characters combined lol.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Do-do-do-do!

Not much as changed here despite events like Whobo not being counted anymore. >_<

 

[ShadowLink84]

Ankoku why is it that Snake and MK are in the same rank?
Isn't the gap between them enough to place MK in a rank of his own as well as Snake?

 

[DanGR]

Snake is in the same rank because he's got at least half the amount of points MK has. (barely) Falco, on the other hand, should be in the next tier if Ankoku is going by that system. Hmm... that would skew the rest of the tiers up as well... Maybe next time.

 

[itsthebigfoot]

S Rank «Uber» 39.43%
1 Meta Knight (91 top8, 61 top4, 52 top2, 52 wins) - 2078.7
2 Snake (81 top8, 55 top4, 19 top2, 29 wins) - 1052.6

A Rank «Overused»
3 King Dedede (34 top8, 23 top4, 14 top2, 16 wins) - 555.7
4 Diddy Kong (44 top8, 24 top4, 10 top2, 12 wins) - 518.4
5 Wario (38 top8, 24 top4, 12 top2, 9 wins) - 426.9
6 Marth (46 top8, 20 top4, 6 top2, 10 wins) - 346.9
7 Falco (44 top8, 25 top4, 7 top2, 5 wins) - 286.3

B Rank «Standard»
8 Ice Climbers (19 top8, 14 top4, 9 top2, 6 wins) - 235.2
9 Pikachu (9 top8, 7 top4, 4 top2, 4 wins) - 212.9
10 Olimar (26 top8, 10 top4, 6 top2, 3 wins) - 177.6
11 Mr. Game & Watch (29 top8, 14 top4, 3 top2, 2 wins) - 168.1 - 13
12 ROB (22 top8, 11 top4, 6 top2, 2 wins) - 165.0 - 11
13 Pit (18 top8, 10 top4, 2 wins) - 151.8 - 12
14 Pokémon Trainer (4 top8, 2 top4, 6 top2, 2 wins) -147.0 - 19
15 Toon Link (14 top8, 7 top4, 6 top2, 2 wins) - 146.5 - 18
16 Donkey Kong (15 top8, 7 top4, 3 top2, 4 wins) - 145.4 - 14
17 Lucario (20 top8, 11 top4, 1 top2, 5 wins) - 139.2 - 16
18 Kirby (17 top8, 8 top4, 4 top2, 4 wins) - 127.5 - 15

C Rank «Borderline»
19 Peach (14 top8, 7 top4, 4 top2, 3 wins) - 109.7 - 21
20 Sonic (11 top8, 5 top4, 5 top2, 3 wins) - 101.5 - 17
21 Zero Suit Samus (18 top8, 5 top4, 3 top2, 3 wins) - 91.7 - 20
22 Luigi (14 top8, 5 top4, 1 top2, 4 wins) - 90.1
23 Zelda/Sheik (10 top8, 6 top4, 2 wins) - 82.3
24 Fox (18 top8, 6 top4, 2 top2, 2 wins) - 73.2
25 Wolf (24 top8, 8 top4, 5 top2, 2 wins) - 68.2
26 Lucas (10 top8, 4 top4, 4 top2, 1 win) - 59.9

D Rank «Underused»
27 Yoshi (8 top8, 6 top4, 1 top2, 1 win) - 46.9
28 Ike (5 top8, 3 top4, 1 top2, 2 wins) - 35.5
29 Ness (6 top8, 3 top4, 1 win) - 26.0

E Rank «Never Used»
30 Jigglypuff (3 top8, 3 top4, 1 win) - 20.8
31 Mario (8 top8, 1 top4, 1 top2, 1 win) - 15.5 - 33
32 Link (5 top8, 2 top4) - 10.8 - 31
33 Ganondorf (2 top4) - 9.9 - 32
34 Samus (7 top8) - 8.4 - 35
35 Bowser (6 top8) - 6.3 - 34
36 Captain Falcon (4 top8, 1 top4) - 2.5

better?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

My question is why is the gap between MK and Snake STILL huge?

 

[DanGR]

better?

Yeah, actually. Though I don't think anyone really cares too much about the division of the tiers at this point. I was just pointing out a small mistake, lol.

My question is why is the gap between MK and Snake STILL huge?

MK is better.

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

My question is why is the gap between MK and Snake STILL huge?

Er, because considerably more people place with MK in tournaments?

 

[ShadowLink84]

Snake is in the same rank because he's got at least half the amount of points MK has. (barely) Falco, on the other hand, should be in the next tier if Ankoku is going by that system. Hmm... that would skew the rest of the tiers up as well... Maybe next time.

That is still massive.
If you look at the other "tiers" (ill use that word since its easier), there isnt such a large gap.
Meanwhile when you get to MK and Snake, it is certainly larger than what you would see in the other tiers.

 

[da K.I.D.]

when I see these results, it makes me think that theres something seriously wrong with our matchup threads. because if so many people have near even matchups with MK and snake i cant see why they are both still ****** tournaments with MK and snake. That indicates to me that it must be much harder fighting MK especially than the individual character boards let on, which means MK is ateven a greater advantage in most matches than people generally people like to admit

 

[Kewkky]

I agree with you, da K.I.D... But remember that the only ones to go up in tourneys against top level MKs are usually other top tier characters, so the lower tiers don't have a chance to test their matchup knowledge like Snake, Wario, Falco and others do.

 

[FakeGeorge]

Gameware Monthly 11
40 entrants
$5 entry
Baton Rouge, La.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177487

Singles:
1: Lee - Marth/DK/Metaknight
2: Hyro - Toon Link
3: Cyphus - DK/ Fox/ PT
4: Sudai - ROB
5: Ran - Snake
5: Roni - Metaknight
7: fakegeorge - G&W
7: Nitez - Diddy/ D3

 

[~ Gheb ~]

when I see these results, it makes me think that theres something seriously wrong with our matchup threads. because if so many people have near even matchups with MK and snake i cant see why they are both still ****** tournaments with MK and snake. That indicates to me that it must be much harder fighting MK especially than the individual character boards let on, which means MK is ateven a greater advantage in most matches than people generally people like to admit

Match-up threads discuss match-ups at the highest level of play (whatever this means). Only very few players play on that level in actuality though. In reality top-level play on a consistent basis is almost only played at huge tournaments like Apex (where - what coincedence - characters like the Ice Climbers, D3, Lucario and Pikachu placed in the top8 as well), where many talented players take part at once (and to such an extent, that it's possible for the second best MK to only place 13th).

This thread takes every single tournament posted here into account as long as it fulfils the requirements. These also inevitably include tournaments, where Brawl is played on a much lower level than at ECRC or WCSL events. If you only took the results of the ECRC events this year the gap between Snake and MK (as well as D3 and Diddy Kong) would indeed be a lot smaller. The same can be said about the WCSL, where Falco and Wario are exceptionally successful.
An example would be Seibrik, who wins tournaments in Florida on a consistent basis with MK but who contributed no points at all for MK at APEX/CoT4. The FL tournament still counts in MKs favour and he gets all the points for the win - even if the very same MK wouldn't have won points at all on a bigger occasion.
(Not saying that Seibrik plays on a low level - just how much difference the tournament itself can make).

It's no secret, that MK ***** characters played on a lower level - hence his massive point lead. If we only took the tournaments into account, where the top8 contains exclusively top players, the gap would be smaller.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Waba Game Tournament, 6/20/09
37 Entrants, $10 Entry Fee

1. TheReflexWonder (Pokemon Trainer)
2. kismet2 (Falco)
3. BigLou (Luigi)
4. Scatt (Snake)
5. Desu (Meta Knight)
5. ZomB (Snake, ROB)
7. Rayku (Lucario)
7. Tong (Kirby)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=206029

I'm so cool.

 

[Shaya]

The critical flaw with match ups are that either:

The character ignores the bases and only talks as if the match up is in a certain regard due to OPTIONS (very common).
And to a lesser extent boards ignoring that their character has littleoptions, but are like OMG CAN KILL THEM AT SO AND SO PERCENT.

When it comes down to it, characters such as Snake have the best bases in the game; this automaticly skews every single match up in the game incredibly in his favour, then the individual character boards go "well I can kinda camp them too, so it's even (superficial example)". This means that one character can do well against another due to options, but what does it matter when there bases are perhaps 3x better (so for every 3 successful 'strikes' they only need to do one).
The highest common example in this regard are King Dedede and Meta Knight.
King Dedede has a lot more options than people give credit for, and definitely one of the best bases in the game too; so when a character goes 'well we don't get cged by D3, [one] of his options are removed, its auto in our favour', people think he's a shallow character when he [well I wonder...] OBVIOUSLY is not.
When it comes to MK, the character with the most options in the game, and unbelievable bases to go with it; one character board goes 'hai guys, our character has a 'base' variable that has a slight favour on MK! IT MUST BE EVEN!!!!!!!'

Snake probably has no match up in this game that isn't in his advantage, except maybe MK and maybe Dedede. Even if your character restricts some of Snake's options, you're still going to lose, eventually. It's just how it works.

 

[Steeler]

shaya you should post a thread about these bases (mainly because i've never learned about them)

reflex is badass yet again

 

[Frown]

I'm so cool.

Nobody is denying that.

 

[Browny]

you know shaya I think Sonic could have the most options in the game...

theyre just no where near as effective as MK's lol. the MK ditto shows how few options he really has when faced against himself, something I think you may be overlooking

also i know you hate it, but what are DDD's options when it comes to approaching? sure his options in other aspects are great but this is one thing getting exploited more and more recently.

 

[Affinity]

-The Real Inferno's Real Inferno-

Link: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7666589&postcount=14995
Date: 6/20/09
Location: Wichita, KS
Entrants: 16
Entry: $5

1: Affinity - Meta Knight
2: KY - Pit
3: The Real Inferno - ROB/G&W/Meta/Dedede
4: Fino - Olimar
5: Clel - Meta Knight
5: MJG - Toon Link
7: Mr. Doom - Ike
7: Zeton - Fox

 

[Afropony]

Good work from KY, keep on reppin' Pit!

 

[Shaya]

you know shaya I think Sonic could have the most options in the game...

theyre just no where near as effective as MK's lol. the MK ditto shows how few options he really has when faced against himself, something I think you may be overlooking

also i know you hate it, but what are DDD's options when it comes to approaching? sure his options in other aspects are great but this is one thing getting exploited more and more recently.

You could be right (about Sonic). His bases are definitely not as good as MKs, but his options are quite vast.

D3 definitely has weaknesses approaching, hence in some match ups he's better on the smaller stages (the difference between vsing Falco On final destination compared to Battlefield is STUPENDOUSLY skewed in falco's favour on FD, and probably close to even on BF). D3 is a character with a lot of 'walling' and 'moving fortress' options; sure you can run 'away' from him, but you can't exactly push him back; he's just a slow approacher.
A lot of characters have to play the gay card against Ice Climbers, and Wario has to play the gay card against a lot of characers in contrast. D3 has many 'gay' options, and with his great bases he can be reasonably safe in getting a percent lead and keeping himself there whilst the opponent has to actually get past his amazing wall/fortress options taking potentially large amounts of damage or death due to d3's gimping game (which so much of his ability comes straight from putting a player off the stage, even without the cg...)

tl;dr If a characters polar opposite option (i.e. defensive if referring to offense) is so spectacular that it invalidates the use or dumbs down the reason for using the main option; you can almost discard it. But this is purposeful 'balancing' in the game as to allow the character a spread of match ups (if what Sakurai said was true, i.e. some disadvanages, some evens some advantages).
Funnily enough the kirby characters are all extremely defensive; with varying degrees in amazing punishment game.

 

[Kewkky]

http://www.smashpr.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1590
Entrants: 32
Participation Fee: $10.00 (50% was kept for buying a plane ticket, to send a second person to Genesis)

1: Lee% ($96.00)

2: Excel Zero ($48.00)

3: Luigimax ($16.00)

4: Rated

5: Sheik@nt

5: DFat1

7: Noux

7: Kewkky

(Characters are in order from most used to least used)

 

[Metro Knight]

Anyone seen the Aerial Rave Ranbat results yet? Kit got first, Legan got second...

 

[HolyNightmare]

It's a trap!

Link:http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=238723
Date: 20-21 June(2 days)
Location:Canada, Quebec
Entrants: 21
Entry: $5

1: Holynightmare(ROB)
2: Swordgard(Ice Climbers)
3: Chester(Fox)
4: Buenob(ROB)
5: Dom(Snake)
5: Stroumbert(Falco)
7: Steb(Lucas)
7: Thatguy(Mario)

 

[infomon]

Location:Canada, Quebec

wot

and why aren't there any MKs in montreal lol
or Ottawa for that matter

 

[Matt07]

Yes good stuff ThatGuy :D.

 

[meepxzero]

MD/VA C3 June Judgement Day 6-20
10$
50 entrants

1: Atomsk (Metaknight/Ice Climbers/Pit/GAW/DDD)
2: Meep (Ice Climbers)
3: Omni (Metaknight)
4: Chu (Kirby/Ice Climbers)
5: Azen (Metaknight)
5: P~S (Olimar)
7: Xero (Metaknight)
7: Plairnkk (Metaknight)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=238460

lol now we need someone from midwest to post lain getting 2nd with ic too XD.

 

[HolyNightmare]

wot

and why aren't there any MKs in montreal lol
or Ottawa for that matter

We had one, it's cause no one is really gay enough to use him and most of us know the MK match-up quite well.

 

[Darth Waffles]

1: Atomsk (Metaknight/Ice Climbers/Pit/GAW/DDD)
2: Meep (Ice Climbers)
3: Omni (Metaknight)
4: Chu (Kirby/Ice Climbers)
5: Azen (Metaknight)
5: P~S (Olimar)
7: Xero (Metaknight)
7: Plairnkk (Metaknight)

Apparently it's because they're all here, at least the onces that play IC too =P

 

[TheReflexWonder]

MD/VA C3 June Judgement Day 6-20
10$
50 entrants

1: Atomsk (Metaknight/Ice Climbers/Pit/GAW/DDD)
2: Meep (Ice Climbers)
3: Omni (Metaknight)
4: Chu (Kirby/Ice Climbers)
5: Azen (Metaknight)
5: P~S (Olimar)
7: Xero (Metaknight)
7: Plairnkk (Metaknight)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=238460

I find this somewhat silly, hah.

 

[infomon]

We had one, it's cause no one is really gay enough to use him and most of us know the MK match-up quite well.

I don't understand why you'd consider it gay for someone to main MK if you know they're just gonna get wrecked; I mean, it's obv MK ain't broke here lol.

idk I find it fun to fight MKs

 

[slikvik]

I find this somewhat silly, hah.

looks normal to me

 

[meepxzero]

if u cant beatem joinem?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

if u cant beatem joinem?

Or pick up Snake ...

 

[meepxzero]

more like snake gets destroyed by good ic.

edit: yea im overly biased of ic now XD.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

more like snake gets destroyed by good ic.

You're delusional.

Edit: Ooops...didn't see your edit...sorry, meep.

 

[lain]

Smashed in Smashfield MWC: East Championships June 20th
$10
80 entrants

1: Ally ($325.09)
2: Lain ($149.00)
3: Anther ($94.82)
4: Judge ($54.18)
5: Hunger ($27.09)
5: Shugo ($27.09)
7: YBM
7: Grimace

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Smashed in Smashfield MWC: East Championships June 20th
$10
80 entrants

1: Ally ($325.09)
2: Lain ($149.00)
3: Anther ($94.82)
4: Judge ($54.18)
5: Hunger ($27.09)
5: Shugo ($27.09)
7: YBM
7: Grimace

Hey, did Ally move to MI? I heard people saying that he was going to...

 

[Keitaro]

MD/VA C3 June Judgement Day 6-20
10$
50 entrants

1: Atomsk (Metaknight/Ice Climbers/Pit/GAW/DDD)
2: Meep (Ice Climbers)
3: Omni (Metaknight)
4: Chu (Kirby/Ice Climbers)
5: Azen (Metaknight)
5: P~S (Olimar)
7: Xero (Metaknight)
7: Plairnkk (Metaknight)

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=238460

lol now we need someone from midwest to post lain getting 2nd with ic too XD.

Smashed in Smashfield MWC: East Championships June 20th
$10
80 entrants

1: Ally ($325.09)
2: Lain ($149.00)
3: Anther ($94.82)
4: Judge ($54.18)
5: Hunger ($27.09)
5: Shugo ($27.09)
7: YBM
7: Grimace

0_o

Wow Meep, did you already know Lain got 2nd with ICs in the MW or do you two have a mental bond between each other making you know he'll get 2nd like you?