CASUAL ELITISTS vs COMPETITIVE ELITISTS!!!!

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

@ETERNALPHOENIXFIRE Whats wobbling and can you teach me how to do it? This is how a player who wants to be the best is supposed to act, To have an unquenchable thirst for power and battle techniques always wanting to grow stronger,faster,and wiser.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

you dont even play smash and you have over 400 posts on a smash based forum?

*confusion*

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

@ETERNALPHOENIXFIRE Whats wobbling and can you teach me how to do it? This is how a player who wants to be the best is supposed to act, To have an unquenchable thirst for power and battle techniques always wanting to grow stronger,faster,and wiser.

Wobbling is a psuedo grab infintate. It's a technique used bu the Ice Climbers when the are desynched. I actually don't know how to use it, but check the Ice Climbers thread in the character specific Melee section. You should be able to find out.

 

[CHAOSDRAGON88]

Thanks ETERNALPHOENIXFIRE, I appreciate it.

 

[NES n00b]

First you grab, then you jab, in the middle of the jab you hold the stick foward and press a to get a head butt, because you are were holding the stick foward while the animation was going on, Nana won't move and get dsynched. Next, you press a while holding foward at 200 bm so that it perfectly alternates between foward tilts and heabutts.

 

[yoshi_fan]

you dont even play smash and you have over 400 posts on a smash based forum?

*confusion*

Obviously, i play smash -_-

And i play most with adv. techs.

And i use sheik.

And yoshi.

Wtf

I0m dizzy.

 

[Drik Khaail]

so, otherwise, 'scrubs' are people with more of a life?

 

[NES n00b]

so, otherwise, 'scrubs' are people with more of a life?

Not at all. lol

Scrub is a mindset. There are people who are competitive that are still pretty scrubby. There are people who are considered to not have a "life" (that is not clearly defined but an abstract measurement of society) like people who spend all there time programming or reading but would still be a scrub in this game. There are people who are married like Buzz or my friend that still play competitively. In other words, it is not how much of a "life" you have, but what mindset you have.

Pl0x use logic k.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

so, otherwise, 'scrubs' are people with more of a life?

I am married, and I play very competitively. I must have a life in some form; otherwise, I would be single again. Scrub is indeed a mindset, not an indicator of how much time people "waste".

 

[Superstarmario]

so, otherwise, 'scrubs' are people with more of a life?

Dumb arguement. I maintain a healthy social life , excerise, go to school, work, and play football in a recreational league. And I still can find at least thirty fuggin minutes to manage to get my Mario to wavedash.

Aren't you on a web based forum? Do you plan to "waste" your time on playing Brawl, which is in all essence, just a game?

People, epescially people posting on a video game message board of all things, should know better than to post dip**** "lol i hav a lif nurd" arguements.

 

[Paingel]

Here's the difference between a Scrub and a Casual.

A Casual will look at an advanced technique and say, "Wow, hey that's pretty cool. How'd you do that?"
A Scrub will see the same AT and say, "ZOMG CHEAP you hacker you cheat I hate you!"

A Casual will lose to his opponent and say, "LOL that was a fun match. Wanna go again?"
A Scrub will lose to the same opponent and say, "ZOMG CHEAP you hacker you cheat I hate you!"

A Casual will hear about tactics and strategies and say, "Well that sounds cool, but I'm just don't take the game that seriously. But I'll tell you anything you wanna know about <insert unrelated subject here>."
A Scrub will hear about those same tactics ans strategies and say, "ZOMG CHEAP you hacker you cheat I hate you!"

Casuals are actually pretty nice, you see.
On the other hand, scrubs tend to annoy you to such a point that you wanna be cheap, hack the game, and cheat like crazy JUST to make them hate you.

That's the difference.

 

[Darkfur]

Here's the difference between a Scrub and a Casual.

A Casual will look at an advanced technique and say, "Wow, hey that's pretty cool. How'd you do that?"
A Scrub will see the same AT and say, "ZOMG CHEAP you hacker you cheat I hate you!"

A Casual will lose to his opponent and say, "LOL that was a fun match. Wanna go again?"
A Scrub will lose to the same opponent and say, "ZOMG CHEAP you hacker you cheat I hate you!"

A Casual will hear about tactics and strategies and say, "Well that sounds cool, but I'm just don't take the game that seriously. But I'll tell you anything you wanna know about <insert unrelated subject here>."
A Scrub will hear about those same tactics ans strategies and say, "ZOMG CHEAP you hacker you cheat I hate you!"

Casuals are actually pretty nice, you see.
On the other hand, scrubs tend to annoy you to such a point that you wanna be cheap, hack the game, and cheat like crazy JUST to make them hate you.

That's the difference.

This is a great post and I'd like to continue it.

A Competitive player will hear about advanced techniques and say. "Wow, that's pretty awesome, I'm going to learn that."
A Scrub or Elitist will say. "OMG I'll learn that to Pwnzorz the N00bs because that's all they are good for."

A Competitive player will lose a competitive match and say. "Shoot! That was close man. I look forward to challenging you again next time. Don't lose your edge cause I plan to sharpen mine. *handshake*"
A Scrub or an Elitist will lose a competitive match and say. "*throw controller* *****" And then get frustrated, leave immediately or go mope in the corner. They will then log onto smash boards later and look for casual players to antagonize or burn.

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Just wanted to add that cause scrubs aren't only casual players or just Competitve players. Also there are elitists on both sides too.


Kirbykid has a great topic worth a read. You may not agree with it entirely, but it's still a very good and well thought out topic. It may have even been linked to before in this thread.
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=122596

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

so, otherwise, 'scrubs' are people with more of a life?

hahahhahaa. Are you in grade four by any chance?

Seriously this is good stuff, any more horribly irrational statements you'd like to throw out there hotshot?

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

hahahhahaa. Are you in grade four by any chance?

Seriously this is good stuff, any more horribly irrational statements you'd like to throw out there hotshot?

Sigged immediately.

 

[BigRick]

so, otherwise, 'scrubs' are people with more of a life?

I hate the Brawl boards...

 

[Zaq attaq]

In defense of the competitive community, we never stage attacks unprovoked on the casual community. Sure, heated debates go back in forth within respective threads, but the casual community drew first blood. They are the ones saying to us, "You people take the game too seriously! I bet you would lose without your precious wavedasing and L-canceling! Brawl is going to rock, and we are going to beat you!" We are only defending ourselves from their horrible logical fallacies.

My message to the casual community: convince your friends to play casually. Find people who do not play the game often enough to become advanced players. Do not come out here and tell the rest of the world that we are in the wrong for taking the game to a whole new level. What did we ever do to you?

hahahahahaha dude you sound like my science teacher but seriosly who cares? jk jk i no dis is real important (not) its just a game guys have fun

 

[Zaq attaq]

Don't ay of you think your taking this 2 seriosly i like winning and all but this is unreal!

 

[Deleted member]

Ummm dont double post. Anyways, i think competatives are owning this debate

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

Ummm dont double post. Anyways, i think competatives are owning this debate

We use logic-dashing and stupidity-canceling.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

the point of the first post was that there would be no debate so...

phailure

 

[Bajef8]

In defense of the competitive community, we never stage attacks unprovoked on the casual community. Sure, heated debates go back in forth within respective threads, but the casual community drew first blood. They are the ones saying to us, "You people take the game too seriously! I bet you would lose without your precious wavedasing and L-canceling! Brawl is going to rock, and we are going to beat you!" We are only defending ourselves from their horrible logical fallacies.

My message to the casual community: convince your friends to play casually. Find people who do not play the game often enough to become advanced players. Do not come out here and tell the rest of the world that we are in the wrong for taking the game to a whole new level. What did we ever do to you?

you did nothing, so i agree. i think the casual players who don't like the competitive players should just stop saying stuff. if you want to be all competitive than just learn all the advanced tactics. that's pretty much the dividing line. if you're casual, you probably never use or have used advanced tactics and if your competitive, then you just mastered the game at another level of gameplay.

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

the point of the first post was that there would be no debate so...

phailure

They started it.

 

[MoogleDude]

They started it.

So what???

You sound like an elementary school kid when you say that.

 

[error_alt_delete]

Im not worried about who I play. and I dont think wavedashing is in this game so it shouldnt be a problem(sorry to those who think it should stay in). and if I fight competitively over that random player wifi setup(if its like mariokart), the casual player will HAVE to learn how to defend themselfs better. it will all work itself out so Im not worried.L-canceling was put in for a reason so why complain about it?(L-cancel is were you catch yourself when you are about to hit the ground right?)

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

So what???

You sound like an elementary school kid when you say that.

Don't start what you can't finish.

 

[`Jammin' Jobus]

I think the most important point is that pretty much all competitive gamers were at one time casual gamers. Which means we have seen this game from both sides and can honestly tell you that it gets 100X funner when you get better and play in tourney settings.

Thats how it was for me. I used to love FFA's on Hyrule with items, then i got better and now i'd rather have a heated 1 vs 1 against my brother no items on Pokemon stadium or dreamland. It's simply funner for me..

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

We use logic-dashing and stupidity-canceling.

Dammit buzz why is my signature picture too big. I wanna quote that. Large.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

We use logic-dashing and stupidity-canceling.

That's going in my sig.

 

[FightingGameGuy]

We use logic-dashing and stupidity-canceling.

Haha, but you forgot quotes!

Maybe quotes should be removed from the brawl forum in order to even the playing field since they give such an unfair advantage to experienced forum goers?

(L-cancel is were you catch yourself when you are about to hit the ground right?)

If you mean when you shield before hitting the ground after you have been attacked, that's teching. L-canceling is when cancel the lag from one of your aerial attack by shielding before landing.

Maybe edits should be disabled too. Dirty advanced techniques.

 

[Red Exodus]

I don't understand why people call themselves "competitive" or "hardcore" when it comes to Smash Bros.

I see where they are coming from if they have been in tournaments, and have come in the top 3, then they can call themselves hardcore, but if they're just kids who sit in their room all day practicing "wavedashing" etc. then that's just pathetic.

This is why flame wars start. Casuals and competitives can hardly ever agree.

 

[Takeshi245]

This is why flame wars start. Casuals and competitives can hardly ever agree.

Hence all the hate. Seriously guys, there's a simple solution to all this: if a casual just doesn't like playing with competitive players, play with people that have the same mindset like you and leave them also and the same goes for the competitive player.

 

[ph00tbag]

They started it.

I actually would have to say you started it. You repeatedly posted well-thought-out, but very pointed, inflammatory remarks. You may have written about how you have no problem with casual players, but I could tell from reading your posts that you had an axe to grind, otherwise you wouldn't be ranting so freely about how you're always being wronged by "Casual players." You covered your ***, but your mouth was laid bare, and that's what people are responding to.

Sorry, pet peeve.

"y'all" or "you all" is a redundancy because the word "you" is already plural.

No it's not.

It was at one point, but only silly people use it thus.

 

[metaknighter]

hmmm, casuals should know that swf is mostly made up of competitive players( even though they're still able to be a part of swf). If they want to argue, go argue in an all casual player website and rant their.

 

[Mama]

The root of this problem is really the threads made. Casuals try to post threads that downlplay all advanced tactics and techniques and say things like "if they removed all the glitches" "Brawl will be glitch free" "You competitive eletists" etc etc. In response to that the competitive players have to put on an elitist facade since the ability to try and win over whatever casual was lost when he made the thread in the first place.

There are far too many close minded people who only se black and white. They don't understand that this is a game. Like all games there will be people who play at the simple level and have fun and then there will be your competitive players who do more than the simple things and have just as much fun.

Problems arise when casuals step into the competitive field and then bash it for whatever reasons. Theres no reason to do so. If you don't like competitive play don't bash it because you'll only get flamed ten times over especially on these boards.

 

[Paingel]

We use logic-dashing and stupidity-canceling.

That was awesome.

in regards to previous posts, I know that there are Elitist Competitives too. And really, people who think that you're a loser because you DON'T know how to L-Cancel are just as bad as the people who think that you're a loser because you DO know how to L-Cancel.

Which, I suppose, is the theme of the thread.

 

[`Jammin' Jobus]

I think its funny because we all know these so called casual gamers that want the naunces and exploitations that so many of us love out of brawl.. will still lose to any good brawl player who uses any of the new advanced techniques that come out of the woodwork and the cycle will just start over so really it doesn't even matter. Realistically, not wavedashing isn't gonna stop us.

 

[Rx-]

Arguements make me sad. I think that the tournament rules should be decided by the people running the tournaments, and I think that the rules should vary more from place to place.

 

[MookieRah]

think that the tournament rules should be decided by the people running the tournaments

That's how the tournament scene has been run since the beginning, it's just that the competitive scene evolved over time and now they agree with most of the same rules.

 

[wWw Dazwa]

F*ck you and F*ck 4chan.

First off, despite anything you say, there is no way in hell that i'm going to acknowledge a pedofile as a good person. Using humor is a way for a child to feel less intimidated of their presense.

I don't know why this hasn't been addressed yet, but...

lulz. It's funny, and they got two pedos (Douglas L Payne Jr and Chris Forcand) so they are funny people and good people, but mainly funny.

He didn't mean 'got' as 'have,' he meant 'got' as in 'exposed them for who they are.' I'm sure 4chan ruined their lives somehow. They know how to do that.

 

[Ogre_Deity_Link]

I think its funny because we all know these so called casual gamers that want the naunces and exploitations that so many of us love out of brawl.. will still lose to any good brawl player who uses any of the new advanced techniques that come out of the woodwork and the cycle will just start over so really it doesn't even matter. Realistically, not wavedashing isn't gonna stop us.

Execpt now, some casuals *coughmecough* will be able to keep up to date with a fresh start in adv. Techs, so now I can practice them along with the rest of the crowd and maybe play competitively.