KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
I actually need to practice that ****. I always roll lol, SDI *****.
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Mix it up.Whats the best thing to do against a Falco that SHL camps you underneath a platform?
Eat a laser and dash attack/run at them and grab/fair OOS?
WD back and forth OOS trying to bait an approach?
Try to time possibly a non FF SH fair/nair over the laser?
I honestly powershield quite well but in tournament I lose confidence in it and start looking for these alternate methods when I should really just trust my PS probably.you could run up and powershield the laser for a free grab. If you're not comfortable with powershielding, there's also
shorthop (eat a laser) falling fair/uair immediately.
Believe it or not if you're close enough you can even d-smash them and THEN get hit by the laser (lag cancel?). uh...don't do this one too much <_<
Then there's the generic solutions like counter or the stuff you mentioned
Im having the same problem. I always run in trying to get fox.Im not very good at it myself. I tend to approach and either win (if i'm better than them) or get *****. Its one of the things i'm trying to work on right now.
What can Falcon do to stop Marth's camping? The basis for the Falcon > Marth argument has always been Falcon's crazy punish game, not that Marth gets helplessly camped from neutral position.Yeah but marth can't do much to stop falcon's camping, which is why he > marth
Watch M2K for example against different Falcos or against Jman.it's honestly probably one of marth's biggest weaknesses, but i guess it's not impossible so we have to quit johning and accept it since our character is still only 5th at very worst
Nah CF is just fine for Marth. Any extra attack range is moot bc an extended SH aerial is telegraphed and marth can just react. CF doesn't force Marth to commit to anything at all without first committing himself. The matchup is even from neutral position and falcon punishes a bit harder, is all. In my experience I've never lost to a CF player that wasn't also a great player in general. I can't say the same for sheik, unfortunately.Falcon has a much bigger effective range. He can threaten marth from a distance that marth can't threaten him, putting marth on the defensive and putting him in the position that if he doesn't do something to protect himself (attack, shield, roll) he will likely get hit.
This matchup is just as hard as sheik if the falcon plays it properly.
Linguini outcamps Kels because Kels tries to force the kill when he has a monster lead and approaches stupidly.Yeah. Until you learn how to out camp them. See linguini vs kels to understand the general concept ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltMcPeuI6U ) Linguini never really approaches and literally out camps the camper lol
Sheik is easy mode. You can do the strategies to beat marth at just about any level. CF requires more skill. You might simply be at the level where the CFs at your level aren't good enough to win via this strategy.Nah CF is just fine for Marth. Any extra attack range is moot bc an extended SH aerial is telegraphed and marth can just react. CF doesn't force Marth to commit to anything at all without first committing himself. The matchup is even from neutral position and falcon punishes a bit harder, is all. In my experience I've never lost to a CF player that wasn't also a great player in general. I can't say the same for sheik, unfortunately.
Lol yeah that too. Kels was choking that set.Linguini outcamps Kels because Kels tries to force the kill when he has a monster lead and approaches stupidly.
He also doesn't know the secret to edgeguarding Ganon at 100%+ (~110 on Dreamland).
LOLwhat do you do against a samus that just spams ftilt on your sheild
Thats exactly what i'm saying, marth has to over commit in order to get his hits in. Falcon does punish better than marth, but i dont have too many problems comboing or killing falcon once i get a hit or a grab.I guess I just disagree on CF. Like when I play Hax the issue is not that I can't hit him but he just kills me faster. He'll just catch me overpursuing or something and bair -> grab -> stock. It feels like if I was just better and stopped running into hits I could win a lot. In other words, it feels like its my fault for losing not that the matchup is too overpowering or anything.
can you really grab it?LOL
grab more, Taiger.
or play Falcon.
Probably if you Shield DI but otherwise you shouldn't be able to I'd imagine. If they space.can you really grab it?
I also like to use FSmash to get them to the egde/offstage, since Falcons recovery sucks and if he is close to the edge U are able to pressure him really well.yeah i use utilt a lot. Its marth's version of the shine except its much laggier and gets you ***** if they bait it
I stand corrected.Sounds too complicated. Why not just fair out of shield or WD backwards and fsmash his foot when he ftilts again.
I like both ideas, CC fsmashing samus' ftilt is actually a good idea that i'm gonna try next timeI stand corrected.
This is a good point. Thing is, not taking damage > taking damage, so if your OOS options are as effective as your CC options, use shield.You wouldn't have to fsmash. When you CC something, you have more options than when you shield something. You could just take the ftilt, then run up and grab her while she's putting back her foot.