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[Niko45]

Cactus said 35/65 against a defensive sheik, but the matchup is closer if sheik actually approaches. If sheik approaches its more or less 45/55 sheik.

I think that is overrated personally. Ken did so well in that matchup there is no way that its that bad.

I agree. I feel that it's completely within reason to expect yourself to beat Sheiks. It's just a matchup that takes a ton of practice so that you know exactly what to do in every situation.

 

[Staco]

I agree. I feel that it's completely within reason to expect yourself to beat Sheiks. It's just a matchup that takes a ton of practice so that you know exactly what to do in every situation.

strawhat dahean

 

[Niko45]

strawhat dahean

He's pretty much my hero. Aggro Marth and it doesn't ****in matter ur gonna get *****.

 

[Staco]

He's pretty much my hero. Aggro Marth and it doesn't ****in matter ur gonna get *****.

only one who knows the shiek mu that good ;D

 

[Cactuar]

Sheik used to be one of my best MUs back when I played Marth.

 

[tRoll King]

Scrub question... does neutral b have a tipper?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Im gonna be playing marth vs the next sheik i meet in tournament (assuming i ever make it to another V__V). I have some ideas about the match-up, but i want to prove them before i make a post about it.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Why dont you share. It couldnt hurt if other ppl tried them as well.

the more feedback the better. Usually lol

 

[ChivalRuse]

Marth vs Sheik is a dumb match-up. I wish I actually knew how to DI her throws. :embarrass

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

hold behind her and press b. this will get you out of just about everything she can combo you with out of a grab. Basically she will get 1 hit (tilt or aerial). Idk if it gets you away from the usmash, but one can hope.

My ideas on the match-up is just to be really patient, basically... lol

 

[Teczer0]

Sheik used to be one of my best MUs back when I played Marth.

Sheik used to be your best match up with any given character.

....

****en Cactus... come back? Tristate loves you <3

 

[DoH]

Cactus, what should I do after I graduate next Saturday. I have a BA in Political Science and a formidable tenor

 

[ChivalRuse]

hold behind her and press b.

What does that accomplish?

 

[Teczer0]

It makes you DI behind her and side b to help you rise as soon as possible.

At least thats my guess.

 

[Dart]

What does that accomplish?

It makes small children cry and women swoon, the question is...WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO IT?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

It makes you DI behind her and side b to help you rise as soon as possible.

At least thats my guess.

yeah. its a lot better than attempting to jump just to get fair/ftilted immediately

 

[Tairseth]

I have a question concerning the falcon match-up. When I face falcons sometimes Ill take his down air meteor smash when I am sweet spotting a ledge (with Up B) and I wont be able to use my Up B again before I die. Ive tested this a few times and neither him nor I could recover after being meteor smashed from falcons down air after using Dolphin Slash once. I know meteor smashes can be canceled several times consecutively and this is why I am confused. If anyone could let me know if I am wrong about not being able to cancel it please let me know why. I have theories about maybe a cooldown time before being able to Dolphin Slash again or it might just need different timing than I am used to. If someone could look in to this I'd appreciate it so much. :D

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

no you just have to time it correctly.

You can't hold up. You must return the control stick to neutral or to the side.

You can't attempt a meteor cancel during hitlag, it will cause you to not be able to meteor cancel for another 60 frames (1 second, aka death)

Meteor canceling takes some practice, but once you get it down its not too hard to come back anytime they use a meteor on you (even ganon's)

 

[Dart]

no you just have to time it correctly.

You can't hold up. You must return the control stick to neutral or to the side.

You can't attempt a meteor cancel during hitlag, it will cause you to not be able to meteor cancel for another 60 frames (1 second, aka death)

Meteor canceling takes some practice, but once you get it down its not too hard to come back anytime they use a meteor on you (even ganon's)

This is probably what you are doing. Its what i do alot and i don't realize thanks for reminding me sveet

 

[Niko45]

Does anybody know/know where I can find frame data on ledge stand up invincibility, roll up invincibility and also frame data for how long the ledge is occupied in both cases?

 

[Dart]

Does anybody know/know where I can find frame data on ledge stand up invincibility, roll up invincibility and also frame data for how long the ledge is occupied in both cases?

ask m2k? its probably in the melee discussion board maybe...

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Does anybody know/know where I can find frame data on ledge stand up invincibility, roll up invincibility and also frame data for how long the ledge is occupied in both cases?

Spoiler

Ledge stand <100%

Total: 32
Invulnerable: 1-30
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Ledge stand 100%>

Total: 58
Invulnerable: 1-55
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Ledge Roll <100%

Total: 48
Invulnerable: 1-38
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Ledge Roll 100%>

Total: 78
Invulnerable: 1-56
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Ledge attack <100%

Total: 54
Hit: 24-27
Invulnerable: 1-20
-------------------------------------
Ledge attack 100%>

Total: 68
Hit: 38-41
Invulnerable: 1-34
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Ledge jump <100%

Total: 50
Invulnerable: 1-11
Soonest FF: 42
-------------------------------------
Ledge Jump 100%>

Total: 57
Invulnerable: 1-18
Soonest FF: 49

I believe you are considered holding the edge for the entire animation, except for ledge jumps... where it stops as soon as you're airborne basically.

 

[Niko45]

^i knew Sveet would deliver. Thanks so much.

 

[Tee ay eye]

how come sometimes after you do a dash attack -> some other attack, you slide backwards a little bit?

MAGUS

I SUMMON THEE

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

how come sometimes after you do a dash attack -> some other attack, you slide backwards a little bit?

MAGUS

I SUMMON THEE

Well since you didn't summon me, i wont answer.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I only dont know the answer because I too, like Sveet, was not summoned

 

[Tee ay eye]

eat a d**k, sveet

<3

 

[ChivalRuse]

Tee hee. This thread. :freak:

 

[Tairseth]

no you just have to time it correctly.

You can't hold up. You must return the control stick to neutral or to the side.

You can't attempt a meteor cancel during hitlag, it will cause you to not be able to meteor cancel for another 60 frames (1 second, aka death)

Meteor canceling takes some practice, but once you get it down its not too hard to come back anytime they use a meteor on you (even ganon's)

Ah this... like Dart was probbably my problem as well. I'll have to test it and get back to you.

Well since you didn't summon me, i wont answer.

I only dont know the answer because I too, like Sveet, was not summoned

Well may I summon you two? That is assuming you do know the answer

 

[Just Sexed]

Well since you didn't summon me, i wont answer.

Please do Sveet I wanna know now

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

i'm not sure what you mean about moving backwards after a dash attack... give me a scenario and i'll tell you.

 

[JBM falcon08]

I answered that question awhile ago tai.

Lovage asked about it. The mechanics of marth's dash attack naturally goes back unless you are PRESSING forward after the dash attack. If you let go, and try to jump, marth will sh slightly back.

 

[KAOSTAR]

yea .

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Thats not a why. Thats just describing the action :/ though i guess theres no real why except "thats how it was programmed" lol...

 

[KAOSTAR]

That then becomes the answer for most of the questions asked about this game as long as they are about mechanics.

You gotta go up one level my friend, broaden your search.

 

[Dart]

That then becomes the answer for most of the questions asked about this game as long as they are about mechanics.

You gotta go up one level my friend, broaden your search.

if the search function wasn't borked maybe oh wait that was like a month ago.

 

[Tee ay eye]

what do you do against a samus that just spams ftilt on your sheild

 

[I.B]

jump out and fair?

 

[Tee ay eye]

****

i feel ********

i'd always try to like, WD out and grab or some bull and get ftilted again

*hits self*

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

SDI forward and shield grab