Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

[Fuelbi]

I know why people love Thermal now. It's so ****ing awesome in Wasteland when people are across teh map and are hidden by a crapload of grass in the way and it'd be impossible under the naked eye to shoot, but you kill them anyways because it's easier to see YES!

4 more levels to prestige... dammit come already

 

[RuNNing Riot]

AC130 is more map orientated imo. For example it just ***** on maps like wasteland, fuel, etc. but I found its horrid on urban areas. CG works on more maps then the AC130 does but doesn't have as much "explosive" teehee, potential as the AC does.

I actually found the AC-130 to be better on urban maps. The steady platform for shooting you get and the explosive ammo lets you just snitch them inside doorways and kill people easier. The Chopper Gunner almost never gives you a good enough angle to do the same, but it kills easier.

One more killstreak away from EAD challenge III. Very nearly got it earlier on Invasion, but some guy got a lucky last-ditch noscope with his Intervention.

 

[F8AL]

I actually found the AC-130 to be better on urban maps. The steady platform for shooting you get and the explosive ammo lets you just snitch them inside doorways and kill people easier. The Chopper Gunner almost never gives you a good enough angle to do the same, but it kills easier.

One more killstreak away from EAD challenge III. Very nearly got it earlier on Invasion, but some guy got a lucky last-ditch noscope with his Intervention.

I hear ya. I currently have 20/25 for the EAD emblem.

 

[Fuelbi]

What's EAD?

Before you say to research yourself, I've already tried

 

[RuNNing Riot]

What's EAD?

Before you say to research yourself, I've already tried

Emergency Airdrop.

Cus' acronyms are just that cool.

 

[Fuelbi]

*facepalm*

I thought it had a more in depth meaning that I wouldn't get until someone told me >_>

 

[F8AL]

Emergency Airdrop.

Cus' acronyms are just that cool.

That or I'm just too lazy to say "Emergency Airdrop" every time I get one.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

I have every moving Killstreak emblem on PS3, and I'm on the <11 Killstreaks for Xbox.

EMP's. Augh... And SitRep Pro isn't difficult, it's time consuming.

 

[Bowser King]

I'm trying to get all the killstreak emblems. So far, I only have the simple ones like UAV, care package, PM, Harrier, and pave low. I almost have CG but I'm not even close to the other ones.

So far, my nuke hunt has been unsuccessful but I've come close. The last game I played was on underpass and I got my CG but it got shot down after I got 1 kill. I managed to get my kill amount up to 20 regardless of that but the game ended by that time.

I'm not sure if I should switch CG to pavelow. Both times I've gotten 25 kills, it was with pavelow. Plus, in the game I just played, no one shot down my harrier but as soon as I got CG, it seems a bunch of people switched to a CB stinger class. I'm guessing people wouldn't be in such a rush to shot it down if I was using pavelow.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

I'm trying to get all the killstreak emblems. So far, I only have the simple ones like UAV, care package, PM, Harrier, and pave low. I almost have CG but I'm not even close to the other ones.

So far, my nuke hunt has been unsuccessful but I've come close. The last game I played was on underpass and I got my CG but it got shot down after I got 1 kill. I managed to get my kill amount up to 20 regardless of that but the game ended by that time.

I'm not sure if I should switch CG to pavelow. Both times I've gotten 25 kills, it was with pavelow. Plus, in the game I just played, no one shot down my harrier but as soon as I got CG, it seems a bunch of people switched to a CB stinger class. I'm guessing people wouldn't be in such a rush to shot it down if I was using pavelow.

I wouldn't switch from CG to Pavelow. Maybe try AC130, and if that doesn't work, I don't know what else will. You just have to get into a match where people don't shoot things down :l

 

[o-Serin-o]

rRiot was that you in those games with F8AL where you were cockblocking most of my killstreaks with your SPAS-12 :l

 

[Fletch]

I've had all the moving killstreak emblems for a while except for the stupid sentry gun. I just can't bring myself to use that killstreak, and whenever I do, it just never gets any kills.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

I've had all the moving killstreak emblems for a while except for the stupid sentry gun. I just can't bring myself to use that killstreak, and whenever I do, it just never gets any kills.

You don't need kills to get it, you just need to call them in.
>_>
<_<

 

[SolarChimecho]

Legit 10th prestige and got all the primary weapon attachments except Extended Mags. Suck it boosters loool

Spas and single 1887 is pretty ridiculous in Hardcore.

 

[Fuelbi]

I'm tempted to stop my nuke hunt for a bit of training with the other emblems as well... I dunno what to start with considering I already have the PM, UAV, and CP emblems...

 

[Fletch]

You don't need kills to get it, you just need to call them in.
>_>
<_<

I'm aware, I'm just saying that I can't really justify ever using it because it's so **** useless and annoying to call in. Big waste of time.

 

[o-Serin-o]

Don't go for a nuke until you feel you're ready. ARE YOU READY!?

 

[Fuelbi]

Don't go for a nuke until you feel you're ready. ARE YOU READY!?

Considering that I can get a Pavelow and CG now, I'd say I am... on a good day

 

[xLeafybug =D]

3 Flawless 30-0 FFA's today. Just saying.

Roach, I wouldn't go for a nuke unless you can call in a Chopper Gunner every 1-2 games. But with the amount of boosters out there, it's not like getting a nuke actually means anything.

Legit 10th prestige and got all the primary weapon attachments except Extended Mags. Suck it boosters loool

Spas and single 1887 is pretty ridiculous in Hardcore.

Hacked 10th prestige and legit 5th prestige, does that make me semi-legit 15th prestige?

 

[o-Serin-o]

I really don't see why people NEED to boost. That's like throwing away $60+ for a game just to have it done for you when you first get it.

 

[Flashing]

How is the UZI the worst lol? I've gotten about three nukes with it lol. But yeah to ME the rankings are

1. UMP 45
2. Vector
3. UZI
4. P90
5. MP5K

But I guess its all preference.

 

[Fuelbi]

3 Flawless 30-0 FFA's today. Just saying.

Roach, I wouldn't go for a nuke unless you can call in a Chopper Gunner every 1-2 games. But with the amount of boosters out there, it's not like getting a nuke actually means anything.



Hacked 10th prestige and legit 5th prestige, does that make me semi-legit 15th prestige?

So what would you recommend? Keep trying my best to train or something?

I used to support boosting and did it once myself, but I've realized, it completely ruins the game for people who play as well if they manage to get nukes. It's more annoying that they stay in party chat so they can't hear what you tell them -_-

 

[:mad:]

I really don't see why people NEED to boost. That's like throwing away $60+ for a game just to have it done for you when you first get it.

They don't NEED to boost, they just choose to. It's time consuming to get headshots, there's so much bull**** that prevents you from getting them. I used to get 5 per game at least, 13 at most. 250 is an absurd amount to get, because of this, people CHOOSE to boost. It's fun for some people, others do it because they like the paint. Nothing wrong with that. Nuke boosting hurts people, however. Headshots don't harm you.

How is the UZI the worst lol? I've gotten about three nukes with it lol. But yeah to ME the rankings are

1. UMP 45
2. Vector
3. UZI
4. P90
5. MP5K

But I guess its all preference.

My personal list is:

1. UMP45
2. Mini Uzi
3. Vector
4. P90
5. MP5k

 

[Master Xanthan]

My list

1. UMP45
2. P90
3. Mini Uzi
4. Vector
5. MP5K

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

I like all the SMGs to some extent, but I use the UMP so much nowadays it's almost ridiuculous. UMP and Famas/M16 are the only guns I really enjoy using, but I'm getting so sick of trying for headshots in HC all day. I wish I would just get put into a challenge lobby so I can get my camos, it's not fun trying to get them.

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

My list

1. UMP45
2. P90
3. Mini Uzi
4. Vector
5. MP5K

I agree with this list. P90 is great for rushing, considering it has a huge clip, and it sounds pretty cute with a silencer.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I'm pretty sure we've gone over this a while back, but meh.

1. UMP45
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2.Vector
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3. P90
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4. MP5K
5. Mini-Uzi

My reasoning for this is as follows:
1. The UMP45 is unmatched. Without stopping power, it'll kill in three shots, and it's recoil is far from unmanageable. It's just beastly.

2. The Vector is the only SMG that can compete with UMP, for two reasons: a) It has virtually no recoil, even with the Rapid Fire attachment. b) Its absurd 1000RPM Fire Rate. The only gun that shoots faster than the Vector is the G18, which fires at 1100RPM. It shoots fast, and shoots straight, this allows for many medium-long range kills, and if it was slightly stronger, it'd make the UMP look like a joke.

3. The P90 has very manageable recoil, and it's just as strong as the Uzi, but unlike the Uzi, this thing has a 50 bullet magazine.

4. The MP5 and the Uzi do the exact same thing. They dominate at close range, and nothing else. The MP5K is stronger.

I love the Uzi, and it's hard for me to say it, but yeah, it's not a good gun.

 

[Flashing]

I'm pretty sure we've gone over this a while back, but meh.

1. UMP45
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2.Vector
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3. P90
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4. MP5K
5. Mini-Uzi

My reasoning for this is as follows:
1. The UMP45 is unmatched. Without stopping power, it'll kill in three shots, and it's recoil is far from unmanageable. It's just beastly.

2. The Vector is the only SMG that can compete with UMP, for two reasons: a) It has virtually no recoil, even with the Rapid Fire attachment. b) Its absurd 1000RPM Fire Rate. The only gun that shoots faster than the Vector is the G18, which fires at 1100RPM. It shoots fast, and shoots straight, this allows for many medium-long range kills, and if it was slightly stronger, it'd make the UMP look like a joke.

3. The P90 has very manageable recoil, and it's just as strong as the Uzi, but unlike the Uzi, this thing has a 50 bullet magazine.

4. The MP5 and the Uzi do the exact same thing. They dominate at close range, and nothing else. The MP5K is stronger.

I love the Uzi, and it's hard for me to say it, but yeah, it's not a good gun.

I'm not saying that the Vector sucks though, but the UZI definitely earns the number three spot. I just don't know why its so underrated.

First off its more accurate then the MP5K so you can say its not powerful, but I find its power to be that of a P90 vector hybrid. And if your basing it off of stats then of course there wrong because I mean look at the ACR lol.

And also all SMG's dominate at close range. I don't know how your getting the long range kills with the vector. I admit it dominates and mid but LONG range? I think that's where the UZI shines is the fact that its one of the few all around good SMG's, and that's why I think its underrated is because its basically a really horrid UMP 45. It shines in close range while doing ok in medium and meh in long.

Also again, the vector is better then the UZI, I'm just saying the UZI is slightly better/tied with the P90 and way better then the MP5K.

Though that's just me.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

rRiot was that you in those games with F8AL where you were cockblocking most of my killstreaks with your SPAS-12 :l

Lol, yep. I felt like doing some makeshift trolling so spent pretty much the whole game running around with the SPAS. I think I killed you once or twice with it.

 

[Fletch]

I'm not saying that the Vector sucks though, but the UZI definitely earns the number three spot. I just don't know why its so underrated.

First off its more accurate then the MP5K so you can say its not powerful, but I find its power to be that of a P90 vector hybrid. And if your basing it off of stats then of course there wrong because I mean look at the ACR lol.

And also all SMG's dominate at close range. I don't know how your getting the long range kills with the vector. I admit it dominates and mid but LONG range? I think that's where the UZI shines is the fact that its one of the few all around good SMG's, and that's why I think its underrated is because its basically a really horrid UMP 45. It shines in close range while doing ok in medium and meh in long.

Also again, the vector is better then the UZI, I'm just saying the UZI is slightly better/tied with the P90 and way better then the MP5K.

Though that's just me.

The UMP does not dominate at close range. Someone find my long post on why the Uzi is the worst SMG.

Also, Leafy you're crazy, MP5k is definitely 2nd best SMG, MAYBE tied for 2nd with Vector, but the thing is complete ****. Never compare it to the crappy Uzi again please.

EDIT: Here is my post on the subject from before.

"The Mini-Uzi has the slowest TTK out of all the SMGs outside of the P90 (which is probably the second-worst SMG), and it also shares the most similar stats to this gun, so I'll just compare these two if thats okay. I don't think I really need to explain why the UMP and MP5k beast all over the Mini-Uzi, but I can address the Vector if you want me to. Basically the MP5k and Vector fill the spray use of the SMG much better than the Mini-Uzi.

Both the P90 and Mini-Uzi are 30-20 guns, and both have the same exact range. The P90 shoots at 925 RPM, while the Mini-Uzi shoots at 950 RPM. The 25 RPM difference is negligible, and in the absolute worst case (max range with no Stopping Power), only adds an extra hundredth of a second (.27 vs .28 respectively). In all other cases, the difference is only in the thousandths, and you really shouldn't be running into the former situation often enough for it to matter anyways. If you do, the more manageable recoil on the P90 still should still give it an easier time at range, but that's not the point of an SMG anyways.

So that brings us to clip size. The P90 holds 50 bullets while the Uzi is stuck at a paltry 32. Having nearly double the size of the clip of the Uzi is what really makes the P90 better, and not just because the P90 doesn't have to reload often, but because it can be used more effectively with perks like Marathon since you have way more ammo at your disposal, unlike the Uzi which basically requires Scav to be effective. Uzi has a better reload time barely, but if you combine the total time to empty plus reload time, P90 is faster by almost half a second for each time you run through a clip.

The P90 also has less recoil, which doesn't matter that much given that these are close-range guns, but will still come in handy. One could argue that the Uzi's recoil leads to "more headshots" being that it's vertical, but you can't really argue for more recoil ever being a better thing. The Uzi dose have a better raise/drop time than the P90, but this is pretty irrelevant as you shouldn't need a secondary often when using an SMG.

Anyways, it's not really that the Mini-Uzi is bad, it's just that all the other SMGs are more useful. You can still absolutely do well with it (just like you can with the F2k), but that doesn't make it a good gun."

 

[Flashing]

The UMP does not dominate at close range. Someone find my long post on why the Uzi is the worst SMG.

Also, Leafy you're crazy, MP5k is definitely 2nd best SMG, MAYBE tied for 2nd with Vector, but the thing is complete ****. Never compare it to the crappy Uzi again please.

EDIT: Here is my post on the subject from before.

"The Mini-Uzi has the slowest TTK out of all the SMGs outside of the P90 (which is probably the second-worst SMG), and it also shares the most similar stats to this gun, so I'll just compare these two if thats okay. I don't think I really need to explain why the UMP and MP5k beast all over the Mini-Uzi, but I can address the Vector if you want me to. Basically the MP5k and Vector fill the spray use of the SMG much better than the Mini-Uzi.

Both the P90 and Mini-Uzi are 30-20 guns, and both have the same exact range. The P90 shoots at 925 RPM, while the Mini-Uzi shoots at 950 RPM. The 25 RPM difference is negligible, and in the absolute worst case (max range with no Stopping Power), only adds an extra hundredth of a second (.27 vs .28 respectively). In all other cases, the difference is only in the thousandths, and you really shouldn't be running into the former situation often enough for it to matter anyways. If you do, the more manageable recoil on the P90 still should still give it an easier time at range, but that's not the point of an SMG anyways.

So that brings us to clip size. The P90 holds 50 bullets while the Uzi is stuck at a paltry 32. Having nearly double the size of the clip of the Uzi is what really makes the P90 better, and not just because the P90 doesn't have to reload often, but because it can be used more effectively with perks like Marathon since you have way more ammo at your disposal, unlike the Uzi which basically requires Scav to be effective. Uzi has a better reload time barely, but if you combine the total time to empty plus reload time, P90 is faster by almost half a second for each time you run through a clip.

The P90 also has less recoil, which doesn't matter that much given that these are close-range guns, but will still come in handy. One could argue that the Uzi's recoil leads to "more headshots" being that it's vertical, but you can't really argue for more recoil ever being a better thing. The Uzi dose have a better raise/drop time than the P90, but this is pretty irrelevant as you shouldn't need a secondary often when using an SMG.

Anyways, it's not really that the Mini-Uzi is bad, it's just that all the other SMGs are more useful. You can still absolutely do well with it (just like you can with the F2k), but that doesn't make it a good gun."

*sigh* I guess you can be right. I actually got fed up and went to a private match to test some shots and found out what your P90 UZI comparison said. Also I never questioned anything about UZI being better then the vector. Though there is one thing. MP5K second best, what? That thing is almost uncontrollable with rapid fire and topped with its horrid accuracy makes its power meaningless if I can kill people accurate straight on with a vector or a P90.

 

[Fletch]

*sigh* I guess you can be right. I actually got fed up and went to a private match to test some shots and found out what your P90 UZI comparison said. Also I never questioned anything about UZI being better then the vector. Though there is one thing. MP5K second best, what? That thing is almost uncontrollable with rapid fire and topped with its horrid accuracy makes its power meaningless if I can kill people accurate straight on with a vector or a P90.

It is the best close range gun BY FAR. With SP, it kills in two bullets up close, it kills in .07 seconds, and with rapid fire, kills in .05 seconds. Go akimbo, and one shot from each side gives you a kill. None of the other SMGs even come close. Mid-range it is only decent, and it does suck long-range, but you're using an SMG not an AR so long range is kind of irrelevant.

 

[Cyan_]

Anyone think the SMGs are pretty balanced (like there's not a big gap b/w them all) if you take out the UMP?

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

Anyone think the SMGs are pretty balanced (like there's not a big gap b/w them all) if you take out the UMP?

Without the UMP, in a sense, yes. If assault rifles were the same, I think this game would be much more fun. Play with what you play best with, but there really is no point in using an SMG in this game if it's not the UMP. The assault rifles are completely dominant, and to be perfectly honest, if you put steady aim on a TAR, it's probably even better than an SMG.

 

[Fletch]

Anyone think the SMGs are pretty balanced (like there's not a big gap b/w them all) if you take out the UMP?

IMO...

S Tier: UMP
A Tier: MP5K, Vector
B/C Tier: P90, Uzi

 

[smash brawl player 99021]

SitRep Pro is amazing.

Discuss.

 

[Cyan_]

IMO...

S Tier: UMP
A Tier: MP5K, Vector
B/C Tier: P90, Uzi

I agree, but I prefer Vector over MP5K.

Anyways, almost got your Internet working, Fletch?

 

[MK26]

ok, so i played a few offline games of mw2 on xbox, and i learned a few things:
1) the flipping of the shoot/scope and equipment/grenade buttons is absolutely ****ing infuriating
2) akimbo vectors/rpd ext mags + akimbo g18s is a retardedly good anti-riot shield class
3) i am unquestionably the worst brother in my family at this game, on both consoles

@knife discussion: 2hko from the front, 1hko from behind? (lolhalo)

@post-death kills: probably a last stand guy going down for the count

@wa2k w/hbs class: i have GOT to try that out some time

@smg discussion:
Top Tier: ump45/raffica/pp2k
Upper Tier: vector/mp5k/g18
Lower Tier: P90/Mini-Uzi
Hyrule Tier: TMP (honestly, i'd never heard of it until i unlocked it, lol)

Frankly, half the MPs do a better job at SMG'ing than half the SMGs

@sitrep pro: agree

Also, can anybody give me a good reason for using pistols when the m93 raffica exists? (and before you say tac knife, i say quick-knifing makes the tac knife obsolete )

 

[Fletch]

I agree, but I prefer Vector over MP5K.

Anyways, almost got your Internet working, Fletch?

Vector and MP5k is really just preference. If you can get used to it, I think the MP5k is better, but the Vector is also very beast, and better at range.

Internet is... working but I only have wireless and don't really want to play MW2 on it right now. Trying to figure out a way to get it wired.

 

[MK26]

Fletch, we run wireless and we get a pretty consistent 4-bar connection (and weve even hosted occasionally )