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L__
Smash Master
johnny your sig is very appropriate for that post
adechrist
Smash Cadet
Imo, it's usually better to read(aka guess). With reads you're less likely to get another hit, but when you get a hit, you're guaranteed a much larger percent, and possibly a stock. Getting a read and hitting a Falco with Dair>Knee is brutal. Plus, a lot of times you'll be able to get him off the stage, which sucks for Falco. Dumb bird can't fly.
I was just watching SilentSpectre play. He regrabs only at very low percents. Then he goes for reads. I'm assuming he does this because reads aren't as good at low percent since that's when Falcon can't combo spacies well.
Walt
Smash Ace
On the subject of fighting good falcos, I got destroyed by zhu last night. I got 4 stocked twice in a row, 3 stocked like 8 times in a row, and I think 2 stocked once or twice total. Don't know what to do about that dude daaaaaaang. Teaming with him is fun though because we both suck at teams and just pretend we know what we're doing.
Also bob$ is underrated. Dude was styling on people.
Also bob$ is underrated. Dude was styling on people.
Gahtzu
Smash Journeyman
Tech chasing with superior stage positioning often times proves to be more fruitful than tech chasing with grabs/attacks IMO
tarheeljks
Smash Lord
agree that reads become more worthwhile at high %'s where they will lead directly to a kill, but you also have to be supremely confident in your reads to go solely off them. ss certainly employs more reads than the average falcon, but he also much better at making them so gotta take that into account. you might be underestimating his reflexes somewhat; he's said he techchases off a mix of reaction/reads though it looks like all he does soulread
regardless, tending to an extreme (e.g. always going for reads, or always going on reaction) is unlikely to be optimal unless you're doing so for the sake of practice. or if you have a strong beat on their tech patterns, whether b/c they are a noob or you make godly reads. i could see, and would endorse, relying heavily on reads if you're playing a much better opponent b/c you will need to capitalize on grabs more often and will want to introduce an element of luck to win. same would be true when facing a large deficit in a match.
regardless, tending to an extreme (e.g. always going for reads, or always going on reaction) is unlikely to be optimal unless you're doing so for the sake of practice. or if you have a strong beat on their tech patterns, whether b/c they are a noob or you make godly reads. i could see, and would endorse, relying heavily on reads if you're playing a much better opponent b/c you will need to capitalize on grabs more often and will want to introduce an element of luck to win. same would be true when facing a large deficit in a match.
S l o X
Smash Champion
Walt
Smash Ace
Man I'm in the mood to play but no one to play right now so questions: Johnny I've been having a lot more trouble getting out of Fox shield pressure than Falco. Like, depending on what Falco does he pretty much chooses to either be able to punish rolls by being a little bit riskier/closer inside of you or allow you to roll but contain you with lasers. WD OoS being an option depending on if they waveshine away, or spaced nair/bair. But against Fox I'm feeling like drillshine/shine nair/being behind your shield ready to upsmash/nair/utilt allows them to catch rolls and bair/stomp OoS. I'm thinking of mixing in more fullhop(+platform waveland is available) and more WD OoS against Fox since maybe I'm staying into too long since his moves have less shield stun? Basically I usually buffer a roll after a shine or early nair and get chased with a grab or dash attack.
JPOBS
Smash Hero
fox's pressure is like a thousand times tighter than falco's, but at the same time, it's a lot less dangerous to get hit by fox's pressure than falcos.
Falco can hitconfirm any move into a death combo. Its way harder for fox because his pressure is harder so its really hard for him to hitconfirm moves and combo before you escape. in a lot of situations, you can just take the shine damage and DIP before fox can react to the hit and punish.
also, intentionally jumping into the shine is really useful .
Falco can hitconfirm any move into a death combo. Its way harder for fox because his pressure is harder so its really hard for him to hitconfirm moves and combo before you escape. in a lot of situations, you can just take the shine damage and DIP before fox can react to the hit and punish.
also, intentionally jumping into the shine is really useful .
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Guest
HAY man NO MORE BEING EMO IN MY TOPIC PL0Xreal good advice, wish i read it before the tournament.
regarding fox, theres no true way to avoid his shield pressure you can only mix it up to escape getting ***** IMO, but 99% of foxes can't pull off his shield pressure to foxes potential
i'm pretty good at it, but there are times where u get smacked up with no escape
iRobinhoood
Smash Lord
Dear Falcon guys, I know you guys have run streams on your own. I have recently setup a stream at a friends house using a Dazzle DVC 100 using xSplit and VHcapture. I'm pretty sure this is the standard stream setup.I'm very good at trouble shooting my HD capture cards but I don't know anything anymore about the standard definition ones. The stream seems grainy as if horizontal lines make up the images. The picture/colors are fine but you can definitely tell it doesn't look like the smash streams I've seen on twitch.
If someone would be so kind as to post their settings(VHcapture/ xsplit etc.) that would be greatly appreciated. Or possibly refer me to a dazzle stream guru of sorts. Thank you <3
tl;dr I need help setting up a stream. Where do I go?
If someone would be so kind as to post their settings(VHcapture/ xsplit etc.) that would be greatly appreciated. Or possibly refer me to a dazzle stream guru of sorts. Thank you <3
tl;dr I need help setting up a stream. Where do I go?
D-Smash does work great on the edge. Good tip.
On the subject of throw di, I know at low percents if they di down and away, like they should, you tech chase them but what about at high percents and by high percents I mean in the right percents for a throw<knee? Are you still supposed to be able to hit the knee or do you have to build up more percent or are you just s.o.l.?
On the subject of throw di, I know at low percents if they di down and away, like they should, you tech chase them but what about at high percents and by high percents I mean in the right percents for a throw<knee? Are you still supposed to be able to hit the knee or do you have to build up more percent or are you just s.o.l.?
Ask Peef. He's the main stream guy.
Yooo new falcon main here, can anyone give me moonwalk tips? i cant seem to get it down. also if anyone is interested critique por favor
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320559
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=320559
Nakamaru
Smash Master
The way i learned to do it is in between opponent's stocks. I'd KO them and while they are respawning i would try it once or twice. Before i knew it i could do it on command.
I've never actually used it in a serious match though. It telegraphs itself way to much to really be useful.
I've never actually used it in a serious match though. It telegraphs itself way to much to really be useful.
Yes i do and thanks, ill keep that in mind.
once i get it down enough to do it whenever, thats how ill start incorporating it. Thanks
Nakamaru
Smash Master
wish i could give you more technical tips, but i honestly dont know how i do it. It is all feel for me.
GL to ya.
GL to ya.
Walt
Smash Ace
Ok so here you go dude:
Marth: 70-85% you can get away with 60% sometimes if they are not expecting it, and 40-50% you can put an uair in there instead and get a dthrow>uair>knee/uair. and honestly the exact higher end of the percent is a little wonky, dthrow>knee to around 100% works plenty of the time.
Shiek: 70-90% works for both throws. uthrow>uairx3 is good any time after 40%+
Peach: same as marth. nair is gay.
Fox/Falco: uthrow>knee actually works around 120% but bad players will let you do it at 100%. at 70%-80% uthrow>dtilt>knee works with no DI away.
Is this all with down and away di? It seems like those are just the general percents for throw>knee.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
Just knee that *****, then if hes still alive knee him again.
I like this advice.Just knee that *****, then if hes still alive knee him again.
Nakamaru
Smash Master
That sums up my mentality perfectly. I just replace knee with hit.
If I'm not hitting my opponent then I'm either getting combo'd or I'm just about to start.
It's worked so far.
If I'm not hitting my opponent then I'm either getting combo'd or I'm just about to start.
It's worked so far.
iRobinhoood
Smash Lord
http://twitch.tv/ticosmash
Was wondering if I could get some feedback for a friends stream I setup. Comments in chat plz <3
Was wondering if I could get some feedback for a friends stream I setup. Comments in chat plz <3
good job setting it up. Hope it gets more viewers.
Nakamaru
Smash Master
Tournament in Pittsburgh this weekend. How do you guys go about quickly moving from one matchup to the next. I find that i need a match or match and a half to shift from one to the other.
Any tips on doing it faster?
Any tips on doing it faster?
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Deleted member
Guest
new controller sucks **** feel like quitting smash
Walk outside, take a few deep breaths and clear your mind if it's between sets. Mid set try the same thing indoors but the air will obviously be 1000x ****tier lol
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Deleted member
Guest
theres some ****ty parts about my controller that force me to play slower, if i go my normal speed (which i have to vs falco for the way i play) then tiny bad things about the controller **** me up
S l o X
Smash Champion
Divinokage
Smash Legend
Exposed! You must follow your own advice!
TheCrimsonBlur
Smash Master
get ***** johnny
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
For tech chasing falco I think you have to pay special attention to how they DI your throw.
Knowing when to WD vs fox trot vs wait --> run grab doesn't matter as much vs fox because of the ****ty tech roll, but from watching falcon players in general (idk if it's true for you) I've noticed that they make things a lot harder on themselves by not switching up their initial movement based on the opponent's DI on the throw (before they even tech).
For example at some ranges it's best to just wait and learn a sweetspot timing on when you run forward (I do this with marth a lot), or maybe even run backwards before running forward. If you learn the specific spacing for this you can get it to work so that as you're running towards them you can just grab mid-run if they tech in place, keep running if they tech away, or turn around if they tech back. It's really %/DI specific, but knowing when this works makes it a *lot* easier in the relevant situations because you can just react while running.
In general, I think there's probably a way you can approach every single DI/% situation that creates the optimal situation for you to react with.
I definitely haven't noticed falcon players do this(have specific setups depending on their DI), but maybe I just don't watch enough videos anymore.
Another trick I use at low % is to setup a jab reset. Jab resetting whiffs the majority of the time on falco/fox (yeah I know, it sucks), but if they DI a certain WD distance away at the right % you can actually WD forward and have enough time to use your momentum from the WD to help you land a jab reset on reaction. The timing/spacing works out so that as they miss the tech/tech in place you can choose between jab or grab (while usually in falcon tech chasing, people go for the guessing missed tech vs. predicting a tech) and still react to the tech roll options.
The little tricks are all super situational, but there *are* tricks for every situation. I've always thought if you learned to position yourself well and learn all the sweetspot timings (like in my first example, for running at them) falcon could do it pretty reasonably assuming your reaction time was decent.
Knowing when to WD vs fox trot vs wait --> run grab doesn't matter as much vs fox because of the ****ty tech roll, but from watching falcon players in general (idk if it's true for you) I've noticed that they make things a lot harder on themselves by not switching up their initial movement based on the opponent's DI on the throw (before they even tech).
For example at some ranges it's best to just wait and learn a sweetspot timing on when you run forward (I do this with marth a lot), or maybe even run backwards before running forward. If you learn the specific spacing for this you can get it to work so that as you're running towards them you can just grab mid-run if they tech in place, keep running if they tech away, or turn around if they tech back. It's really %/DI specific, but knowing when this works makes it a *lot* easier in the relevant situations because you can just react while running.
In general, I think there's probably a way you can approach every single DI/% situation that creates the optimal situation for you to react with.
I definitely haven't noticed falcon players do this(have specific setups depending on their DI), but maybe I just don't watch enough videos anymore.
Another trick I use at low % is to setup a jab reset. Jab resetting whiffs the majority of the time on falco/fox (yeah I know, it sucks), but if they DI a certain WD distance away at the right % you can actually WD forward and have enough time to use your momentum from the WD to help you land a jab reset on reaction. The timing/spacing works out so that as they miss the tech/tech in place you can choose between jab or grab (while usually in falcon tech chasing, people go for the guessing missed tech vs. predicting a tech) and still react to the tech roll options.
The little tricks are all super situational, but there *are* tricks for every situation. I've always thought if you learned to position yourself well and learn all the sweetspot timings (like in my first example, for running at them) falcon could do it pretty reasonably assuming your reaction time was decent.
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Guest
****KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkk ur right
S l o X
Smash Champion
honestly controller johns are always the worst. not even because they aren't legit or anything but because the one person i ALWAYS play with (strawhats) complains about his controller 24/7.
Sinji
Smash Master
Knee>jab reset.
at. 0:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t5E4ZvWfQc&feature=related
has anybody tried this and has been practicing this? I think it can lead up to a deadly set up.
at. 0:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t5E4ZvWfQc&feature=related
has anybody tried this and has been practicing this? I think it can lead up to a deadly set up.
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Guest
i think they are pretty legit for a little bit until you get lucky enough to find a new controller/ break in a new one
i think no controller would be as good as the one i used for like 2 yrs though it was extremely good