BrawlBox v0.63d (bug fixes)

[Kryal]

This actually sounds like a really good idea. I know Kryal is planning to make the editor much easier to use in the future, but still even when that happens, you could import animations from other games.

Also, I was wondering Kryal. Have you thought about how the click+drag animation editor will work yet? I was wondering if you where going to take the approach that some programs use in that when a bone is selected, it shows a sphere with different circles for each axis:

Or are you taking a completely different approach?

Something similar, yes.

Do you think it'd be possible to tweeak the collision editor a little? I wanna drag things around instead of plugging numbers in w/ BrawlWall.

You already can. Use the mouse.

 

[Kryal]

Okay, bugfix release (again). Animations save properly, and CLR files have more support (colors shouldn't corrupt anymore).

From here on out I will begin working on the model builder. It's actually really simple, I just have to remake a lot of classes. Next version will have (I hope) a new interface using the Glass framework which is halfway finished. The hard part is making the controls. I have some interesting ideas which you may like as well.

Until I return...

 

[Alphatron]

I swear Kryal, I can never truly state how much we all appreciate you for this.

 

[Shadic]

I swear Kryal, I can never truly state how much we all appreciate you for this.

This.

Brawlbox is simply amazing. I hope you don't ever doubt how appreciative we are of this program.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Okay, bugfix release (again). Animations save properly, and CLR files have more support (colors shouldn't corrupt anymore).

From here on out I will begin working on the model builder. It's actually really simple, I just have to remake a lot of classes. Next version will have (I hope) a new interface using the Glass framework which is halfway finished. The hard part is making the controls. I have some interesting ideas which you may like as well.

Until I return...

And he doesn't even get paid for this :'D.

We should set-up a paypal account for donations for Kryal.

 

[brawlshifter]

From here on out I will begin working on the model builder. It's actually really simple, I just have to remake a lot of classes.

Great! Have you talked with RandomTBush at all? He has done a lot of research on MDL0 files.

 

[Kryal]

Great! Have you talked with RandomTBush at all? He has done a lot of research on MDL0 files.

I know how all of the model pieces fit together. In fact, I was able to check for links in those files you sent me with just a hex editor. Kind of worried me...

I almost forgot, a special thanks to Eldrian who helped me debug the freezing problem!

 

[brawlshifter]

I know how all of the model pieces fit together. In fact, I was able to check for links in those files you sent me with just a hex editor. Kind of worried me...

Worried you? How?

 

[Dantarion]

Kyral, do you mind if I start working on adding command line support to BrawlBox? I have some batch texture dumping functions I wanna do :D

 

[pikazz]

Okay, bugfix release (again). Animations save properly, and CLR files have more support (colors shouldn't corrupt anymore).

From here on out I will begin working on the model builder. It's actually really simple, I just have to remake a lot of classes. Next version will have (I hope) a new interface using the Glass framework which is halfway finished. The hard part is making the controls. I have some interesting ideas which you may like as well.

Until I return...

you are doing great work :3
*giving you a cookie* x3

but I haven't understand so much about the model builder
can we add bones and make them right?

 

[JamesRaynor]

And he doesn't even get paid for this :'D.

We should set-up a paypal account for donations for Kryal.

Actually I like this idea.

 

[fortwaffles]

so what exactly will the mdl0 builder do? will it allow us to take polygons from one and add them to the other? or much more?

 

[E-Jolteon]

Something similar, yes.

Hey Kryal, when you said something similar, did you mean you were going to use local controllers instead of word?

To the uninformed:
What he showed you was the WORLD control. Using that with bones is very bad as you're rotating it based on the front of the model, and that can lead to many animation problems, mainly including characters pointing joins in unnatural or impossible position.

Local is rotation based on the axis of the bone itself.

 

[n64billy]

You already can. Use the mouse.

You can use the mouse to move around bones....?

I have tried all different key/mouse combinations and I couldn't find any way to rotate bones using the mouse... And nothing was in the online manual form the OP... so halp?

EDIT: Yes! E-Jolteon just showed perfectly what I'm looking for!
(Also, LUL @ Mario's right eye problem)

 

[ds22]

It would be easier if you could move the bones with the mouse.

 

[E-Jolteon]

(Also, LUL @ Mario's right eye problem)

Who said it was a problem?

Also @ Kryal: Not Brawlbox related, but I take it you're either a really dedicated hacker or you just love programming.

 

[n64billy]

Who said it was a problem?

Well, anyone with an eye that twitches like that has a problem of some sort

 

[E-Jolteon]

Well, anyone with an eye that twitches like that has a problem of some sort

I did that deliberately.

It helps to emphasize the contrast between world and local.

Nah, it was totally a bug. And this too.

 

[n64billy]

I did that deliberately.

It helps to emphasize the contrast between world and local.

Nah, it was totally a bug. And this too.

Teeheeeheeeheeeheeehee ^^

 

[KuroBit]

Okay, bugfix release (again). Animations save properly, and CLR files have more support (colors shouldn't corrupt anymore).

From here on out I will begin working on the model builder. It's actually really simple, I just have to remake a lot of classes. Next version will have (I hope) a new interface using the Glass framework which is halfway finished. The hard part is making the controls. I have some interesting ideas which you may like as well.

Until I return...

Honestly, I can't believe the amount of dedication you have towards this. (Or is it actually really easy to do and we all think it's some insurmountable task? )
Thanks for all the work you put into BrawlBox!

You can use the mouse to move around bones....?

I have tried all different key/mouse combinations and I couldn't find any way to rotate bones using the mouse... And nothing was in the online manual form the OP... so halp?

You said "Collision Editor" and "Brawl Wall". That's stage collision editing, not model animation editing. You can't move bones with the mouse yet, but you can move stage collisions with the mouse.

EDIT:

Hey Kryal, when you said something similar, did you mean you were going to use local controllers instead of word?

I couldn't see why he wouldn't use local rotation (It would probably be much easier to program anyway). Although I suppose global movement can be good for things too. (Such as how they probably made Ike's Aether or Snake's Up+B)

 

[Power Marshall]

Thank you for the update, though seeing as this is v0.63d, I take that the model rebuilder will be on v0.64?

 

[E-Jolteon]

Thank you for the update, though seeing as this is v0.63d, I take that the model rebuilder will be on v0.64?

That's ironic, considering how important 64 has always been for me. That's why I had 64 in my non-Smashboards Username.

To move on to something relevant, while I don't know much about MDL0, I do wonder how well this importer will work; I mean, looks at the weird results we get just from other games... It seems like importing and having a functional model without having to export pre-existing bones at least for reference would be impossible. For example, we all know Brawl needs TopN, TransN, XrotN, YrotN, and a ThrowN bone to correctly handle players, but from what Kryal was saying, we wouldn't need a base skeleton at all... Wouldn't that throw off the characters actionscript? And furthermore, I'm wondering what formats BrawlBox will handle importing of, since there aren't a whole lot that preserve the bone structure.

 

[Kryal]

Kyral, do you mind if I start working on adding command line support to BrawlBox? I have some batch texture dumping functions I wanna do :D

Go ahead. I started BrawlCmd a while back, but didn't want to get too far with it because the library isn't complete. The idea was to use text input and interpret it to reflection commands, which would dynamically find nodes and call methods.

With the library, a person could write one class and do pretty much anything with the data anyways. In fact, you could 'script' commands like a batch file with PowerShell instead of programming it in.

If there's something specific you want to do we can easily add it to the library. If it's not complex it might be easier than writing a new program for it. If it has something to do with patching, there will eventually be a mass-patcher used by BScape.

Hey Kryal, when you said something similar, did you mean you were going to use local controllers instead of word?

All bone transforms are local.

Thank you for the update, though seeing as this is v0.63d, I take that the model rebuilder will be on v0.64?

That's the plan.

That's ironic, considering how important 64 has always been for me. That's why I had 64 in my non-Smashboards Username.

To move on to something relevant, while I don't know much about MDL0, I do wonder how well this importer will work; I mean, looks at the weird results we get just from other games... It seems like importing and having a functional model without having to export pre-existing bones at least for reference would be impossible. For example, we all know Brawl needs TopN, TransN, XrotN, YrotN, and a ThrowN bone to correctly handle players, but from what Kryal was saying, we wouldn't need a base skeleton at all... Wouldn't that throw off the characters actionscript? And furthermore, I'm wondering what formats BrawlBox will handle importing of, since there aren't a whole lot that preserve the bone structure.

Node indices are used by the action script, separate from the model itself. With the model builder, a person could add/remove bones to match the scripts and even use 'dummy' bones for that purpose. Support for action scripts will come later, which will allow you to change the node tracking using a scripting language.

Import export formats will be .obj for polygons, .dae for whole models/scenes.

 

[luigiman1928]

Thank you for the update, though seeing as this is v0.63d, I take that the model rebuilder will be on v0.64?

That's the plan.

Import export formats will be .obj for polygons, .dae for whole models/scenes.

YES!

 

[Kryal]

Oh yeah, I found out where the material properties are stored. They're set up as display lists like the polygons so that the hardware can call the commands directly. When they have a codec we will be able to change alpha/blending functions for materials, as well as tile and LOD modes.

 

[luigiman1928]

So your saying we are close also to Texture animations? DO WANT.

 

[Kryal]

So your saying we are close also to Texture animations? DO WANT.

Haha, no different thing entirely. Material shader commands.

 

[luigiman1928]

OH Material Shading Commands... What tells what to Shade what at What time....... DO ALSO WANT

 

[RandomTBush]

Haha, no different thing entirely. Material shader commands.

Ah, material shaders? Those must be what renders other games' models in Brawl differently (Tatsunoko vs. Capcom's models are bright, Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games's models are dark, etc.), right? I've done a few experiments with those when I was figuring out the differences between Brawl and non-Brawl MDL0s. Of course, I don't know what the values for the material shaders mean. :V

 

[...:::VILE:::...]

Aren't material shaders the commands within a material? Its like having a reflective texture, a bump map, a regular texture, you know that shiz. This would be REALLY helpful, i have been looking into it recently (specifically for bump maps), but brawl doesn't have any, so i haven't been able to do as much with it as i intended.

 

[GamerRob1]

Hey, I'm looking for somebody who is familier with Brawlbox, and can make me Animations. But before saying "Why not take the time to do it yourself?", I would like to say that I am a Machinima Maker. I work hard on my Machinima so that it is successful which is why I am making this post! Making Machinima and doing all of these things is very much time consuming ESPECIALLY making animations, but I honestly can't take the time to be pro at making Animations. But I will take anybody! But I want my machinima to be better with custom animations for particular scenes.

My video's are professional enough that i gain 10 subscribers a day on Youtube, here is my Youtube Channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/GamerRob1

If ANYBODY is willing to join my Machinima Making Cast and be my Animation Editor for Brawl, it would be much appreciated, and i would make sure you are credited and recognized, if YOU LIKE.

Send me a PM on Youtube, or contact me through MSN. (GamerRob1@hotmail.com) So somebody please step forward, and help a Machinima Maker out.



Thanks
GamerRob1

Anybody? I really need assistance on my project with making animations.

 

[Mackorony101]

Ok. I have a problem with my model. The animations mess up all the bones. Here is what a normal model should look like...

The model is fine when it is not on an animation but once it goes to that animation everything gets all scrunched up...

Does anybody know of a way to fix this without changing the actual animations?

 

[Slashy]

Kryal, when will we get version 1.0? I'm just curious.

 

[n64billy]

So your saying we are close also to Texture animations? DO WANT.

I've been digging through texture animations.....

 

[E-Jolteon]

Ok. I have a problem with my model. The animations mess up all the bones. Here is what a normal model should look like...

The model is fine when it is not on an animation but once it goes to that animation everything gets all scrunched up...

Does anybody know of a way to fix this without changing the actual animations?

The model doesn't even look relatively the same... I have the exact same model open and animating in Brawlbox, and it looks absolutely perfect. What are you doing over there?

 

[alexjol]

Ok. I have a problem with my model. The animations mess up all the bones. Here is what a normal model should look like...

The model is fine when it is not on an animation but once it goes to that animation everything gets all scrunched up...

Does anybody know of a way to fix this without changing the actual animations?

Maybe it's not the right animation for the right model.

 

[pikazz]

Node indices are used by the action script, separate from the model itself. With the model builder, a person could add/remove bones to match the scripts and even use 'dummy' bones for that purpose. Support for action scripts will come later, which will allow you to change the node tracking using a scripting language.

Import export formats will be .obj for polygons, .dae for whole models/scenes.

yeay!
but I have a n00b question, what is a "dummy" bone? it is like a bone but suppose to do nothing but count as a bone?

 

[Kryal]

Kryal, when will we get version 1.0? I'm just curious.

When EVERYTHING is done, which means BBox will be able to open/edit/convert every data format in Brawl.

yeay!
but I have a n00b question, what is a "dummy" bone? it is like a bone but suppose to do nothing but count as a bone?

Yup. All it would do is take up a bone/node slot so the scripts will track properly.

 

[shock44]

I have a question for you Kryal. When you get the model importing working, how will rigging work? Will we have to rig our model in a separate program like 3ds max and export as a .DAE? Or will we be able to rig it in BrawlBox itself? Or will BrawlBox be able to just rig the model for us if we tell it enough information?

 

[pikazz]

Yup. All it would do is take up a bone/node slot so the scripts will track properly.

can I keep add dummy bones on one character what has 23 bones until he has 38 so he works to replace with olimar/ice climbers or had I wrong?