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[kupo15]

Hell must be freezing over because I actually agree with Kupo..


0-100 - Regular with footstooling

110-200 - No footstooling at all (hopefully)


Sounds really good actually.

LOL. Yea...can't believe it.

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

*cough*

10ironies

he said the second quote first *******. way to try and make people look dumb by moving their quotes around in non-chronological order. that was completely unnecessary.

and falcon can't footstool > knee unless his footstool height was shortened from vbrawl.

jeez and someone also said footstool being shown in the dojo as strategy? lol

I like wingflier. his comebacks are becoming BEAST(he learns from me, now it was ironic how he said something like you need manners then attacked). LMAO
but yea.. like I said earlier id prefer if there was no footstooling but whether it stays or goes I really don't mind. even if someone says "oh its melee 2.0 now" they are just wrong in so many ways. footstooling doesn't expand on the game unless used strategically(like magus stated) but even then, of all doubles tournaments I've seen and attended, I never saw footstooling your partner used as a tactic. if you feel that the players weren't "pro" enough, m2k, inui, bum, ninjalink, adhd, and many other good players were at the tournament. the only tactic I see from footstools (in brawl+) is donkey kongs footstool > forwardb. even without footstools b+ would be just as good anyway. if they are left in id like to see them harder to execute so it actually took some skill to do them. now that's depth (seriously using the word in context and not joking)

 

[jokey665]

of all doubles tournaments I've seen and attended, I never saw footstooling your partner used as a tactic.

Me & my partners regularly footstool each other after being knocked back by an attack that would have killed to get rid of the knockback. Saves stocks, yo.

 

[FrozenHobo]

if they are left in id like to see them harder to execute so it actually took some skill to do them. now that's depth (seriously using the word in context and not joking)

have you not been reading the topic? thats what we're ****ing talking about with the 210-300 buffer. it makes so you have to PRESS A BUTTON TO FOOTSTOOL. not random. its essentially giving you want you want: a requirement of skill to use them.




also, i'd like to re-bring up the idea of letting the ICs footstool each other.

 

[timothyung]

If they can footstool each other, you must use a separate button for footstool or Nana can never double jump. The idea seems to be OK, but we must think carefully. Footstool isn't that fast, so it won't be broken if Popo can footstool Nana to chase opponents. Not broken for recovery either, because Nana will be sent to her doom. But do they really need this "Buff"? Balancing is the most important thing for now, will the match-ups drastically change with the new change? Think more before we decide to make the code.

 

[CountKaiser]

What the **** is so wrong with binding the footstool option to the taunt command? You can bind it to whatever button you find feasible, and if you don't want to use it, you wouldn't have to.

Simple, right? What's the opposition to this?

 

[Wingflier]

Wingflier, leaf wouldn't have said that if you made valid points, good arguments, logical reasoning, or provided evidence that supported your claims. In other words, he was pretty justified in saying that.

That's your opinion. I did provide valid arguments and good points. The point I was arguing was that sonic or fox will never get a reliable meteor smash that can kill because it would be too powerful; which is true. The topic was originally brought up by skip2maloo who asked which characters had meteor smashes in B+, and another poster who asked if sonic or fox would ever get one.

Either way, whether or not you disagree with somebody, it does not warrant telling them to "shut up". Especially over an internet forum, and when I had not done anything wrong but bring up my own opinions.

I don't feel bad about what I said, sorry.

Wing

 

[TLMSheikant]

And this is why I quit brawl+. :/ Stupid discussions and ppl requesting dumb stuff like taking out footstools. >_> *leaves once again*

 

[kupo15]

What the **** is so wrong with binding the footstool option to the taunt command? You can bind it to whatever button you find feasible, and if you don't want to use it, you wouldn't have to.

Simple, right? What's the opposition to this?

There shouldn't be any opposition. Everyone wins

 

[timothyung]

What the **** is so wrong with binding the footstool option to the taunt command? You can bind it to whatever button you find feasible, and if you don't want to use it, you wouldn't have to.

Simple, right? What's the opposition to this?

IMO using taunts is a better solution, setting the buffer every match is stupid. You just go to control and edit a bit

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

have you not been reading the topic? thats what we're ****ing talking about with the 210-300 buffer. it makes so you have to PRESS A BUTTON TO FOOTSTOOL. not random. its essentially giving you want you want: a requirement of skill to use...

blah blah blah, how is restating my point to reinforce the idea not listening? its not like I said "I have this new idea" I said "I'd like to see". Either read thoroughly or go jerk off to kung-fu panda.

 

[Arkaether]

go jerk off to kung-fu panda.

...wait, what?

 

[FrozenHobo]

blah blah blah, how is restating my point to reinforce the idea not listening? its not like I said "I have this new idea" I said "I'd like to see". Either read thoroughly or go jerk off to kung-fu panda.

you don't have a new idea, you're ignoring the ideas that have already been discussed.


and wtf?

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

you read right.
edit: @ arkaether you read right
@frozenpopo read again.. I didn't say it was a new idea ever..

 

[FrozenHobo]

and you read too, i didn't say anything about you having a new idea. i said you're ignoring the ideas we've already come up with.

If they can footstool each other, you must use a separate button for footstool or Nana can never double jump. The idea seems to be OK, but we must think carefully. Footstool isn't that fast, so it won't be broken if Popo can footstool Nana to chase opponents. Not broken for recovery either, because Nana will be sent to her doom. But do they really need this "Buff"? Balancing is the most important thing for now, will the match-ups drastically change with the new change? Think more before we decide to make the code.

while this is true, with the option to set footstooling to a taunt button then the recovery problem becomes null. as far as adding to gameplay it would allow more controlled movement of the character as well as compensate for the loss of CGs by giving them a better desync game.

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

im not ignoring them, my god

you don't have a new idea, you're ignoring the ideas that have already been discussed.


and wtf?

and now you say you didn't say that? like I said, im restating what's been said to reinforce the idea as a whole. its called repetition. poets use it, writers use it, rappers use it, musicians use it, even public speakers.
Obama - Yes we can
the beatles - you're gonna lose that girl
tupac - all eyes on me
me - what I've been saying to reinforce the idea as a whole. maybe if you came at me nicely(if you read what I typed though you wouldn't of said anything) this could have been avoided.

your the only person in which when I had a problem I personally left a comment on your page but I guess you wanted to prove something by posting it here in the thread.

 

[FrozenHobo]

your the only person in which when I had a problem I personally left a comment on your page.

oh, that was you?

anyway, i read your other post and as i was going through it the last part confused me. we've been talking about making footstools automatic and then you complain about how you think they should be harder to do after we've been discussing that very thing for.... what is it now, 10 pages? more? i keep seeing people post complaints about footstool that have already been brought up/dealt with. seeing them be brought up again is reparative and hindering to the topic as a whole.

 

[metaXzero]

And this is why I quit brawl+. :/ Stupid discussions and ppl requesting dumb stuff like taking out footstools. >_> *leaves once again*

If you're not going to read and figure out that we have a solutionto this that DOESN'T remove footstools, then well....who needs ya?

Anyway guys, what's with this anger over the last few pages?

 

[FrozenHobo]

i'm just a generally angry person (probably the Jersey side of my family coming through).

 

[weinzey]

dont wanna insult anyone here, but this is getting really personal and spammy... we should get almas

 

[SymphonicSage12]

and where do "angry" people usually end up?


looks both ways


BTW the idea has already been done with. It's been decided to at 0-100 handicap you can foostool, but at 110+ handicap you can't. >.>

 

[kupo15]

button mapping would be ideal though

 

[Raoh]

I don't know why this is such a heated argument.

Map it to one of the taunt buttons in a nightly build and if it turns out to not be a good idea then scrap it.

Like Ivysaur's multiple Up B's (why was that taken out again)?

 

[Magus420]

Not everyone has a free button available to give up for it =/

 

[Raoh]

Well any idea that alienates a style of play is more than likely going to be a bad one.

 

[timothyung]

Not everyone has a free button available to give up for it =/

So I suggest keeping Jump as Jump/Footstool, while taunts are footstool only and jump only. Everyone wins

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

So I suggest keeping Jump as Jump/Footstool, while taunts are footstool only and jump only. Everyone wins

Not everyone.

 

[ChronoPenguin]

Nobody cares, this is a stupid argument in the first place we shouldn't be having.
We came to an agreement (well for the most part) on the buffer idea.
Yet there are STILL people talking about this for what?
So we can forever stay on a controversial topic?
Move on NAO.

 

[FrozenHobo]

Nobody cares, this is a stupid argument in the first place we shouldn't be having.
We came to an agreement (well for the most part) on the buffer idea.
Yet there are STILL people talking about this for what?
So we can forever stay on a controversial topic?
Move on NAO.

agreed. next topic: IC footstools.

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

agreed. next topic: IC footstools.

FootstoolzsFootstoolzsIcelimbersFootstoolzsFootstoolzs

Yeah. No.

 

[FrozenHobo]

FootstoolzsFootstoolzsIcelimbersFootstoolzsFootstoolzs

Yeah. No.

footystooling each other, smart ***.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

yeah. all my buttons are un-free. l button-never use, never will, just doesn't feel right to me. r button-shield.
z button-attack, to help with boost smashing, joy stick to move, y button to jump, x to grab (not shieldgrab), b button specials, c stick smashes, a button attack, d pad taunting (NO removing taunts), ...yeah.

 

[ChronoPenguin]

What is the benefit of IC's footstooling each other?

 

[Arkaether]

Being able to sacrifice Nana to get Popo to jump really really high.

 

[FrozenHobo]

What is the benefit of IC's footstooling each other?

setup for approaches/combos.

nana footstool -> rising blizzard/ice block/fair spike

popo footstool -> blizzard/ice block -> nana dash attack/blizzard

miss ledge w/ bellay -> footstool nana to recovery.

lets them work together as a team and gives more control to the character as a whole. and with the buffer idea there wouldn't be any off-stage mishaps (though if there were it would epicly funny)

 

[Skip2MaLoo]

Not everyone has a free button available to give up for it =/

what i originally said: what about aerial taunt?
edit: ignore this phone lost service and the post came late
eh.. im just gonna go back to playing basketball lmao

 

[FrozenHobo]

what about aerial taunt?

this. the idea most people aren't understanding its that on the ground it would be a regular taunt, but in the air it would be a footstool. you aren't loosing any buttons.

 

[stingers]

It's still in an awkward position...it's fine how it is now.

 

[Magus420]

You are when you have to switch that taunt/aerial footstool to a button that isn't in an awkward as hell location.

 

[timothyung]

What is the benefit of IC's footstooling each other?

Before:

After: