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Go ahead. I might have missed a few things and could have explained some things better - I was a bit absentminded while writing it, so I might try to improve it at some point. For instance, I didn't work enough on the aspect of how a casual anti-Melee player probably views that game's balance. Most of their views are probably largely influenced by cultural osmosis and stuff like combo videos (Shined Blind, what hast thou done!), and they fail to look at the big picture - all these amazing combos are only possible at an amazingly high level of skill. Casual players don't have to worry about this level of skill in the first place, because why should they challenge someone at that level? And as soon as someone is playing lesser-tiered characters at the same level as the amazing Fox, they should also be well capable of DIing and teching out of the combos, so they still shouldn't be instant kills.
Oh, I think you misunderstood me. I didn't claim that you can't change anyone's opinion... but you can't change anyone's opinion if you only have an opinion of your own to counter it with.
And I liked your breakdown of Fawriel's comparison : 3
I think it has to do with character weight. Snake is quite
Fawriel, can I give you a cookie for such a great post?
No just a cookie, but a box.
A bit of advice - while I personally think that all the current tier lists and character matchup charts are useless, there is a reason everyone complains about Metaknight and Snake. I can tell you right now that Metaknight, Snake, and Mr. Game and Watch are great characters, and Dedede, Lucario, Wario, Olimar, Falco, Marth, and R.O.B. are good characters (along with a few others I may have missed). I'm not sure you will really need a tier list once you get a basic understanding of the character's relative usage, so while a tier list is useful for highlighting good, lesser-known characters (Toon Link, Pikachu, and DK), it is not really necesary if your objective is simply to pick a good main.
Its not so much to do with weight as the engine. Snake can make more mistakes because you pretty much have to Wall or Cieling KO him to take a stock. Also, even another Snake who capitalizes on a Mistake-Making-Snake only gets say his 16% in before the positions are reset and both Snakes are trying to get the best of each other again. No combos, no edgeguards.
How about logic?
I can barrage people with plenty of arguments to prove to them that what they base their opinions on are false/lies/misinterpretations/faulty, etc.
This sentence makes little sense. And if my interpretation of it is correct, well, *snicker snicker*.
Because there are so many... less intelligent/knowledgeable people jumping into the thread with absolutely no grasp on what balance istalking out of their behinds.
I hate this sentiment with a fervor. Has anyone in this thread played any game other than a Smash game Competitively? Or know of someone who does? Or just knows the scene (somehow)?
Look no further than Chipp Zanuff (well, keep looking anyway, but Chipp is pretty fun)
1) Yuna doesn't know the Smashers and hasn't played them. Therfore, to him, they're 'no name players.'
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www.DustLoop.com is a good place to start, as has already been pointed out to you. GG is one of the big heavyweights when it comes to depth. GG is also largely based on Yomi (which is also depth), but it's just too much Yomi for my tastes. But that's just personal preference.
Don't answer for other people, especially since you're not even knowledgeable enough to qualify for pariticipating in this thread. What makes you think you know enough to speak on my behalf?
I said Vegas has no good Smashers when? Quotes or it didn't happen?
I specifically said "If Tudor is owning people as Samus...". If you're destroying the Vegas scene, owning tons of Vegas players, then those players just aren't very good. Because they have to be bad if you're owning them. If you're just winning by a small margin or placing "pretty high" as Samus, then the player who originally mentioned you has no leg to stand on.
In other words, further proof of that the guy/guys who originally posted about you and your Samus has no idea of what they're talking about, distorting facts/misremembering things.
Then they're just bad against Samus (which is also a part of being a bad player, a good player must be able to handle all matchups. If you're not knowledgeable in certain matchups, then you're not very good, now are? All I have to do, after all, is to be at least nominally good as a character you have no experience against and I'll win). Armada is one of Sweden's and Europe's very best players and he consistently places in the top, beating me by a lot. Yet he does far worse against Jigglypuff than I do. And we both play Peach.
Interesting...
Reguardless of whether or not you said is true, could you go into a little more depth? I don't think this post proves anything, and gets no more specific than "look at these characters."
I have always been confused by the term "work really hard." Is the character bad or good? Does the character have much potential or not? "Work really hard" can either mean that the character has a lot of potential to be good, or it can mean that the character isn't very good at all, and that is a gentle way of saying "this character is bad."
I main Sakuya, you?
hmm........ yes it can be interpereted as a nice way of saying (insert character name) is bad. i think what i was trying to say is its a brain wracker depening on what character your using vs who your fighting. things like spacing, shielding, not getting grabbed, infinites, combos, recovery, offense, damage, how many mistakes you have till your screwed......
