Brawl Information Compendium & Social

[Scabe]

DI - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=221969
Powershielding - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=273118
Reading your opponent/Habits to look out for - none that I know of

Wow thanks.

Anyone know of a good way to practice teching? Is there any threads out there that help with that?

 

[Kitamerby]

Set a bob-omb on the ledge

Up B into it. :x


Or just go offstage with a bomb.

That's how I learned it, anyways.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Make a stage in stage builder with a bunch of spikes. Practice teching the ceiling, walls and floors/spikes.

 

[Kitamerby]

I don't think spikes are the best way to go. Spikes have set knockback, very low set knockback, so a bomb would be better to emulate an attack like a sweetspotted bair offstage...

 

[BSP]

Does rolling trigger invincibility on frame 1, or does it take more frames for roll invincibility to start?

 

[da K.I.D.]

as far as i remember, a roll from a seccessful tech starts on frame 1.

from a nuetral position, different characters have different frame rates on their back and forward roll i think.

I know back wards rolling gives you invincibility on frame one, but I think forward rolling doesnt give it until like frame 3 or something, same for spotdodging.

 

[Kitamerby]

That was a myth brought up in early 08 that was caused by just plain bad testing.

Techrolls usually have the same data forwards and backwards, although the animation is generally different for both ways. Invincibility for everyone's tech rolls as far as I can remember start on frame 1.


Oh, for regular rolls? No. Almost everyone's rolls have invincibility starting on frame 4.


You can find the specifics here.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=225510

 

[Kofu]

Anyone know of a good way to practice teching? Is there any threads out there that help with that?

Play Duelist Pro, either by yourself or with others.

 

[Scabe]

Wow thanks.

Anyone know of a good way to practice teching? Is there any threads out there that help with that?

I thought this was an interesting way to practice teching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_9G2yhjpcc

1:07-1:38

 

[Sharky]

just play duelist lol

 

[Scabe]

What are some things to look out for when your reading your opponent?

e.g.
Like how they land
What they do after shielding

 

[da K.I.D.]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10505779&postcount=2026

 

[Laem]

about techrolls, im pretty sure i got hit by a ZSS dsmash (after getting upB'd) at like 1/3rd of the distance rolled(which is gay and broken)
is this even possible according to whoevers frame data?

 

[Lord Chair]

about techrolls, im pretty sure i got hit by a ZSS dsmash (after getting upB'd) at like 1/3rd of the distance rolled(which is gay and broken)
is this even possible according to whoevers frame data?

Ground Techroll
Invincibility: 1-20
Ends: 40

That, for example, is the data on Yoshi's techroll. Techrolls are kinda awful in terms of invincibility.

Lol I couldn't find the data for any other character (I quit looking after having checked like, half the roster).

 

[Loota]

I have a really, really important question which may change the whole metagame upside down...!

What does Snake shout when he makes the C4 explode? I don't know about anyone else but it sounds like "merde" for me which means sh*t in French :D

 

[da K.I.D.]

in english, he says, "Now!"

 

[Dark 3nergy]

Wow thanks.

Anyone know of a good way to practice teching? Is there any threads out there that help with that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTnXpwtI2JI [jump to 6:02]

bumpers, turn them on high. Mess around with a cpu, run into the bumper when you reach different % and DI and tech onto the stage. Thanks to the bumper being stationary after you place it you can repeat doing this several times.

for pshielding

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNXACy-cCSc

i do it alot in dis vid, simply hit shield before the hitbox hits your characters body. If done correctly you'll receive no knockback while in shield and the character will remain stationary. I also tech alot in dis vid. Again just airdodge just before hitting the ground and you can either; 1. tech in place, 2. roll tech left[input left on analog after you start teching], 3. roll tech right[input right on analog after you start teching]. In dis vid i also choose not to tech once....and mind gamed my opponent into approaching me. I've also not tech'ed and my opponent, approached, then tried to followup with a jab lock, but i did my get up attack and hit him instead using IF to stop him from locking me.

So switching it up is essential

What are some things to look out for when your reading your opponent?

e.g.
Like how they land
What they do after shielding

these things are very character dependent. What character in question do you have in mind, in regards to how 2 read your opponent

 

[uhmuzing]

How many frames of lag do I suffer whenever I simply land from a jump?

 

[da K.I.D.]

2-3 when you fall normally, like 5 if its a fast fall

i think

 

[Loota]

in english, he says, "Now!"

It doesn't sound like that at all to me I doubt there's any differences between the voice acting between NTSC- and PAL-versions so I'm probably just hearing whatever I want.

 

[Luxor]

Has anyone ever tried charging a smash so that you can escape MK's nado when it hits you? I tested it out in training mode and it seems like it could have potential for some characters. I'd love to see Snake Fsmashing MK with that lol.

 

[deepseadiva]

Usually if a character had the time to pull out an fsmash against the tornado they would just break the tornado outright.

 

[Luxor]

True, but it could still be useful if the "smash charge" state begins frame one or near it. If it doesn't begin until the hitbox would normally be out, charging a smash wouldn't do much.

Does anybody have any quantitative data on this? I'm pretty curious now.

 

[Kitamerby]

No smash charge in the game begins on frame 1 because of the way smash attacks are scripted.* A few begin on frame 2, notably MK's dsmash and I think Sheik's dsmash.

* smash attacks are scripted in 3 parts: The startup, the charging animation, and then the actual attack and cooldown. Since the startup cannot be skipped, every smash has to have at least one extra frame before the charging animation.

 

[da K.I.D.]

do you have to be charging the smash or just getting hit while youre using a smash attack?

 

[Kitamerby]

do you have to be charging the smash or just getting hit while youre using a smash attack?

It's only while doing the actual charging as I recall.

 

[Luxor]

When I was testing trying it out it seemed like it worked while the hitbox was out.
Nice to know that you don't have to wait until the hitbox would normally come out for the smash charge state to begin, though. Almost like a proof of concept. Where did you get that data anyway?

 

[deepseadiva]

Do characters have different amounts of ledge invincibility?

 

[Kitamerby]

No, everyone but pikachu and tethers has 46 frames.

However, everyone gets exactly 20 frames of extra invincibility from the soonest possible frame they can ledgedrop.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Its not 'extra' invincibility, persay, its just letting go of the ledge 20 frames before the normal 46 frames runs out.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

what's a good way to practice smash DI ?

 

[da K.I.D.]

getting out of the star fox bomb explosions, and the halberd laser.

 

[Laem]

Pushing some1 off a platform with an attack can result in epic ****

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrbCoY79mnM#t=0m07s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-yNiG0_G4#t=0m42s

note, pushing a shielding opponent is more common (1st link no shielding)

When however, can you just interrupt the fall with an attack(/airdodge?) and when do you get *****?
always? it sure doesn't appear to be that way.

 

[-LzR-]

I think some characters are unable to interrupt the fall.

 

[teluoborg]

I think someone made some testings a long time ago, and it appeared it was related to fall speed (like fastfallers are more likely to get pwned). Not sure if the testing was done correctly though, and I personnally think everyone can escape it by spamming jump.

what's a good way to practice smash DI ?

1-smartbombs in training mode
2-Pika/Rob's Dsmash
3-Fox/Sheik's tilt lock
4-Falco's GC2spike.

Then you're ok.

 

[uhmuzing]

Can you be grabbed out of a move that has invincible start-up?

 

[da K.I.D.]

I just noticed something about the being pushed off a platform thing.

when I play sans ike I sometimes try to do this, and push him off a platform. usually when I do this he instantly back airs me.

I think that if you get pushed off a platform and your FACING the end of the platform you were on, you can react instantly, but if your back is to the edge and you get pushed off, it puts you in some kind of weird rapeable hitstun.

Kind of like in real life, if you trip facing forward you see where you are going and can thus regain your balence, but if you fall backwards into a gap, youre more likely for injury because you cant really react to falling backwards, if that makes sence.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

Can you be grabbed out of a move that has invincible start-up?

no you cannot thats what makes marths upb and MKs grounded SL scary

 

[silentboxer1989]

thankies. ^_^

 

[deepseadiva]

What EXACTLY does Lucario gain from Aura in the higher percents?

His attacks do more knockback? Damage? They have more range?

All of the above?