Brawl Information Compendium & Social

[rPSIvysaur]

It will not refresh his move if he whiffs.

The "windbox" is actually just a "no damage, no flinch hitbox", so it is treated in the stale queue as a hitbox.

 

[da K.I.D.]

is there a video or picture out there showing the full hitbox of game and watches up air? windbox included?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhjqoPq8_vI&t=5m10s

 

[-LzR-]

It's so damn huge.

 

[teluoborg]

That's

Spoiler

what she said

basically why you want to abuse its range to refresh your whole moveset everytime you get your opponent in the air.

 

[-LzR-]

And uair the balloon is SV if you have time. It won't even break.

 

[fox67890]

Question from me.

Does anyone know the control input difference between a platform cancel--> instant dropthrough and a
platform cancel--> spotdodge?

 

[C.J.]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=323822

 

[Pikabunz]

Inputting down and shield on the same frame does pc>spotdodge and inputting shield 1-2 frames after down does pc>platform drop.

 

[fox67890]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=323822

I checked there, but that thread didn't say what the input for the spot-dodge option was :x

Inputting down and shield on the same frame does pc>spotdodge and inputting shield 1-2 frames after down does pc>platform drop.

Ohhh. I see. The timing sounds kinda strict :\
Oh well, gonna have to master that...
Thanks~

 

[Luigisama]

the shield in the brawl from my understanding according to a smash64 thread the shield has HP.

how could I tell the shield damage for a move? would it be shield stun? I'm looking into researching in luigi's up b and shield poking.

 

[Pikabunz]

A move's damage = shield damage.

 

[Luigisama]

A move's damage = shield damage.

ok then thanks.

So how much HP does shield have? 100 hp/%?

 

[Pikabunz]

Full shield = 177 frames
1% damage = -2.5 frames shield health

or

Full shield = 70.8%
Loses 0.4% per frame

 

[Luigisama]

Full shield = 177 frames
1% damage = -2.5 frames shield health

or

Full shield = 70.8%
Loses 0.4% per frame

hmm ok then thanks again.

 

[teluoborg]

Don't forget that some attacks (Jiggs' side B, DK's side B, Marth's B....) have a shield damage bonus.

 

[Myollnir]

I didn't know that, thanks.

I've got a few questions though :

Is it the same for every character?

And how many time does a shield need to be full again when it's like really small?

 

[teluoborg]

There was a very complete post about that on michael Hey's blog on aib, but it got deleted :I

What you should know is when you drop your shield there is a delay before it starts regenerating.

 

[Jiom]

How useful is crouch canceling in brawl?

Will fast falling ever make you die sooner?

Sorry if these questions have been answered I looked through all the posts in this thread and didn't find it.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

How useful is crouch canceling in brawl?

Will fast falling ever make you die sooner?

Sorry if these questions have been answered I looked through all the posts in this thread and didn't find it.

As far as I know, it only reduces the hitlag of both the attacker and the character being attacked incur 33% less hitlag, which sounds useless to me outside of throwing off strict timings. People think it's helpful, but the "helpful" part is just being closer to the ground after a hit (due to DI'ing down), allowing the opponent to shield earlier after their getting hit by, say, a Jab.

Fastfalling "lowers" the angle you're sent, which can definitely be a bad thing. Say you're sent out at a 30-degree angle...Fastfalling might make it closer to 0 degrees, which is worse for living.

Basically, it's usually a bad thing if you're already in danger of dying to one of the side blast zones.

 

[Tesh]

It also reduces the stun from ZSS too right? Because its some kind of hitlag?

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It also reduces the stun from ZSS too right? Because its some kind of hitlag?

Hey, I guess that makes sense, yeah. I didn't think about that.

That's cool--You reduce the time Zamus has to follow up on her D-Smash.

I can't confirm that fact, but, it makes sense to me.

 

[Jiom]

Thank you for answering from what I tested so far, crouch canceling is basically non existent in brawl.

 

[Paroxium]

Doesn't "double b momentum reversal" have the same effect as b-sticking?

 

[Blissard]

Thank you for answering from what I tested so far, crouch canceling is basically non existent in brawl.

I remember awhile back, Fino discovered that Olimar could crouch-cancel Falco's first jab to powershield the second and follow up with usmash. I've never tried it myself though.

I was also playing around with crouch canceling when that Metagame Minute video about it first came out, and found out that Jigglypuff can crouch cancel Falco's first jab and rest before his second jab came out. Yay Puff.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It's not crouch-canceling the Jab. It's putting yourself lower to the ground so that you can shield earlier instead of having to fall to the ground.

 

[Blad01]

So, general question : I have been away from the game since summer 2009 (Super Lion 4 was my last tournament). What has changed since then ? :D

MK still overused ? Ally still the best Snake ? etc.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

holy crap I saw Blad post and I was like waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[TheReflexWonder]

So, general question : I have been away from the game since summer 2009 (Super Lion 4 was my last tournament). What has changed since then ? :D

MK still overused ? Ally still the best Snake ? etc.

Well, Meta Knight is the best character, so, it's hard to say what counts as "overused," I guess. Some areas have opted to ban the character outright.

Ally plays a bunch of different characters. We have a slew of new top players around.

 

[da K.I.D.]

Vinnie just got finished getting 2nd place at a worldwide tournament in Japan yesterday, M2k got like 7th at said event.

 

[teluoborg]

Look who's back !
Go there Blad, everyone will explain everything to you : http://stormarmada.xooit.com/index.php

 

[infiniteV115]

Yes, crouch cancelling reduces the stun (hitlag) for ZSS' dsmash (not sure about lasers, cause I'm fairly certain they have fixed stun)
It's not hitstun, it is hitlag, though ZSS doesn't suffer from hitlag when she lands dsmash regardless (it's a projectile) so you DO pop out quicker, whereas with other crouch-cancelled moves both the attacker and the target receive less hitlag than non-crouch-cancelled moves but they will always receive the same amount of hitlag.

I know this because it has happened to me and it threw off my timing, but I knew what happened because I've seen this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GuV42hx1hA

 

[SShane]

anyone have any tips on playing olimar against yoshi

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

Run off the stage and kill yourself 3 times. Nobody likes Olimar.

 

[Tesh]

Watch out for the Egg Lay Massacre.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

If you want character specific advice, you should ask in the Olimar forums. You should either try posting in the social thread about the topic or the match-up thread

 

[infiniteV115]

So I was ****ing around in training mode and I discovered that if you land with an airdodge, and then exactly when you land you do the following

Hold forward/diagonally down + forward on analog stick, and while doing this you press up on the C-stick

Then you'll dash ASAP assuming you timed it right. If you press up on the C-stick too late you usmash, if you press it too early...I forget, I think you just crawl forward (or crouch if you can't crawl) if you're holding down+forward, and then walk if you're only holding forward.

(This also happens to be the exact same input to do a platform cancel --> immediate dash, though you have to be holding down+forward)

Why does this happen? What happens to the A input from the C-stick? I remember reading somewhere that if you've airdodged, you receive a landing lag of 2 frames assuming you don't have RCO/do some laggy aerial upon landing. Is it that doing these inputs during these 2 frames causes you to buffer a dash forwards?

Also, is it possible to grab while holding an item (regular grab, not a command grab lol)? If you're holding A, and you run and press shield, you do a dash grab, but I tried doing it while holding an item and I did a running shield instead.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Here's probably what's going on:
When you hit forward/diagonally down you end up inputting a forward input with a slight down input. Normally this would just make you crawl/walk (depending on direction). When when you hit c-stick up during the landing frames, you're basically inputting up on the controller because the c-stick will override the direction held. Because you're landing the attack part never gets "activated" to say. So then after that one frame you go back to holding forward. What this looks like to the game is: "Forward/Down - Up - Forward" which is the input to buffer a dash (because you need to interrupt the first forward input because that will just make you walk)

To my knowledge, there is no way to grab while holding an item.

 

[Paroxium]

Is there a way to buffer tilts? Ive found a way to buffer u-tilts (reg U- tilt or using both the analog stick and c-stick) D-tilt makes you crouch, because I believe pressing down after an input cancels the buffer, although im sometimes able to do if I do the same tactic of a buffered dash, except replacing forward on analog stick to down on the analog stick, but it's pretty inconsistent. And f-tilt I've had no luck with, b/c like a normal command, right on the analog stick and right on the c-stick just f-smashes. Is there a different way?

 

[-LzR-]

Pressing the stick forward or back, releasing it and then pressing A after it's back to neutral and then releasing it again, all in the 10 frame buffer window should do an Ftilt. A good way to test it is to play MK and if you do it correctly, he will do the first 2 almost simultaneously.