Bowser, Grab release thread [Flayl is a boss]

[Flayl]

You have to dash a bit before jumping and performing the aerial.

 

[Dementophobic]

Who are you doing it on?

It was a general question, but I had in mind Meta, GnW, and ROB.

You have to dash a bit before jumping and performing the aerial.

Alright, I'll do that, thanks.

 

[Flayl]

Here's an easy to refer to post when discussing the efficiency of chaingrabbing in matchups:

Cannot be chaingrabbed:
Ice Climbers


Can only be Air Released chaingrabbed:
Donkey Kong


Can be chaingrabbed both ways:
Bowser
Captain Falcon
Charizard
Diddy Kong
Falco
Ganondorf
Ike
King Dedede
Link
Lucas
Meta Knight
Pikachu
Sheik
Snake
Squirtle
Wario


Ground Release Chaingrab:

Standing chain grab:
Charizard
Ivysaur
Wario

Small step chaingrab:
Bowser
Falco
Fox
Ganondorf
Link
Lucario
Lucas
Mario
Meta Knight
Ness
Olimar
Popo/Nana
R.O.B.
Sheik
Toon Link
Wolf

Note: Some of the people that can be small step chaingrabbed can, if you're lucky, be standing chain grabbed. It's not reliable though.

"Easy" Dash chaingrab:
Diddy Kong
Jigglypuff
King Dedede
Kirby
Luigi
Marth
Mr. G&W
Peach
Pikachu
Samus
Snake
Sonic
Squirtle
ZSSamus
Zelda

Note: The characters that you can hit with DownB can be walking chaingrabbed if they are slow to react. Easy is in quotations because it's still harder to chaingrab characters that would normally air release.

Hard Dash chaingrab:
Captain Falcon
Ike
Pit
Yoshi

Note: Consider DThrow or releasing into FTilt if you haven't mastered these. Yoshi can't be hit by FTilt.


Don't get grabbed:
Bowser
Falco
Ganondorf
Link
Lucas
Meta Knight
Pokémon Trainer
Sheik
Wario

Note: Anybody in this list should be considered an advantage by default unless they have proven to be capable of avoiding being grabbed (see Meta Knight)

 

[B!squick]

Thanks Flayl. Grab release regrabs are really the most important thing. If that doesn't work then naturally move on to Jab and Jab Cancels.

 

[Flayl]

Just found out the hard way you can't air release chain grab Sonic.

 

[B!squick]

I didn't think so, lol.

 

[HammerBro123]

i want the grab release to ****

 

[HammerBro123]

hahahahahahah

 

[B!squick]

You can. It's called Grab Release -> Jab Cancelled Bowser Bomb.

 

[Luxuti]

Is it true that if a character inputs up while being grab released from a pummel, it will output an air release?

 

[Flayl]

Is it true that if a character inputs up while being grab released from a pummel, it will output an air release?

No, during a pummel a character will ALWAYS ground release. In the intervals in between a pummel, he will air release if he is holding up.

I think he will also air release while not being pummeled if he is mashing jump.

 

[Luxuti]

No, during a pummel a character will ALWAYS ground release. In the intervals in between a pummel, he will air release if he is holding up.

I think he will also air release while not being pummeled if he is mashing jump.

Thanks. :D

 

[Flayl]

Here's a better demonstration of the ground release pivot chain grab thanks to KingKong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeOvN3LtlKI

It's processing as I type this.

 

[KingKong_ad]

Ill continue to work and perfect it, I think there is more charachter that can be pivot CG but they are harder. Ill test with every character.

 

[Hobobloke]

Video is sexy, really need to practice pivot grabbing.

 

[choknater]

wow O_o true pivot cg

thatl ooks hard

 

[PokemonMasterIRL]

An infinite on MK?

^___^

 

[Flayl]

The artist formerly known as Spadefox put this CG in the tactical discussion (which ended up in a heated discussion and got locked) and people still don't know this? Bowser's pummel is too slow to force MK to ground release all the time.

 

[B!squick]

An infinite under the right conditions is still an infinite.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

An infinite under the right conditions is still an infinite.

No

An infinite is only an infinite if it actually works forever.

 

[KingKong_ad]

I dont think its an infinite too, I consider it a way to deal more damage on my opponent and to refresh more my moves. My opponent can actually only do air release at any moment of the CG.

 

[Hobobloke]

It's not an infinite but it could definitely last a **** long time if done well.

 

[B!squick]

Well... it COULD work forever. If you really believe in yourself.

 

[swordgard]

The best part about this new chaingrab is getting the opponent to the edge with a higher % so you can side b off the ledge with him and keep the cycle going.

 

[lanky_gunner]

Question about the vid. I noticed he did the pivot every other grab release. Is that how it's supposed to go, or can you pivot grab each time?

Either way, I'll test it out when I get home.

 

[Flayl]

Ground Release Offstage Footstool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhHaGDtumnA

 

[Corrupted~X]

rofl @ Wario.

 

[Hyesz]

^ Corr <3

Anyway this thread is useful info. I love Bowser. I gotta learn all of these, I knew a few but not many.

 

[Ace1208]

Ground Release Offstage Footstool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhHaGDtumnA

Works great but obviously not guarenteed :/ they could easily just jump and air dodge or attack...

 

[saviorslegacy]

JEEZ!
Bowser is like a God at GR CG's!

 

[MrEh]

JEEZ!
Bowser is like a God at GR CG's!

Umm....yeah?

 

[saviorslegacy]

Umm....yeah?

What do you mean?
What I meant was that I knew he had 10 less frames than everyone else when grab releasing, I just didn't know he had soooooo many options!

 

[B!squick]

Alot of things can happen in a sixth of a second.

 

[teluoborg]

Hey, hey,

remember that guy with the Bowser grab release Chart ?

Well he's back
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8118/boozergr2.jpg


Sorry for the necrobump but I guess that's where it belongs.
Also please tell me if any correction is needed.

 

[B!squick]

Right off the bat, Ice Climbers should probably be Ice Climber (no "s"). But that should probably be obvious anyway, lol.

 

[MrEh]

It has been confirmed that you can GR Uair Jiggs. Just a heads up.

(it *****)

 

[Liquid Gen]

thats uh

been confirmed for a while

 

[MrEh]

Did I ever say it was a recent discovery?

I mentioned it because it was absent from the chart.

 

[Liquid Gen]

considering the fact you posted it, it was implied as such

of course i could have taken it the wrong way in which case i apologize

 

[Cassius.]

you know it's not missing from the chart right

the "+" section marks jigglypuff and wario, and at the bottom of the chart the UAir thing is noted