Bowser, Grab release thread [Flayl is a boss]

[Vex Kasrani]

The GR SHUAir on Wario works on all flatplats, but how the **** do you UAir Olimar?

Smashville platform

 

[KingKong_ad]

on sv platforms, the platforms make you come closer to olimar during the grab break animation, just enough closer to be able to jump uair him

 

[Cassius.]

OH ON SV PLATFORMS. Ok, I was just sitting there on FD trying it and I was like, "the ****?" lmao.

Thanks for the clarification on my horrible reading -_-.

yeah, it works on SV. I'm stupid. lol

 

[GimR]

This is all the jab frame data:



Now I gladly admit I'm not a pro at frames by any means, but it's a known fact that Squirtle's grab release isn't a true combo. I've had all three of jabs powershielded by PhantomX many times.

It's one of the main reasons I rarely ever jab after a grab release any more.

Squirtles grab release to jab is a true combo. Either you're doing it wrong or your opponent is a slidey character who is DIing to far away for you to hit on frame one

 

[KingKong_ad]

I just wanted to point out that we can add situational things like that. its rare but its the kind of things that can make you win sometimes.

 

[Cassius.]

On the chart we could just * it and at the bottom clarify the asterisk and just say it's on the moving SV platform.

 

[KingKong_ad]

Ill do more test the next few days and post what I found.

also we can pivot grab the air release of mk on the platform
and on some characters you can dash grab their air release at the end of the platforms and finish them with drop down the plaftorm fair near the blast zone for an early kill

Ill do more tests

 

[Zigsta]

KK IS legit, after all. I can't wait to do that to Olimar, haha.

And GIMR, it's not true. This has been discussed plenty of times on the PT boards. Any more debate, bring it to the PT boards.

 

[KingKong_ad]

Bowser Air Realease Options on Sv platform

I did tests on every characters. I check all the usefull options bowser have during an air realease on sv platform.
Since Im lazy and dont have a lot of time, I tried only this on each character:

FAIR
UAIR
USMASH
FSMASH
GRAB
RUN PIVOT GRAB ( grabbing him the other side to continue the chaingrab)
DTILT
SIDEB

Obviously there are more things bowser can do, but I chose the one that are more suceptible to be used.

I classed them in 7 groups ( one of them is the characters with unique options )

USMASH, UAIR, FAIR, SIDEB

Game & Watch
Ice Climbers
Ivysaur
Kirby
Luigi
Mario
Ness
Peach
Rob
Samus
Toon Link
Yoshi
Zelda


FAIR, SIDEB, GRAB

Bowser
Captain Falcon
Charizard
Diddy Kong
King Dedede
Link
Snake
Wolf


USMASH, FAIR, SIDEB, GRAB, RUN PIVOT GRAB

Lucas
Meta Knight
Pikachu
Squirtle


FAIR, SIDEB

Lucario
Pit
Zero Suit Samus


UAIR, FAIR, SIDEB

Marth
Olimar


FAIR, SIDEB, GRAB, DTILT, FSMASH

Falco
Ganondorf


Unique Options

Fox: GRAB, DTILT
Ike: USMASH, FAIR, SIDEB, GRAB
Jigglypuff: UAIR, FAIR
Sheik: FAIR, SIDEB, GRAB, DTILT
Sonic: USMASH, FAIR, SIDEB, GRAB
Wario: DO WHATEVER YOU WANT !!!!

If you prefer I can list every characters and wirte the options we have on them near their names.

EDIT: I also did some videos to show most of our options but I need somebody to upload them. I have a vid for the lagless fair too.

 

[Cassius.]

You're the best.

 

[KingKong_ad]

I have to test them on other stages like Rainbow cruise ( the pendule thing and the place with the walkoff)
but its gonna be another day

 

[Dumbfire]

EDIT: I also did some videos to show most of our options but I need somebody to upload them. I have a vid for the lagless fair too.

I can do that, I upload stuff for a lot of people anyway.
Heres a quality sample. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ghnQpGp5Oo
But school is almost starting so that might take a while cuase now I got other things
to do ofcours too D:

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Don't worry, I'll uploadz it.

 

[B!squick]

Don't worry, I'll uploadz it.

Before or after you update this thread?

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Before or after you update this thread?

Uploading a video takes like... 5 minutes, testing and updating this thread will take several hours.

 

[Flayl]

I can actually test stuff for this thread with the frame advance code but I'd update it character by character each day.

 

[GimR]

KK IS legit, after all. I can't wait to do that to Olimar, haha.

And GIMR, it's not true. This has been discussed plenty of times on the PT boards. Any more debate, bring it to the PT boards.

so let me get this straight.

My shield comes up in 1 frame,

When a squirtle ground releases me and I'm holding shield and he jabs me before my shield comes out that doesn't mean that it's a true combo.



Sorry bowser boards for changing the subject

 

[Zigsta]

so let me get this straight.

My shield comes up in 1 frame,

When a squirtle ground releases me and I'm holding shield and he jabs me before my shield comes out that doesn't mean that it's a true combo.



Sorry bowser boards for changing the subject

All I know is it's been discussed in the past on the PT boards, and it was agreed that the jab could be perfect shielded. I've had all three jabs perfected shielded by PhantomX before...can't remember if it was in our MM on Youtube, though.

The other top PTs came to the same conclusion. As a result, you'll rarely see one of us do GR to jab.

Again, if you'd like to bring this up with the other PTs, you're more than welcome to bring it to the PT boards. The topic hasn't been discussed in a very long time.

 

[Flayl]

Someone please add this information to the first post:
- Air releases cannot be DI'd
- Characters whose feet are touching the ground cannot DI any of the releases. It doesn't matter if Bowser is pummeling or if they're only touching the ground because of a slope.
- Characters whose feet are in the air can only DI ground releases during the first 15 to 20 frames of their ground release (hard to measure)
- The distance for a ground release actually depends on the animation Bowser is currently in. During the first part of the pummel, Bowser draws the opponent near him. The opponent is closer than normal up until the middle of the headbutt (approximation, too hard to measure). What this means is that it's possible to DTilt Marth out of release, for example, if you release during the first part of the pummel.

 

[KillerJawz]

Wait I thought shielding was frame 2 :/.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Okay so, I'm currently testing grab releases in frame advance, so expect this thread to be updated within the next 2 days finally, 2 years later, LOL.

 

[MrEh]

Has it been years? Wow time flies.

 

[_Kadaj_]

You can't block the first hit, but you can SDI and PS the next two

 

[Vex Kasrani]

I'll add that with the update, just got done a few characters.

 

[Hobobloke]

On another note:
Sorry guys that I didnt update the first post with the fixing on Stuff and what you can DI out of, I'll have it updated by the end of the month, PROMISE!

This made me smile, it's cool to see we're actually getting it updated. Thanks Vex.

 

[Flayl]

edit: wrong tab

 

[Flayl]

Vex (or should I call you Tsukasa) are you testing RAR'd (also known as wavebounced) BAirs for air releases?

It really looks possible to BAir Ness out of an air release, which would be awesome. But Bowser's dash seems to be a bit finnicky on when you can start the reversal.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Vex (or should I call you Tsukasa) are you testing RAR'd (also known as wavebounced) BAirs for air releases?

It really looks possible to BAir Ness out of an air release, which would be awesome. But Bowser's dash seems to be a bit finnicky on when you can start the reversal.

Call me Vex still,

How the hell do you wavebounce aerials? I didn't realize RAR was considered wavebouncing.

I'll test that, good call.

 

[Flayl]

They're both kind of the same thing, except wavebouncing is associated with B-sticking. To wavebounce an aerial, you dash, B-stick backwards, which makes you jump facing backwards, and do an aerial (in this case BAir would be in the initial dash direction).

It looks like you can't do it during the initial dash animation, which might be the downfall of the idea, dunno.

 

[Zigsta]

How many frames do we have to upair Jigglypuff? Is it 10 frames like Yoshi's GR upair on Jiggs?

 

[Flayl]

We have 29 frames total to UAir Jigglypuff.

8 frames for jump squat animation
5 frames airborne and rising -> this is where the leniency can come from, don't know how much though
16 frames for double jump + UAir to come out

 

[Zigsta]

Wow, I thought we had more frames than Yoshi, but I didn't realize we had almost 3 times more!

Thanks, Flayl.

 

[Flayl]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=249046&highlight=grab+release

Yoshi has 20 frames to do stuff to Jigglypuff.
6 for jump squat animation
x for airborne time and double jump
5-6 for UAir

 

[Zigsta]

Dang, Polt definitely told me he had 10.

GET EXPOSED, POLTERGUST!

 

[MrEh]

Lies!

Yoshi can't even double jump Uair in 10 frames. :D

 

[B!squick]

Alright, the next time you say you're going to update this thread Vex, will you actually do if I say I believe you will?

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Alright, the next time you say you're going to update this thread Vex, will you actually do if I say I believe you will?

Still working on it.

 

[Hobobloke]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=249046&highlight=grab+release

Yoshi has 20 frames to do stuff to Jigglypuff.
6 for jump squat animation
x for airborne time and double jump
5-6 for UAir

Wait you're meant to double jump?! I've just been using a full hop uair and it seems to work.

 

[Zigsta]

I've been only using fullhop upair as well.

 

[B!squick]

Still working on it.

Dang. Well, good luck finishing it. (b'.')b