Bowser, Grab release thread [Flayl is a boss]

[eboz74]

Oh yeah, I know what you mean. I think the average Smasher isn't really paying a lot of attention to Bowser's tricky grab game, and that can lead to some nice mayhem. Even so, I find that it's occasionally difficult to force a ground release. If people mash consistently during the pummel, it's pretty easy, but if they get tricky and ease up a little, it throws me off.

agree it is all in the timing

 

[MrEh]

Eh... Bowser doing well against Wario is almost totally dependent on getting a grab

No it's not.

Bowser does ok against Wario even without the grab release shenanigans. The grab releases are just icing on the cake. ^^

 

[B!squick]

I was beat up by a Wario even WITH my shenanigans. T_T Am I just bad? XD

 

[MrEh]

I was beat up by a Wario even WITH my shenanigans. T_T Am I just bad? XD

Klaw a lot. ^^

 

[Crzy]

Wario can be a pain against Bowser....:/ Dair and neutral B are annoying. >

 

[GimR]

Ninja Link knows how to get it done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8-i2FJn3JA&feature=channel_page#t=1m27s

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Ninja Link knows how to get it done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8-i2FJn3JA&feature=channel_page#t=1m27s

I thought everybody knew ivysaur cant get away without jump releasing D:

 

[GimR]

I thought everybody knew ivysaur cant get away without jump releasing D:

I was just pointing out that NninjaLink knew how to get it done

 

[PhantomX]

I was beat up by a Wario even WITH my shenanigans. T_T Am I just bad? XD

Retreating Fortress out of shield... a lot. Don't Klaw excessively, if it gets predictable we will punish you much.

 

[Sgt. Baker]

I'm putting this in my favorite's list

 

[Liquid Gen]

I just love overdue releases, just like Brawl. Amirite?

 

[smashkng]

So many things to do when releasing Wario... but Wario is very hard to grab in Bowser's downside. That's whats ironic.

 

[_Kadaj_]

When will this thread be updated?

 

[Red Arremer]

I wonder, too. Vex has promised an update by the end of December... now it's almost end of April. =/

Not to press you or something, Vex, but is the data to be expected soon?

 

[Cyndi]

So many things to do when releasing Wario... but Wario is very hard to grab in Bowser's downside. That's whats ironic.

I always get edgehogged against Wario :/

 

[MechaBoozer20XX]

I wonder, too. Vex has promised an update by the end of December... now it's almost end of April. =/

Not to press you or something, Vex, but is the data to be expected soon?

He mentioned that he wouldn't have much time on his hands. I think he unofficially handed the project off to someone else. (Mr. Eh IIRC)

 

[megajosh2]

I cannot remember a single thing off of this, I hope it gets reorganized soon. I always forget about his awesome grab release game when I play him...

 

[B!squick]

Vex is again promising to update it soon. Once that happens I'll be sure to organise everything so it's easier to read.

 

[B!squick]

Yo, Vex, I know you have/had schoolings, laziness, and other such things preventing you from updating, but come on man. D: I have lots of free time, so if you'd like to divulge how exactly you went about finding out your GR data I can do it myself. I'm thinking I could just slow the game to 1/4 speed and mash jump on a second controler for jump releases. The only problem is I can't account for DI with this method. Maybe if I use my other foot to hold the control stick away...

 

[smashkng]

What's overb?

 

[Vex Kasrani]

What's overb?

Klaw

Tomorrow I'll officially start testing stuff with bowser's grab releases, update will probably be around next.... weekend'ish

 

[B!squick]

Yay! Also, may I suggest testing Dash, Standing, and Pivot regrabs?

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Yay! Also, may I suggest testing Dash, Standing, and Pivot regrabs?

I tried doing pivot regrabs on wario(running under him on the other side regrab) but it doesnt work, like if bowser was free to move from a grab release on like 17 instead of 20 he could probably do it. But yah I'll make sure to try everything.

 

[B!squick]

Cool. Thanks man. I'll even make a cool chart for your data so it's easier to read.

 

[Z1GMA]

Could someone please link me a match where Bowser abuses his GR?

 

[Liquid Gen]

I tried doing pivot regrabs on wario(running under him on the other side regrab) but it doesnt work, like if bowser was free to move from a grab release on like 17 instead of 20 he could probably do it. But yah I'll make sure to try everything.

A pivot regrab is actually just a standing instant pivot, not an actual dash>pivot. Just press back and immediately z and forward.

 

[Barbeque]

This is probably going to sound rediculous but I think i found a good way to avoid jump releases, but just so you know I don't really know much about the grab mechanics and I am probably about to make a fool of myself.

I find that it is alot easier to grab jab faster and more effectively by pressing A and Z alternately. I haven't seen a computer jump out of it before and I don't really know how to test it fully (another person would help, which i don't have) so yeah.

Maybe something to look into, I dunno.

 

[B!squick]

This is the Duke Nuken Forever of threads, lol.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Still working on testing stuff guys.

 

[Silent Beast]

Are you sure down-B works off of a ground release on those characters? When Bowser ground releases, on most opponents (i.e. not Ness, Lucas, or DK), he has a 10-frame advantage. All shields activate on frame 1. According to 3GOD's "in-depth and accurate" frame data thread, Bowser's down-B first hits on frame 11. Unless something's wrong with the frame data, those characters listed (except for Ness and Lucas) should be able to PS it.

 

[B!squick]

Still working on testing stuff guys.

Alright Vex, I believe you. I'm sure it takes forever to test something like this.

@Silent: He's working on an update, be patient.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

I am confused. How can I tell if an opponent will air or ground release? Even with MK and Wario, I've had ground releases... >.<

 

[Vex Kasrani]

I am confused. How can I tell if an opponent will air or ground release? Even with MK and Wario, I've had ground releases... >.<

If there feet don't touch the ground, then they will be forced to jump release UNLESS you pummel them just as they break out which will force a ground release.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Ah. I see.

I gotta try a few things out. Momentarily, my bowser game is pretty decent failing approximately two things. Grab release game is missing, and I use too much dair. >.<

And how do you do a pivot grab against an opponent who isn't behind you?

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

^that. Pivot grab against an opponent who isn't behind you? I have the feeling I should know this tech for a lot of my chars, especially with snake...

 

[B!squick]

You turn around. >.>

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

For some reason this still confuses me. So the opponent is in front of me. I turn around, then pivot grab.

I gotta work on my ability to actually tilt the stick. -_-

 

[B!squick]

I mean, it's a pivot grab. If they're on the opposite side you want to grab just add an extra pivot. I can't do it though, so don't feel bad.

 

[Dementophobic]

About those air release Fairs, are they unavoidable?I can't seem to ever land a Fair after an air release :/

 

[B!squick]

Who are you doing it on?