MrEh
Smash Hero
Nah, I'm pretty sure that doesn't make much of a difference with Bowser.
His grab comes out too fast.
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Bowser, Grab release thread [Flayl is a boss]
- Thread starter Vex Kasrani
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His grab comes out too fast.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Bowser's dash grab is still fast enough to regrab Ness and Lucas, infact its fast enough to regrab every character except DK.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
It is much easier, especially since if you mess up you don't get punished as badly. However doing the chaingrab gives about 20% more going fully across FD depending on how many jabs you do into what move, and also, doing a grab release fair at the ledge is much more effective then a grab release fair from the middle of the stage :D
CO18
Smash Hero
this still isnt stickied?
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
I've been messing around with Bowser for a while and I'm now just getting into this grab releasing business (Not a huge fan of it myself). I have a question though: Is it just me, or is the window of opportunity for regrabbing a character after they've been ground released extremely small?
Grab > Headbutt > Headbutt > *ground released* > dash grab > Miss > Seph: "****."
Grab > Headbutt > Headbutt > *ground released* > dash grab > Miss > Seph: "****."
MrEh
Smash Hero
The window of opportunity depends on the character.
For someone like Link? Easy.
For someone like Falcon? Hard.
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Interesting read. Im glad TL isnt affected by this.
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
Ok and I have another question. Is the release grab trickery really that beneficial to Bowsers game? Like...if I want to take Bowser seriously is this something that I must learn?
Any good Bowser players want to shed some light on this?
Any good Bowser players want to shed some light on this?
Crzy
Smash Journeyman
Yes. Because at the very least you'll do some good damage to them if you don't kill them(with some moves). And hey, free damage is free damage if you ask me.
I personally don't rely on it to kill people, but I throw some in when I can just to mix things up and keep the opponent guessing about WHEN I'll throw one in.
I personally don't rely on it to kill people, but I throw some in when I can just to mix things up and keep the opponent guessing about WHEN I'll throw one in.
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
And yet another question.
It says that if you are grab jabbing an opponent they will ground release (that applies to ALL characters). However, it says that in order for a character like Metaknight to ground release he needs to be mashing while you are grab jabbing him. If the Bowser was grab jabbing him, why would he need to mash out in order to ground release when it was already stated that grab jabbing on opponent forces them to ground release anyways?
It says that if you are grab jabbing an opponent they will ground release (that applies to ALL characters). However, it says that in order for a character like Metaknight to ground release he needs to be mashing while you are grab jabbing him. If the Bowser was grab jabbing him, why would he need to mash out in order to ground release when it was already stated that grab jabbing on opponent forces them to ground release anyways?
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
On EVERY CHARACTER, if they mash out just as your grab jabbing them, then they auto ground release
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
Ok and another question (I bet yall are pullin your hair out XD sorry).
Sometimes when I grab an opponent and bash them I can grab them right away when they ground release (Like...I don't even need to dash first), and sometimes I cannot. Is this dependant on % or diminishing returns? Also, if you can't grab an opponent right away when they ground release, is it guaranteed that you can regrab them by doing a dash grab instead?
Sometimes when I grab an opponent and bash them I can grab them right away when they ground release (Like...I don't even need to dash first), and sometimes I cannot. Is this dependant on % or diminishing returns? Also, if you can't grab an opponent right away when they ground release, is it guaranteed that you can regrab them by doing a dash grab instead?
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
What you did was a standing CG. I'm not sure if it depends on % but it happens a lot to chars like Wario when the ground release close to you. If you can't standing grab them because there to far dash grab them and, if you timed it right, you should be able to regrab them.
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Bowser King
Sephiroth27
Smash Ace
Ahh alright then.
I still hate the timing on the dash grabs. =/
I still hate the timing on the dash grabs. =/
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Characters can DI Grab Ground releases, so if you can regrab them in place after they ground release, then they are doing something wrong.
CO18
Smash Hero
Are you sure about the pikachu air releases? I cant seem to get any of them.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
It doesn't as long as you dash grab.
And the timing on pikachu is really hard.
MrEh
Smash Hero
This thread is stickied now. Sweet.
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
Bowser can really go for a Grab release on Marth? What About Marths Dolphin Slash. Will that break the release strategy?
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
No. Bowser's chaingrab works on Marth.
STILL waiting for the picures
I can't live without them..
Bowser King
Have It Your Way
Same here. Even though this thread has more information, I'd rather stare at Mreh beautiful version.
The way he organized it seems easier for my eyes.
-Bowser King
The way he organized it seems easier for my eyes.
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Bowser King
CO18
Smash Hero
I dont see why this needs pictures either. I find it easy to just come quickly and look at what grab releases i can do on whoever.
Yea, pictures are easier for the brain to find than words are.
And I just love the stupid look on the little D3-head!
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Yea, pictures are easier for the brain to find than words are.
And I just love the stupid look on the little D3-head!
I'll try to have actual pictures( not the head icons ) up by next week.
MrEh
Smash Hero
If we're going to be using the head icons, can you use my Ike one?
It's just too awesome not to use.
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
F-tilt and dash attack can be shilelded and dodged by every character except Ness and Lucas. If you don't believe me test it yourself. If I'm wrong please post video evidence(I would like to be wrong)
Trust me though, when I made the original video, I tested ever possibility
Here are the links to my 2 vids BTW(Just in case you want to link them on your first post)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QA72-MVUSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch_UreOgveo&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_686563
Trust me though, when I made the original video, I tested ever possibility
Here are the links to my 2 vids BTW(Just in case you want to link them on your first post)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QA72-MVUSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch_UreOgveo&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_686563
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
I will admit to ftilt because I never corrected that, but JUMP RELEASE dash attack works on a good amount of characters
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
Oops, I'm talking about grounded release
The Real Inferno
Smash Hero
I have alot of trouble pulling off Ftilt out of Grab Release, I flub the timing often. I prefer the chain grab and air release to fair over anything else. The great thing about this tactic is Bowser's large grab range. I haven't incorporated air release to dash attack into my game yet, but I'll be sure to give it a try next time. I'm glad this thread was made it leveled up my Bowser which he was in terrible need of. I've been spending alot of time on my Snake to lesson my woes with Meta Knight but I think I might relax and bust out Bowser for the Wichita Bi-weekly tomorrow.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Bowser has pretty bad grab range.
GimR
GimR, Co-Founder of VGBootCamp
His dash grab has pretty good range.(nothing compared to Kirby's though)
IkeStriker
Smash Rookie
WOw most of it works GG ty
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Everything but a few ftilts work.