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BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia
- Thread starter Overswarm
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im not trying to rush a lynch. i'm trying to push for information before the day of lynching occurs (which should be near the deadline). we only have a specific amount of time to get the most amount of information we can get so when i say im being impatient it means i want people to deliver their thoughts so we can have more info
chibo actually hasnt been the centerpiece which surprises me. the only people who have been on his *** has been myself and bardull. earlier in the day it was Reflex/Hilt, then it was scattered and random, then i think Swordgard, w/e. u get the point.
the reason i want information on certain people about how they feel about chibo is because that information is key to finding and ascertaining connections. ill be frank; i'm suspicious of both scamp and .joel in regards to their relationship with Chibo. therefore i want to ascertain their view on chibo to see if my assumptions hold any weight to it (although a specific response does not condemn nor relieve them).
shaya, i implore that instead of trying to tell me to slow down that maybe you should be asking specific questions or seeking certain information for yourself? my experience has shown me that not everyone is going to take the iniatitive to scumhunt so its always been in my character to be aggressive in my search.
Okay.
OS has implied that some people in this game know roles. His explicit statement about Chibo perhaps pertains to this.
If I am to assume this is correct, then if Scamp is anti-town, then so is Chibo.
Could you quote me in on what joel has said?
Hmm, Ive felt that chibo has been the centrepiece of any sort of serious accusations. Ive felt most other things Ive read have been fluff (swordgard, people on reflex for inactivity) or information we cannot really confirm.
My main thing at the moment wasnt an intent of slowing us down, but more Im curious as to why you are so certain we need to lynch Chibo. Because I am not certain, I want to know why you are.
About Scamp.
OS has implied that some people in this game know roles. His explicit statement about Chibo perhaps pertains to this.
If I am to assume this is correct, then if Scamp is anti-town, then so is Chibo.
Could you quote me in on what joel has said?
Hmm, Ive felt that chibo has been the centrepiece of any sort of serious accusations. Ive felt most other things Ive read have been fluff (swordgard, people on reflex for inactivity) or information we cannot really confirm.
My main thing at the moment wasnt an intent of slowing us down, but more Im curious as to why you are so certain we need to lynch Chibo. Because I am not certain, I want to know why you are.
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
kk guys just got home, gonna do a reread tonight. planning to have a post up soon.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Will respond to some of the bigger posts on me soon like Omnis. kupo!
Not trying to get the focus off me, but I really want town to discuss other things this day as well, this whole day has pretty much been on me with a little bit on swordgard for the mixup. There's a lot of possibilities for ppl to slip under the radar.
Not trying to get the focus off me, but I really want town to discuss other things this day as well, this whole day has pretty much been on me with a little bit on swordgard for the mixup. There's a lot of possibilities for ppl to slip under the radar.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
kupo!
Omni, why are you trying to say how I act as town? Can you accurately describe exactly how I play as town? I can't even describe how I exactly play as town. My play as any faction normally isn't that standard especially looking at my more recent games (my earliest games were really easy to read into me).
How many people in this game have played mafia with me before? Hilt, ok. You Omni, yea. Marc? Maybe, I forget. So that's two, three tops. Look at the amount of people in this thread. Give some specifics in other games and link to em to prove that how I'm acting is not my normal town play.
In contrast, I will provide some specifics. It's funny that we're sort of bumping heads here in a mafia game again, as it's happened once before, and last time you took the aggressive side (sounds familiar?) against me.
Exten Tuy Mafia - a LoD mafia. Here is a link to a copy of the game in DGames. If you guys want a good read and some insight into myself vs Omni, take a read starting from this page, around post 301
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=267788&page=21
hint: Omni was scum and I was town.
Thoughts from anyone on this?
Omni, why are you trying to say how I act as town? Can you accurately describe exactly how I play as town? I can't even describe how I exactly play as town. My play as any faction normally isn't that standard especially looking at my more recent games (my earliest games were really easy to read into me).
How many people in this game have played mafia with me before? Hilt, ok. You Omni, yea. Marc? Maybe, I forget. So that's two, three tops. Look at the amount of people in this thread. Give some specifics in other games and link to em to prove that how I'm acting is not my normal town play.
In contrast, I will provide some specifics. It's funny that we're sort of bumping heads here in a mafia game again, as it's happened once before, and last time you took the aggressive side (sounds familiar?) against me.
Exten Tuy Mafia - a LoD mafia. Here is a link to a copy of the game in DGames. If you guys want a good read and some insight into myself vs Omni, take a read starting from this page, around post 301
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=267788&page=21
hint: Omni was scum and I was town.
Thoughts from anyone on this?
did u seriously dodge the same questions and go back to the small meta observation i made in one single post and ONLY respond to that? that was the least important of my points and you somehow evaded all of the rest including some from BarDull?
really?
really?
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Is your entire defense that Omni is scum?
just to make sure i wasn't missing something. this also isn't the first time two of your posts have been inconsistent with each other as i mentioned earlier.
is there any specific reason why you continue to dodge several main points while maintaing an inconsistency with your remaining posts? are these questions and points difficult for you to address, chibo?
BarDulL
Town Vampire
It seems you're set on not responding to the post, but rather straying from the topic of discussion, Chibo.
It's not that I thought he had good points, I just didn't like the reasoning that his points were bad "just because." If you saw someone accuse/attack me of something, wouldn't you get annoyed if the accused party defended themselves by saying "Sorry bud you are wrong" and that was it? That's why I asked you guys to do so, to see what you would say about his accusations, not because I thought you guys were guilty of his particular accusations at all. But you went ahead and did break apart his post in your next post.
The main thing I agree with is that he did ignore a lot of the interactions between other members, I just think it's way easier to say that to say "no you're wrong just because" which was the initial reaction you guys were giving. That's all.
^ I meant to say if someone made a post accusing me of anything wouldn't it be annoying to see my defense as "Sorry your accusations are wrong just because" At this point this is all moot because you guys went ahead and broke down his points anyway.
Admb's post had a lot of holes and you guys pointed them out, but I don't think it was so ridiculous and out of the line that it didn't initially deserve to be defended again - no matter how ridiculous or silly accusations are, I think it's in towns best interests to address each and every one in detail, like you guys did in subsequent posts, after I made my questioning post.
Admb's post had a lot of holes and you guys pointed them out, but I don't think it was so ridiculous and out of the line that it didn't initially deserve to be defended again - no matter how ridiculous or silly accusations are, I think it's in towns best interests to address each and every one in detail, like you guys did in subsequent posts, after I made my questioning post.
BY the way, Reflex was inactive LONG BEFORE MLG Orlando even started. Don't even use that excuse for him
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
In regards to Chibo, my opinion remains relatively unchanged, even more so with how he flipflops constantly.
As for Reflex, NO JOHNS.
MLG did not make him inactive, he was inactive from the very beginning.
This is also the same for Dark Musician.
As for Reflex, NO JOHNS.
MLG did not make him inactive, he was inactive from the very beginning.
This is also the same for Dark Musician.
This may be the oddest posting restriction ive ever heard of.
But what if Reflex is only allowed a certain number of day posts? Counting in that he posted in the night with seemingly no repurcussions...
Its too odd though, so I doubt it. Reflex (imo) needs to go.
But I dont think its a good idea to lynch him today. We have a lot of information to go off today. And we have targets that we know would produce better information for us.
Ughh we really needed reflex to go day1... his presence makes things harder for town in general. If hes town he is being useless in helping us, if he isnt then we dont really have anything to go by in getting rid of him and there are now better targets.
Actually, in fact, when Overswarm returns perhaps he will just modkill him for inactivity. In that case I think votes on him atm is somewhat wasted.
But what if Reflex is only allowed a certain number of day posts? Counting in that he posted in the night with seemingly no repurcussions...
Its too odd though, so I doubt it. Reflex (imo) needs to go.
But I dont think its a good idea to lynch him today. We have a lot of information to go off today. And we have targets that we know would produce better information for us.
Ughh we really needed reflex to go day1... his presence makes things harder for town in general. If hes town he is being useless in helping us, if he isnt then we dont really have anything to go by in getting rid of him and there are now better targets.
Actually, in fact, when Overswarm returns perhaps he will just modkill him for inactivity. In that case I think votes on him atm is somewhat wasted.
hmm, in fact isnt the right wording. I just mean its possible that will occur. Cant rely on it though.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Hmm, I don't think so, I dont believe such a heavy restriction would be placed.
Since its just as bad as making someone go "I am mafia" every single post since it WILL get them killed wouldn't it?
EIther by mod or by lynching.
Since its just as bad as making someone go "I am mafia" every single post since it WILL get them killed wouldn't it?
EIther by mod or by lynching.
This following post is conjecture only:
if he has a posting restriction similar to that of silence (I know flavour is bad, but there is such a character in FF6...), then he would probably not be modkilled for it.
It all depends on whether or not he, during the night phase of day 2, posts again.
Which honestly, as strange as it is, I am willing to wait for that specifically.
if he has a posting restriction similar to that of silence (I know flavour is bad, but there is such a character in FF6...), then he would probably not be modkilled for it.
It all depends on whether or not he, during the night phase of day 2, posts again.
Which honestly, as strange as it is, I am willing to wait for that specifically.
DtJ Hilt
Little Lizard
actually unvote
Shaya actually brings up a good point. I think Reflex is just inactive because he's reflex. Not because of his role. Seeing his inactivity (barely any posts since the first day) I'd much rather him die of Mod kill. If not, then replaced so we don't waste a day lynch on a dumb townie due to his inactivity. Granted, I'm not defending Reflex's inactivity in any way. I'm all for lynching players that have no intention of pushing themselves for town's sake as well as can't push themselves to scumhunt. So here's to hoping for a modkill/replacement. If not, let's lynch him. ToDay or Tomorrow, either's fine with me.
As for adum, I'm all for his lynch. His tunneling was a bother to read through and was based entirely on WIFOM and stemmed from a series of what ifs. He'll become a liability later in the game. Everything else, Omni touched on.
Just about every single one of Chibo's posts have been centered on the discussion of himself. We've heard basically nothing of his suspicions, save for those related to his OMGUS towards Omni. Chibo isn't pushing himself to scumhunt, he's just pushing himself to survive and defend against accusations on himself.
Going to do a reread on Joel's posts after I get some sleep. His posts have made me uneasy since he backed off of my bandwagon nearly because Omni asked him why he preferred me over DM (who needs to start posting as well)
Anyways.
Vote: Chibo
You're not really scumhunting, you're more or less tunneling Omni. You've done so the entire day and it's annoying. Also, as I said before, your seemingly eager attitude to use your ability to try to stop Omni from voting for you, most likely stemmed from a lack of fear of an anti-town party using your information against town.
Shaya actually brings up a good point. I think Reflex is just inactive because he's reflex. Not because of his role. Seeing his inactivity (barely any posts since the first day) I'd much rather him die of Mod kill. If not, then replaced so we don't waste a day lynch on a dumb townie due to his inactivity. Granted, I'm not defending Reflex's inactivity in any way. I'm all for lynching players that have no intention of pushing themselves for town's sake as well as can't push themselves to scumhunt. So here's to hoping for a modkill/replacement. If not, let's lynch him. ToDay or Tomorrow, either's fine with me.
As for adum, I'm all for his lynch. His tunneling was a bother to read through and was based entirely on WIFOM and stemmed from a series of what ifs. He'll become a liability later in the game. Everything else, Omni touched on.
Just about every single one of Chibo's posts have been centered on the discussion of himself. We've heard basically nothing of his suspicions, save for those related to his OMGUS towards Omni. Chibo isn't pushing himself to scumhunt, he's just pushing himself to survive and defend against accusations on himself.
Going to do a reread on Joel's posts after I get some sleep. His posts have made me uneasy since he backed off of my bandwagon nearly because Omni asked him why he preferred me over DM (who needs to start posting as well)
If you think someone is scummy, the thought should never go through your head "Wait, what if he's jester? Maybe we shouldn't lynch him then, even though he's so scummy." Jester is a terrible, terrible role and should never be used. As said by Omni, Jester, as with all independent roles, has no intention of helping out town. And killing Jester (even WITH it getting a win from the lynch) does not put town at a more disadvantageous position than if the lynched player was a town member. In fact, lynching a Jester is much better than lynching a vanilla townie could ever be, and I really don't understand why you would call it a wasted lynch.
Anyways.
Vote: Chibo
You're not really scumhunting, you're more or less tunneling Omni. You've done so the entire day and it's annoying. Also, as I said before, your seemingly eager attitude to use your ability to try to stop Omni from voting for you, most likely stemmed from a lack of fear of an anti-town party using your information against town.
I would just like to point out that taking this http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_VI_Characters into account, there are 14 playable characters yet we are 15, which leaves the issue of what is the 15th character.
Assuming cyan is in the game, that dastrn was gau and that chibo is a moogle, it becomes clear very quickly that we are one of those 14 characters. Keep in mind this theory would implie that the "secret" characters are actually in here which we have no proof of so far, otherwise I might be wrong. If so, does anyone know to which character would cyan be most probably mason with(assuming cyan is in the game and is adumby's mason partner, we can find adumby's identity). OS said not to rely on flavor, not that it would be useless. We can still use this to our advantage to figure out some stuff.
Also I do not like how Omni or Chibo uses meta(using other game information) since it is very easy to cherrypick evidence and very hard for us to verify what is their "usual" game.
Also, please remember, anyone who makes a bad use of ability doesn't mean they are mafia/scrum, screwing up doesn't mean theyre scum. Same thing with reasonnings, if they make a reasoning, lynch and turn out to be wrong doesn't mean they are scum.
ATM i will vote for hilt until I can decide later on to vote either for Chibo, or adumbrodeus(thou has not shown thyself since thy's argument, failing doesn't mean thou can go hide in the shadows, and stop being so paranoid) or reflex.
unvote
vote: hilt
Assuming cyan is in the game, that dastrn was gau and that chibo is a moogle, it becomes clear very quickly that we are one of those 14 characters. Keep in mind this theory would implie that the "secret" characters are actually in here which we have no proof of so far, otherwise I might be wrong. If so, does anyone know to which character would cyan be most probably mason with(assuming cyan is in the game and is adumby's mason partner, we can find adumby's identity). OS said not to rely on flavor, not that it would be useless. We can still use this to our advantage to figure out some stuff.
Also I do not like how Omni or Chibo uses meta(using other game information) since it is very easy to cherrypick evidence and very hard for us to verify what is their "usual" game.
Also, please remember, anyone who makes a bad use of ability doesn't mean they are mafia/scrum, screwing up doesn't mean theyre scum. Same thing with reasonnings, if they make a reasoning, lynch and turn out to be wrong doesn't mean they are scum.
ATM i will vote for hilt until I can decide later on to vote either for Chibo, or adumbrodeus(thou has not shown thyself since thy's argument, failing doesn't mean thou can go hide in the shadows, and stop being so paranoid) or reflex.
unvote
vote: hilt
@Shaya: Reflex does not have a posting restriction. here's some homework. read the first page of this thread again and see if u can find where Overswarm makes a comment that heavily suggests he would not do anything to promote inactivity. stop trying to figure out posting restrictions and things u cant determine. if u find yourself "not knowing for sure" or simply "guessing" you're on the wrong point.
@Swordgard: stop ****ing talking about flavor, Swordgard. jesus dude. you cannot use it to learn ANYTHING because it is not absolute so just leave it alone. so stop talking about it cuz it does not help anything and only makes people start thinking about silly ideas.
also, meta is not pointless tho it is weaker than in-game theory. however, i stated specifically that the meta idea was one of my smallest points and Chibo actually linked you guys to a game so u can verify our "usual" game. i dont like this point that you made.
can u explain your 4th paragraph? no one is voting Chibo on the sole basis that he made bad use of his ability. if u have been reading thoroughly and correctly it is as combination of several points
whats your reasoning for wanting to vote Chibo, Swordgard
@Swordgard: stop ****ing talking about flavor, Swordgard. jesus dude. you cannot use it to learn ANYTHING because it is not absolute so just leave it alone. so stop talking about it cuz it does not help anything and only makes people start thinking about silly ideas.
also, meta is not pointless tho it is weaker than in-game theory. however, i stated specifically that the meta idea was one of my smallest points and Chibo actually linked you guys to a game so u can verify our "usual" game. i dont like this point that you made.
can u explain your 4th paragraph? no one is voting Chibo on the sole basis that he made bad use of his ability. if u have been reading thoroughly and correctly it is as combination of several points
whats your reasoning for wanting to vote Chibo, Swordgard
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
I agree with Omni.
Talking about flavour is not only bad because of the already mentioned reasons, but also because we do not know which abilities are linked to which character. Best example is Dastrn - Gau being the town cop makes, to me as a person who played the game, no sense at all.
Therefore we cannot link the player powers with the in-game abilities.
Talking about flavour is not only bad because of the already mentioned reasons, but also because we do not know which abilities are linked to which character. Best example is Dastrn - Gau being the town cop makes, to me as a person who played the game, no sense at all.
Therefore we cannot link the player powers with the in-game abilities.
BarDulL
Town Vampire
Not to mention that even if we could do that, doing so would be a TERRIBLE idea.
Town doesn't want Mafia having that kind of information.
Town doesn't want Mafia having that kind of information.
Yeah this is reallyyy bad going by this type of flavor. What if Ultros, Maduin, Emporer Gestahl and General Leo are some of the roles given? What if Locke isn't even given as a role? You don't know that information. OS could have chosen to make that guy in fanatics tower who goes "treasure! treasure!' one of the characters for all we know. but we don't know any of this.
Okay so at the moment I cannot decide whether to vote reflex or chibo. i'm becoming more and more sucpicious of chibo myself, due to his repeated failed defenses against some accusations. But I reallyyy reallyy am scared of someone that can post at night. But then again. ,I just re read the rules and apparantly you can be punished for stuff privately - he might have gotten a punishment for that, so Reflex may or may not have been really allowed to do it at all.
Well, it's possible that he has to post at night as his restriction. What makes me scared is that some people would defend him still knowing that restriction/being in cahoots with him. (ie, scum)
I raised the point that his restriction might be to be forced to post once per night but nobody seemed to comment on it. It seems like a big deal. The probability of someone posting at night and nobody taking issue is higher for scum because other scum would know about it and deter it and focus attention on something else. If someone town aligned posted at night, there would be a higher probability of more people noticing and taking issue of it because nobody would realize it's his restriction. It just..smells. I can't prove/say this for certainty, but the situation just smells to me.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
We don't know if that's a restriction or not. Just relax, Edrees. If we don't lynch Reflex toDay, and he posts again in night 2, this point becomes relevant. For now, I don't think you should get your panties in a bunch over something that might've been some randomness coming from Reflex, and he might've been punished for posting in night 1.
hmm..alright, I'll let it go and see what happens after night 2.
ShadowLink84
Smash Hero
Okay so then the issue in regards to Reflex is on the backburner then?
Are we going to return to the issue in regards to Chibo's impression of John Kerry?
Are we going to return to the issue in regards to Chibo's impression of John Kerry?
Well, Chibo's been everywhere on SWF except here. The question of him avoiding the issue is pretty clear. He may be stalling for time or attempting to waste time.
Overswarm, can we get a vote count?
Who here at this point does not like Chibo's lynch?
Overswarm, can we get a vote count?
Who here at this point does not like Chibo's lynch?
11:20:38 PM swordgard: you do realize chibo actually has some school-related work?
11:21:00 PM Omni: how do you know
11:21:10 PM swordgard: I dont know if he went alot on swf or anything, but its written in his aim nickname
11:21:14 PM swordgard: he skipped class today
11:21:19 PM swordgard: to design his game
11:21:28 PM swordgard: which i talked to him about
11:21:33 PM Omni: you do know that's illegal to talk to me about the game outside of the game
11:21:33 PM swordgard: and he said it was due tonight
11:22:18 PM swordgard: yeah i guess, but its more like he has stuff outside the game, im gonna post this either way
11:22:30 PM swordgard: either way lets leave it at that
11:22:35 PM Omni: what im saying is that you can technically be modkilled by communicating outside of the thread
11:23:01 PM swordgard: yeah, oh well i guess thats what i get for being lazy
11:23:21 PM swordgard: (posting restriction annoying me too much)
Also, Chibo has been posting plenty in other places of SWF.
11:21:00 PM Omni: how do you know
11:21:10 PM swordgard: I dont know if he went alot on swf or anything, but its written in his aim nickname
11:21:14 PM swordgard: he skipped class today
11:21:19 PM swordgard: to design his game
11:21:28 PM swordgard: which i talked to him about
11:21:33 PM Omni: you do know that's illegal to talk to me about the game outside of the game
11:21:33 PM swordgard: and he said it was due tonight
11:22:18 PM swordgard: yeah i guess, but its more like he has stuff outside the game, im gonna post this either way
11:22:30 PM swordgard: either way lets leave it at that
11:22:35 PM Omni: what im saying is that you can technically be modkilled by communicating outside of the thread
11:23:01 PM swordgard: yeah, oh well i guess thats what i get for being lazy
11:23:21 PM swordgard: (posting restriction annoying me too much)
Also, Chibo has been posting plenty in other places of SWF.
I considered this to be out of the game though since it was more about IRL work than in-game elements. If OS feels this is too linked to the game, he may feel free to punish me.
Either way
unvote
vote Omni
Defending someone outside of the game is a severe offense that is usually punished with a modkill. It's Overswarm's call, but I'm not happy about it. Come on, you know better than to do something like this.
Chibo and I are in another game together and he hasn't been very active there either. That said, I'm also not that active in that game, while I am in this one.
Chibo and I are in another game together and he hasn't been very active there either. That said, I'm also not that active in that game, while I am in this one.