BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[swordgard]

What? Swordgard that makes no sense.
You're trying to take the investigation, and turn it on something that is insignificant.
Why would they "wink" at each other in such a manner when they can communicate amongst each other in PM's?

Let alone, even if they are mason's, why would you be so intent on role fishing?
Is it not counter productive?

I want an explanation why you felt that such an EXTREMELY small fact required so much attention when it really doesn't indicate much of anything.

My fail.


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vote: swordgard


Thats what I get for not playing this game on the boards >.<

 

[Red Arremer]

Bardull: Scamp (1)
swordgard: .joel, swordgard (2)
adumbrodeus: Shaya (1)
Reflex: Darkmusician, Hilt, Edrees (3)
Chibo: Omni, Bardull (2)
Omni: Chibo (1)

It takes 8 to lynch.

 

[ShadowLink84]

I really, really doubt you would make such a mistake, and even if it was a mistake, it would only indicate you are pulling townies down.


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Vote: swordgard

 

[swordgard]

.joel I really failed on that one, if thou want to lynch me for it though then thats thy choice. And having post restriction does not mean thou have a great power. Its weird though that nobody felt like explaining some stuff before, oh well. If thou think I am mafia and wanted to get thee lynched on this, ****, mafia must suck because if so many people knew I am pretty sure mafia would have stopped me before I posted this. I played this game in real life before, so I am not aware of this terminology. I just thought that if I had such a heavy posting restriction, someone else was bound to have some.


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vote: Edrees

 

[BarDulL]

 

[Red Arremer]

What is that supposed to mean, Bardull?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Yes, I noticed swordgard's restriction after it was pointed out that he "messed up with it." When I went back and reviewed the thread I noticed he changed his opinion like the wind.

I'd like to test swordgard's accusations. Can Bardull or Omni, or someone who said, "toDay" everytime please make a post and say "today"? I want to test if it's a restriction. It is pretty far fetched but hey I'm curious as to test it. You probably think I'm silly for wanting to if you've played many games and always see people doing it, but hey..that's of it being my first online mafia game.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I know it's extremely far fetched. That would be way too easy to find mafia. But it would bug me in the back of my head..

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Please note that my intention is NOT to role fish or go based on flavor. my intent is to see if their is a connection/link between those players, ie behavior/association/partnerships.

 

[Red Arremer]

Just for the record: today, yesterday

And, that is exactly what swordgard's usual tactic was about: Making more inexperienced players (or players who are not used to the forum gaming) unsure about what to do.

This is what his aggression and "omg it's so obvious" argumentation is about, and this is what his "hint" was about.
Confusing newbies, making them insecure, and possibly creating a bandwagon on top of that. Controlling the newbs.

He can say "I failed" as much as he wants to, I firmly believe that swordgard is scum or indy.

 

[BarDulL]

What is that supposed to mean, Bardull?

Blacker than a moonless night...hotter and more bitter than Hell itself...that is coffee.

The coffee you are serving now, trite, is of the opposite. My palette screams in agony as your brew touches my lips...it's too light for my tastes, and here's why!

Alright, that's enough for me. Usually, I'm very neutral in most games of mafia, and I don't tend to do a writeup like this, but I'm fully convinced now.

I've been watching him since he entered the game. And I think swordgard just proved himself to be either indy or mafia, so I'm sure that he should be lynched.

His posting restriction is obvious (I'm not speaking of the "thou"s, but the fact he has to change his vote with every post), so it's clear he has some sort of power. Of course this is flavour. Since I agree with Omni that role-fishing and going simply by flavour is extremely anti-town, this is not my only point.

Additionally to the metagame, he has been extremely aggressive towards almost everyone since the very beginning (not speaking of his votes there), but very uncooperative on the other hand. He hardly provided any insight into his actions and statements, and if he did, his "arguments" usually consisted of "it's so obvious what I'm doing" and "you're all so dumb", etc.

He apparently is one of the more experienced players in this round, and he knows that we have quite a few inexperienced players here, so I think he uses this tactic and statements like "it's so obvious" to scare the more inexperienced players from making a case against him, yet alone voting him.

What happened right now... I don't know whether it was intended to be clever and try to abuse the newer players' lack of knowledge, or he was indeed that stupid. In any way, he first announced his "discovery" to be a huge hint that will crush all of our current investigations.
Instead, he just brought up a connection between 4 people who use some game terminology that others don't.
So, he makes a mountain out of a molehill, and that could've been avoided by just asking. The question is - why didn't he ask? This leads me to only two possible conclusions:
Possibility 1: He is trying to jam our investigations by throwing in a completely unnecessary show, distracting us and confusing the more inexperienced players with this, so that they follow along.
Possibility 2: He was very dumb.

And I doubt possibility 2 is actually true.
So, screw Reflex and his inactivity, we can lynch him later:

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Vote: swordgard

If Swordgard had realized earlier on that "toDay" and "yesterDay" was game terminology...he wouldn't have tried to formulate a case around anyone using it. No, that would have been too stupid, he would have just gotten the same reaction that he is getting now.

So, how about possibility 3: He didn't know. This does put his level of ignorance at an all time high of course, hah!

You're jumping the gun, Trite. "Proven himself mafia or indy"? Hah! Don't make me laugh! The only thing you've proven so far...is that he hasn't been playing great for Town!

 

[BarDulL]

As for posting restrictions regarding "toDay", "yesterDay", "toNight", here goes nothing.

*ahem*

toNight.

toDay.

yesterDay.

It's just game terminology.

 

[BarDulL]

today

yesterday

tonight

 

[swordgard]

Just for the record: today, yesterday

And, that is exactly what swordgard's usual tactic was about: Making more inexperienced players (or players who are not used to the forum gaming) unsure about what to do.

This is what his aggression and "omg it's so obvious" argumentation is about, and this is what his "hint" was about.
Confusing newbies, making them insecure, and possibly creating a bandwagon on top of that. Controlling the newbs.

He can say "I failed" as much as he wants to, I firmly believe that swordgard is scum or indy.

Ahah, here is the thing though I play this game IRL, I have no idea about the terminology on the boards for this(though this game isn't called mafia irl).

I was not sure if I was allowed to tell my first restriction, hence why I hinted TWICE at it, and yet nobody even bothered to look it up at first except Omni.
Oh well, my bad, I totally did it on purpose, trying to round this up only to fail miserably and look stupid. TBH I think if I was mafia and actually set that up I would have to be the most creative mafia player ever. Keep in mind, I still find my posting restriction to be quite easy to spot, and that anyone who did not figure it out just did not bother to actually follow my hints.


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vote: adumbrodeus

 

[BarDulL]

What has been bothering me however, Swordgard, is why you felt we were guilty based on that "restriction."

A posting restriction doesn't prove someone to be Scum or Indy.

Why didn't you consider the possibility that we could have been Townies?

 

[swordgard]

What has been bothering me however, Swordgard, is why you felt we were guilty based on that "restriction."

A posting restriction doesn't prove someone to be Scum or Indy.

Why didn't you consider the possibility that we could have been Townies?

4 independant townies that know each others to be townies seems a bit OP to me, especially if mafia is not above 5 players(and it shouldn't be in a 15 man game). Agree or disagree? Even with 7 mafia(which would be the limit btw), that would be very very powerful.



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vote scamp

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Blacker than a moonless night...hotter and more bitter than Hell itself...that is coffee.

The coffee you are serving now, trite, is of the opposite. My palette screams in agony as your brew touches my lips...it's too light for my tastes, and here's why!

I can't help you. You must look within for answers.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Bah, coulda sworn I copied and pasted this in with this! let's try this again.

"Yes, you must figure this one out on your own!"

Sorry just saw your Godot and had to raise you a Mia!

Anyway, Swordgard, I'm not sure where you got the idea that town doesn't know each either. There are a lot of crazy rules in this version of Mafia - some townies may know or not know each other, which I admit would be a huge departure from common Mafia. I still find your eagerness to jump on people being connected as being Mafia pretty sniffy though. For now I will change my vote because of this behavior.

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Vote: swordgard

 

[swordgard]

Bah, coulda sworn I copied and pasted this in with this! let's try this again.

"Yes, you must figure this one out on your own!"

Sorry just saw your Godot and had to raise you a Mia!

Anyway, Swordgard, I'm not sure where you got the idea that town doesn't know each either. There are a lot of crazy rules in this version of Mafia - some townies may know or not know each other, which I admit would be a huge departure from common Mafia. I still find your eagerness to jump on people being connected as being Mafia pretty sniffy though. For now I will change my vote because of this behavior.

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Vote: swordgard

If town knows enough town, they have a good idea of whom to lynch and whom not to lynch, which is pretty OP because if 5 town people know each other and there is 4 mafia, these 5 people will most probably never get lynched by town and quickly figure out who mafia is.

Townsies can know each other if they are masons, but masons rarely come in anything but pairs, otherwise its broken for bandwagons too.


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vote bardull

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Fair enough. I just simply wanted a more thorough explanation of that. It's suspicious, but these dangone inactives need to go more then a small hunch I have, and I stand by that.

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Vote:Reflex

 

[ShadowLink84]

Hmm, that is true, I would prefer to get rid of the inactives, since one who does not contribute is a greater detriment than one that contributes, albeit poorly but contributes.

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vote:reflex

 

[Scamp]

Stop posting all those foolish Phoenix Wright pictures with foolish arguments from one fool about a fool and another equally foolish fool.

Seriously, though, you guys are confusing the crap out of me.

 

[BarDulL]

Reflex is at MLG, so I'm not sure how much more active he can get at this time.

My vote is still for Chibo, of course. I still stand by what I've said so far about him.

 

[Omni]

just got home.

uh yeah, toDay is distinguishing the Day of the Mafia game as opposed today represents April 17. glad to know you're investigating Swordgard.

adumbrodeus is ********. you don't figure out who the entire scum team is based on a Day and a half worth of posting. the novel he's going to produce on whatever argument he makes should be called "Extreme Tunneling: How to Play a Horrible Townie Game". i'll be happy if mafia offs him off so i wont have to deal with his confusing/non-sensical posting

chibo is attempting to omgus me, again, saying that my aggressive attitude toward this game is making him feel comfortable. yet im sure that Marc will confirm that my normal style of play is aggressive. he also fails to see the reason why myself and bardull has made a case against him and has yet to respond to the accusations. rather, he proceeds as if the accusations don't exist. bull**** if u ask me. totally cool with chibo dying especially since this bandwagon has been tough to start. makes me feel like a few mafia members are resisting since a good enough case has been built on chibo to qualify a good bandwagon.

uh, who else, .joel is making me uncomfortable for the most part. i disagree with his post about Swordgard but i cant necessarily find anything scummy about him.

shadowlink makes me more uncomfortable than .joel and would probably be my 2nd lynch candidate if i wasnt so happy being aboard the chibo express.

marc isnt talkin enough. content with bardull. tolerating scamp. content with edrees.

 

[Omni]

shadowlink, what are your thoughts on chibo?

 

[CT Chia]

People need to chill with the swordgard votes imo
vote count plz

kupo!

tbh, I thought the exact same thing he did. I've never heard of this toDay and yesterDay terminology before, despite being in a ton of games before this.

I decided to gun for Omni again after realizing this because the restriction (as I thought it was) applied to like 3-4 people, which could have possibly been a mafia wide restriction. Would have been mad lame (but with 2 obv restrictions out there already whataya expect) but I almost wanted to test it by the flip of one of them with the "restriction"

I still have my doubts about Omni, it's just that the whole toDay business is what made me vote for him again

 

[Omni]

I decided to gun for Omni again after realizing this because the restriction (as I thought it was) applied to like 3-4 people, which could have possibly been a mafia wide restriction. Would have been mad lame (but with 2 obv restrictions out there already whataya expect) but I almost wanted to test it by the flip of one of them with the "restriction"

I still have my doubts about Omni, it's just that the whole toDay business is what made me vote for him again

Why do you not suggest me as a lynch candidate for today with how much you're pushing for me?

After reading a lot (everything since my last post, + more including a lot of D1 stuff), I'm just really not feeling Omni's play. Everything seems far too aggressive for him. I can also see some premature townie WIFOM from him with posts like reminding people what OS said on the last page.

inconsistent argument is inconsistent, chibo.

 

[ShadowLink84]

shadowlink, what are your thoughts on chibo?

I am somewhat lacking in sleep so I shall be blunt.
i think he is being stupid.


One thing I do have to ask, is how would he know its a restriction?
It is a term that is used in game, and Bardull showed he wasn't restricted.
So its three possibilities.
1. No restriction, its just a game term.
2. Restricted.
3. Pretending to be restricted.

Either way I do think it is a poor reason to suspect someone of being scum.

One other thing is the aggressive behavior.
Typically, one would perhaps be disconcerted with it, but since day 1 had very little contribution, it is warranted.


His reasoning is just too poor and I don't believe it is within reason to try and make an argument of it.

I still believe he is either indy or townie, which in either case, he is proving to be more of a hindrance than of help.

Adumbrodeus where is that essay you were constructing?

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[Omni]

haha, interesting. what makes you think he is indy or townie but definitely not scum?

 

[Marc]

It's also important to note that, if the Vigilante did take the shot, there are obvious pros and cons to role claiming now. If the Vigilante did take the shot, would Town want him verifying it?

TERRIBLE IDEA

You took it back like immediately, but I really hope you didn't put silly ideas into anyone's head.

Scamp, this point is very helpful.

adumbrodeus, are you Cyan? If not, why are you aware of there being another Cyan?

Vote: adumbrodeus

...

Stop ****ing name/rolefishing.



I really don't understand why adumbrodeus claimed like he did, but it wasn't a smart move. I think we should believe his claim for toDay, meaning he's not the lynch.

I understand Swordgard's mistake with the toDay etc... I thought it was a posting restriction myself the first time I saw it. It was in a Turtles mafia game, so I figured the person using it might be Donatello because of the D. =X However, the conclusion drawn by Swordgard from it was really bad. It's a case so weak I doubt Mafia would have tried to pull it off.

While I don't feel comfortable buddying anyone, I think Omni's playing style is perfectly consistent with how I know him. He can be aggressive and dominant, but that will only lead Town astray if no one else thinks for themselves. I find it weird that Chibo thinks otherwise, he should be getting the same vibes from Omni I am. I've been basing my assumption that Chibo probably isn't Mafia on him having a vote manipulating ability. However, it's fairly weak till endgame (though somewhat broken then =/) and maybe I shouldn't base my ideas about him on game theory. Whatever the case, like pretty much everyone else I didn't like his ability usage on Day 1. It seemed very desperate to me. I've been considering Jester because of his poor play and posting restriction, but I've never seen a Jester with an actual power, one that seems to contradict his winning condition (getting lynched) at that. Right now a Chibo lynch will probably net us the most info regardless of the flip, but I don't like the idea he might actually win the game because of that.

I think people jumping on the Reflex bandwagon are taking the easy way out, especially because he seems to be at an MLG event. It makes it very easy for Mafia to jump aboard and get away with it, becausing voting off quiet people can be a pro-Town thing to do. I think we've had enough discussion to try and lynch Mafia rather than gamble on quiet people.

So what's everyone think about a reflex wagon? He's just dead weight as of now. Not posting whatsoever, and giving nothing of substance when he does.

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Vote: Reflex

I find it curious Hilt brought back the Reflex wagon, considering he hasn't been that vocal himself until recently.

 

[Marc]

I'm apparently not the only one who thinks Chibo is more likely to be independent. Independents aren't our friends either though.

 

[ShadowLink84]

haha, interesting. what makes you think he is indy or townie but definitely not scum?

Hmmm, I would primarily have to say it is also based on the other player's.
Each time he has tried to attack you, the reasoning is very poor, wouldn't he have attempted to use much more other than "You're playing aggressively" or "Posting restrictions".

It doesn't seem to be done with any actual purpose other than to simply be a distraction.
If he was mafia, wouldn't there have been some more to his argument, enough to manipulate the rest of townie into suspecting you?

It appears that his vote, his suspicions and arguments are more a sign of a grudge.

Why do you feel that he may be scum?

 

[Omni]

scum = anyone who isn't town = indy or mafia

i've already explained why i think he is scum. i have no explanation as to why i think he would be either indy or mafia because all that matters is that i believe he is scum.

also, i believe one or two people jumped on his weak argument bandwagon attempt now that i think about it. i should go back and see who those people were.

 

[Omni]

o wait nm. it was just swordgard voting and unvoting me twice because he was suspicious about the toDay terminology

 

[ShadowLink84]

Ah thats right, sorry about that, its 2:30am and m running on 3 hours of sleep.
I want chocolate ice cream...
or cookies..

 

[Marc]

I want to hear more from Chibo. Also still debating whether the people I mentioned in my post were foolish or actually scum.

 

[BarDulL]

I want to hear more from Chibo. Also still debating whether the people I mentioned in my post were foolish or actually scum.

It was for the sake of argument, Marc. I think I've made it clear that I don't think it's a good idea at all.

 

[Shaya]

Okay Adum. I must ask though why you were painting a target on your head earlier though... Im sorry I didnt jump on this earlier [everybody], but Im just left with a lot of questions.

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[EdreesesPieces]

I just went back through this entire thread and ready every post. What a cluster****, sweet jesus I think I'm more confused than I was before. It's so hard to figure people's intentions out. I can DEFINITELY see why flavor isn't a good idea after going back and reading through everything.

 

[Red Arremer]

vote count plz

Sorry, I was asleep until now. I'll catch up to the thread after this post.

Bardull: Scamp, swordgard (2)
swordgard: .joel (1)
Reflex: Darkmusician, Hilt, Edrees (3)
Chibo: Omni, Bardull (2)
Omni: Chibo (1)

It takes 8 to lynch.