BBR Game: Final Fantasy 6 Mafia

[Red Arremer]

Bardull: Scamp (1)
swordgard: swordgard (1)
adumbrodeus: Shaya (1)
DarkMusician: Chibo (1)
Reflex: .joel, Darkmusician, Hilt, Edrees (4)
Chibo: Omni, Bardull (2)

It takes 8 to lynch.

 

[BarDulL]

Adumbrodeus, even if you are mason partners with Cyan, that does not guarantee him to be Town-aligned.

Oh, an interesting idea hit me.

OS said "Oh, and by the by? Keep your identity secret. Trust me on that one. Don't give out your character name, ability, nothing."

But...isn't there someone that everyone has already figured out the identity to? I'm extremely curious as to why nothing has happened because of it.

 

[Red Arremer]

...

Wait, I thought he pushed it up and it was 3 today.

April 23, noon EST.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

It's possible adumbbrodeus is fooling with us and making us look like he's town aligned, fearing for his dear life against the dreaded hated Mafia. I don't understand why you are suddenly worried Mafia's out to get you. Suspicious.

Yeah deadline's next Fri, not today.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

By the way, very satisfying answer on why flavor is bad. I will try to avoid the topic until we have more things actually confirmed.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Adumbrodeus, even if you are mason partners with Cyan, that does not guarantee him to be Town-aligned.

Oh, an interesting idea hit me.

OS said "Oh, and by the by? Keep your identity secret. Trust me on that one. Don't give out your character name, ability, nothing."

But...isn't there someone that everyone has already figured out the identity to? I'm extremely curious as to why nothing has happened because of it.

Same basic principal as before, when I revealed that I knew who Cyan was and that it's not swordgard, if I know who Cyan is, why is it such a jump that I know the alignment?


Since I don't seem to be overly concerned with dying, me dying gives an obvious reason to trust me, I'd be revealed as townie and therefore have absolutely no reason to lie.


As best I can tell it's not OS who causes problems for people who reveal roles since it's not discouraged in the rules, I can only guess that it's other players who cause problems for you.

April 23, noon EST.

I'm changing the Day 2 deadline to 3 p.m. on Friday, April 23rd, EST (from noon).

I'm not going to let crashboards determine when days end, otherwise I could inadvertantly affect the game, but 9 a.m. is a little early for some people to be posting. Hopefully this'll be easier for other players.




I mention in the rules that warnings and punishments will be given for breaking the rules, but I did not say whether or not they would be public nor that they'd all be the same.

Ok, so 3 o'clock next week.


Yeah, I've got time.

 

[adumbrodeus]

It's possible adumbbrodeus is fooling with us and making us look like he's town aligned, fearing for his dear life against the dreaded hated Mafia. I don't understand why you are suddenly worried Mafia's out to get you. Suspicious.

Yeah deadline's next Fri, not today.

Well me getting lynched means that you get the same information anyway, so if the mafia chooses not to kill me, lynching me is a reasonable option.



And yes, I will have the essay up then soon, I intend to indict exactly 3 people as mafia, and once I get confirmed as trustworthy, I hope you guys will be willing to kill them off, in order.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Also, I wouldn't qualify my behavior as "afraid", more like "resigned".

 

[CT Chia]

kupo!

what is the whole vig business and scamp ppl keep talking about? I feel like I missed something

outside of reflex/hilt/darkm, who do u think is the play? meaning... who do you consider a good lynch candidate for toDay

Why do you not suggest me as a lynch candidate for today with how much you're pushing for me?

After reading a lot (everything since my last post, + more including a lot of D1 stuff), I'm just really not feeling Omni's play. Everything seems far too aggressive for him. I can also see some premature townie WIFOM from him with posts like reminding people what OS said on the last page.

As annoying the inactives are, the more I think about it the more we would be lynching off of not scumtells, which with how much this game has progressed, isn't a bad thing. If we are wary of said inactive then I can snare them or w/e

Unvote Vote Omni

 

[swordgard]

Edrees my bad on the FoS I thought I had found something about thee but was wrong.


unvote
vote Bardull



I do too feel like Omni is being very controlling overall, so has bardull a bit tbh. A bandwagon would sure be helpful atm to get some info. I'l have to say that so far mafia has been playing very well, we still have no clear idea of whom it could be.

 

[BarDulL]

Do you have a problem with what I've said so far, Swordgard?

 

[swordgard]

I have a problem with what multiple people have been saying, yesterday and today.


unvote
vote: Omni

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Edrees my bad on the FoS I thought I had found something about thee but was wrong.


unvote
vote Bardull



I do too feel like Omni is being very controlling overall, so has bardull a bit tbh. A bandwagon would sure be helpful atm to get some info. I'l have to say that so far mafia has been playing very well, we still have no clear idea of whom it could be.

There's no need to apologize for suspecting me, that's what we are supposed to do if we want to get anywhere. I was only curious as to the reasoning, but yeah that clears that up.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

adumbrodeus..hmmm...you are right, it is more like resigned. it's an interesting distinction. I'm still trying to figure out what kind of information is so useful to the point where you'd basically be willing to die to get it out.

If you are town aligned and die, and town ends up winning the game, does that still count as a win for you? I would think so, so if that's the case, then I understand your reasoning.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

What I mean is that psychologically, even if we die, and town ends up winning the game, i consider that a victory.

 

[swordgard]

Did thou lose thy tongue bardull?


unvote
vote Bardull



I will post what I found in about 2 hours once I am done with everything I have to do.

 

[BarDulL]

Did thou lose thy tongue bardull?


unvote
vote Bardull



I will post what I found in about 2 hours once I am done with everything I have to do.

I'm not sure what your game is, but you seem to be doing what I was doing at the start of the game: gun smoke effect.

Regardless, I'd love to hear some of your insight, preferably sooner rather than later. So far, all I've heard from you is "I have a problem with what multiple people have been saying, yesterday and today."

Nothing tangible that I can work with at all.

While you're here, how do you feel about Chibo and Scamp?

 

[adumbrodeus]

My view on mafia is not that players win, sides win. If town wins, everyone who is a member of that faction wins, dead or alive. If Mafia wins, every member of that faction wins, dead or alive.


If for example, you're fighting in a war, and you get killed during the war, but your country/alliance wins, you still won.


What I believe very strongly is that I have picked up on 3 members of the mafia and can support it.


One is bad enough, but 3... that attracts a great deal of attention. I dunno, you guys know who I've been on to and if you read the thread over carefully (especially WHEN people take actions) you might be able to pick up on the trail I did.


I'm considering holding off on the reveal cause it has a greater impact if people figure it out on their own.

 

[swordgard]

Or if thou picked up on the same trail as I did, thou should end up with 4 suspects. Adumbrodeus, if i reveal my hint in 2 hours will thou reveal thy's? What I found either confirms mafia or independents almost 100% sure.


unvote
vote: omni


How do I feel about chibo and scamp? I feel like they are not in my list of suspects.

 

[BarDulL]

*facepalm*

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Bardull, it's smoking gun, not gun smoke...lol, you're getting closer.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Yeah I'm shocked to . How the hell would you guys pick up on all this so quickly? I sure can't wait to hear this. Going as far as having 3 mafia members known!? That's a lot. Looking forward to your explanation.

 

[BarDulL]

Whoops! Haha. But yes, I meant "smoking gun" effect, of course.

 

[Red Arremer]

I really can't wait to see both adumbrodeus' and swordgard's arguments and posts.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Can we know sooner rather than later?
It sounds more that you're forming the argument along the way, hence saying to wait 2 hours.

 

[Marc]

I'm behind a page and got home later than I expected. I'll catch up within a day, just letting you know I'm still alive.

 

[ShadowLink84]

WOAH! *is blinded by SSBB MLG live banneronhis screen*

 

[Shaya]

Im bringing it up now because I ended that post with something of a different note.
I was aware of it, and it has been completely irking me to no end, since.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

can we please limit off topic discussoin to the social thread? It's gonna be a pain reading through spam for people who haven't checked in awhile, and makes it harder to keep up.

 

[Shaya]

That was at scamp btw.

 

[swordgard]

I am surprised nobody noticed this before. Please post the reasoning thou made adumbrodeus btw.

Omni,Bardull, Marc and .joel all have the same restriction, and none of them seem surprised or even mentionned it when they saw others post the same way. For some reason they all post toDay and Yesterday, which is really awkward. Here are all the posts so far with these:

For .joel :
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10059731&postcount=427



For bardull:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10052085&postcount=347
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10029239&postcount=189

For marc:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10008606&postcount=131
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9994333&postcount=77

For Omni:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10059573&postcount=422
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10046744&postcount=263
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10051907&postcount=342



Alright, now for the current possibilities:
A) They all had the same posting restriction and noticed but decided just to "wink" at each other. Very unlikely.
B) Marc had the original posting restriction, all the rest started doing it for the lulz without anyone else noticing. Also very unlikely.
C) They are in 2 by 2 parties (mason-like) and decided not to reveal to everyone else in front of the other team in other to stay off radar. Very unlikely too since at any moment the other team could reveal the posting restriction.

D) They are a group of independants. Unlikely that a group of independants would be as big as 4 people out of 15.
E) Mafia consists of 4 people, which is a lot for 15 people. Thus, they were given a slight nerf on a posting restriction.


Better explain thy-self and fast. I personally say we lynch one, if he turns out mafia or independent we will have our answer.


unvote
vote: bardull

 

[BarDulL]

...I am so confused right now.

 

[BarDulL]

What is the posting restriction you say we all have?

 

[Red Arremer]

We are saying "toDay", "yesterDay" or "toNight", because the days don't take 1 day. So if I said that you posted "yesterDay", I mean that you posted on Day 1, because saying "yesterday" isn't correct in chronological sense.

 

[Red Arremer]

Also, that is what I gathered. I never saw this way of posting before, but thinking about it, it made sense to me, as "today" =/= "Day X", since day phases take longer than 1 day.

 

[ShadowLink84]

....

What?
I am a bit confused.

 

[swordgard]

Really?
Can anyone in other games confirm this? Thats not how I usually referred to previous days >.>


unvote
vote omni

 

[BarDulL]

...

Swordgard, it's game terminology.

 

[ShadowLink84]

What? Swordgard that makes no sense.
You're trying to take the investigation, and turn it on something that is insignificant.
Why would they "wink" at each other in such a manner when they can communicate amongst each other in PM's?

Let alone, even if they are mason's, why would you be so intent on role fishing?
Is it not counter productive?

I want an explanation why you felt that such an EXTREMELY small fact required so much attention when it really doesn't indicate much of anything.

 

[Red Arremer]

Alright, that's enough for me. Usually, I'm very neutral in most games of mafia, and I don't tend to do a writeup like this, but I'm fully convinced now.

I've been watching him since he entered the game. And I think swordgard just proved himself to be either indy or mafia, so I'm sure that he should be lynched.

His posting restriction is obvious (I'm not speaking of the "thou"s, but the fact he has to change his vote with every post), so it's clear he has some sort of power. Of course this is flavour. Since I agree with Omni that role-fishing and going simply by flavour is extremely anti-town, this is not my only point.

Additionally to the metagame, he has been extremely aggressive towards almost everyone since the very beginning (not speaking of his votes there), but very uncooperative on the other hand. He hardly provided any insight into his actions and statements, and if he did, his "arguments" usually consisted of "it's so obvious what I'm doing" and "you're all so dumb", etc.

He apparently is one of the more experienced players in this round, and he knows that we have quite a few inexperienced players here, so I think he uses this tactic and statements like "it's so obvious" to scare the more inexperienced players from making a case against him, yet alone voting him.

What happened right now... I don't know whether it was intended to be clever and try to abuse the newer players' lack of knowledge, or he was indeed that stupid. In any way, he first announced his "discovery" to be a huge hint that will crush all of our current investigations.
Instead, he just brought up a connection between 4 people who use some game terminology that others don't.
So, he makes a mountain out of a molehill, and that could've been avoided by just asking. The question is - why didn't he ask? This leads me to only two possible conclusions:
Possibility 1: He is trying to jam our investigations by throwing in a completely unnecessary show, distracting us and confusing the more inexperienced players with this, so that they follow along.
Possibility 2: He was very dumb.

And I doubt possibility 2 is actually true.
So, screw Reflex and his inactivity, we can lynch him later:

Unvote
Vote: swordgard