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[#HBC | ZoZo]

Back to the point of this thread. How do I fight Oli and Lucario? I don't have a lot of MU experience vs either and I'm afraid of what'll happen if I come across one.

Pffft, Oli is a strange guy to fight.

You can outcamp him but it's hard, and sometimes I feel like even though I'm outcamping him he's still winning.
Jab is **** in this match-up.
Olimar must approach, you can punish pretty much all his aerials with jcus oos.
Watch out for his nair, watch out for his dthrow combos, never run after an olimar (pivot grab). Jab is just sex here. remove pikmanz with nair

Lucario
we just discussed this, I'm sure you can find the discussion with the search function. up close jab, on range laser. watch out with phantasm.

 

[Jon?]

Back to the point of this thread. How do I fight Oli and Lucario? I don't have a lot of MU experience vs either and I'm afraid of what'll happen if I come across one.

I play against some of the best Olimars at my local tournies. Olimar is strongest on the ground. His grabs are ridiculous and his camping skills are pretty good. Just know the range of his pikmin so you can laser camp to the maximum. Never shield or land in front of him, it'll just end up in a grab.

I think phantasm is key in the matchup. Falco has aerial superiority and any chance of plopping Olimar in the air is important. CG to spike works well, but some they can meteor cancel if they weren't spiked around 40%. Nair is important to get pikmin off of you.

 

[Tin Man]

Lucario
we just discussed this, I'm sure you can find the discussion with the search function. up close jab, on range laser. watch out with phantasm.

This is legit info

I think phantasm is key in the matchup. Falco has aerial superiority and any chance of plopping Olimar in the air is important. CG to spike works well, but some they can meteor cancel if they weren't spiked around 40%. Nair is important to get pikmin off of you.

Yellow pikmin Usmash can go through phantasm, and Nair and Utilt of Olimar also goes through it, use it sparingly/unpredictably OR ELSE

Olimar can DI up out of chain grab pretty early

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Yellow pikmin Usmash can go through phantasm, and Nair and Utilt of Olimar also goes through it, use it sparingly/unpredictably OR ELSE

Olimar can DI up out of chain grab pretty early

We have 0-27 and dair on him iirc.
If started later probably till 18 or summit.


To continue the trend of asking questions, what were our options on ness grab releasing again?

 

[Jon?]

I think you can dacus after a ground release. Not too sure though.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I think you can dacus after a ground release. Not too sure though.

gatling or sliding?

 

[llBluBll]

Sliding Dacus works on Ness and Lucas after Air-Release.
(Also works on: Meta Knight, Donkey Kong, Squirtle and Charizard)

 

[mr.fizwidget]

what are everyone's thoughts on a diddy falco team?

i think the potential is amazing...

 

[stingers]

its terrible...just use mk

 

[BleachigoZX]

what are everyone's thoughts on a diddy falco team?

i think the potential is amazing...

I like the walls they build.

 

[Jon?]

nah, grounded and air tornado is a better wall.

 

[Rog~er]

hey i'm new to falco, just wanna know what control settings do you guys use to incorporate DACUS, IAP and Boost Pivot Grab

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

hey i'm new to falco, just wanna know what control settings do you guys use to incorporate DACUS, IAP and Boost Pivot Grab

DACUS I use L for attack, attack slides farther then grab.
IAP I use X for special, you can use one of your unused jump buttons for it
and boost pivot I do with normal controls

 

[Yumewomiteru]

DACUS use R for attack, Gatling just flick c-stick down then up, I use Z to jump so IAPs are no problem for me, boost pivot I use L (shield) to do the grab.

 

[Emperor Time]

If he's been playing w/ default controls, it's better to just use L for attack.

 

[superglucose]

Ok so what's the combo on Lucario? I've seen people do dthrow->dthrow->spike->dthrow->spike (repeat ad nauseum). Do I need to pivot or is there a way to control my movement before and during the spike to be in position for a regrab?

 

[mr.fizwidget]

its terrible...just use mk

nah, grounded and air tornado is a better wall.

thanks bros...

 

[Jon?]

No problem, fix

 

[Palpi]

Of my 3 chars I feel comfertable using, Falco is my best against Snakes. I still have trouble fighting very good ones. If he is crawling, how should i approach camping him if my lasers won't hit?

Any other tips on this MU would really help! Thanks.

 

[Rog~er]

is there a falco stage discussion on these boards? need falco's stage tricks...

 

[mr.fizwidget]

meta knight doesnt have any bad stages so you should try playing him...

and tornado is a good approach for a crouching snake...

 

[stingers]

meta knight is bad on green greens...or so i heard

 

[Yumewomiteru]

meta knight is bad against Snake on Green Greens, too bad GG isn't legal in EC

 

[AvoiD]

Of my 3 chars I feel comfertable using, Falco is my best against Snakes. I still have trouble fighting very good ones. If he is crawling, how should i approach camping him if my lasers won't hit?

Any other tips on this MU would really help! Thanks.

IAP, play around with SH Airdodges, and just mixing/mindgaming with lasers.

My opinion at least, since I honestly think I know the Snake matchup like the front of my ****. :D

 

[Hawks go Caw]

IAP, play around with SH Airdodges, and just mixing/mindgaming with lasers.

My opinion at least, since I honestly think I know the Snake matchup like the front of my ****. :D

He said "approach camping." Oxymoron >_>

Anyways, if you need to know how to camp a crouching Snake, the answer is just stand there. A lot of people feel compelled to do ledge dropped lasers or Phantasm, but really, if you're trying to camp you can just stay still and go make a peanut butter jelly sandwich. He's on his belly. He can do 4 things: crawl forward, crawl backward, stand up, Dtilt; not really menacing in any sense.

If you're trying to approach a prone Snake, well his blind side is above and behind him. You can go for a Phatasm if you'd like, but it's possible for him to beat it out with his Dtilt. Short Hop aerial would probably be the way to go, but keep in mind that if he sees it coming, he can just get up and shield or Utilt or whatever.

Maybe downward Ftilt or Fsmash. Not sure if his Dtilt has better range though.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Hey HgC, long time no see.
How are you? :D <- counts as a qusestion.

 

[Jon?]

Be careful with your IAP and make sure you space them correctly. A suspecting prone Snake can easily, shield phantasm and punish your IAP with a turn around Ftilt or Utilt.

 

[Hawks go Caw]

Hey HgC, long time no see.
How are you? :D <- counts as a qusestion.

I'm alright. I'm hungry. I'm about to play Brawl for the first time in 3 months and offline Brawl for the second time in 6.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm alright. I'm hungry. I'm about to play Brawl for the first time in 3 months and offline Brawl for the second time in 6.

Good luck with that. When in doubt laser camp! hihi.
You gonna post moar?

 

[Hawks go Caw]

Good luck with that. When in doubt laser camp! hihi.
You gonna post moar?

Probably; I've been working so much that I never got to play and so the more I was on Smashboards the harder it was to walk away from the game. But now that school's in session, I can play Brawl on Thursdays.

 

[Palpi]

Yeah I just noticed I said approach camping. Approach the concept of camping, not the opponent haha.

 

[Rog~er]

is there a falco stage discussion on these boards? need falco's stage tricks...

so i'm just gonna be ignored...

 

[Denzi]

so i'm just gonna be ignored...

Sometimes questions just get missed. Yes, there is, but it's kinda slowed down atm. If you have any questions about how to play on a specific stage, I'll be glad to help as best I can.

 

[Mike B]

Please explain your 'bread,' and why you don't like to share it.

 

[thexsunrosered]

So I've read all over that aerials don't clash, and that its either both characters are hit or one is hit, with the one with the stronger/faster one beating out the slower one, but I've clashed with Metaknights glide attack at least 20 times with bair before where neither of us take damage and the attacks cancel out. Tell me how

 

[SuSa]

A glide attack has transcendent priority, which means it technically has "Infinite, but limited" priority.

It will clank with any hitbox.
ANY hitbox.

So nothing out prioritizes it, but it doesn't out prioritize anything either.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Is there a list of all the moves that have transcendent property?

 

[thexsunrosered]

A glide attack has transcendent priority, which means it technically has "Infinite, but limited" priority.

It will clank with any hitbox.
ANY hitbox.

So nothing out prioritizes it, but it doesn't out prioritize anything either.

ohh gotcha, I knew that it had that kind of priority, but I didn't know about the 'limited' part, only the 'infinite' lol

Is there a list of all the moves that have transcendent property?

=Metaknight's Sword

 

[Yumewomiteru]

just MK? what about marth's? I read that his dancing blade has transcending.

 

[Denzi]

just MK? what about marth's? I read that his dancing blade has transcending.

Yup. And our lasers. Probably some others.