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[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I'm pretty sure you have to do buffered grabs against certain characters.

ZSS, G&W, and Olimar to be exact.

I don't see how you buffer a grab from a walk. During a walk the grab will come out as soon as you hit the grab button.

From a dash you could buffer a grab, but do you buffer a dash grab from dthrow or do you simply buffer a dash, then buffer a grab in the middle of the dash since a dash has a certain amount of frames where you cannot do anything.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Pfft.

As soon as the last laser is shot, tap forward.
As soon as the dash animation starts, press grab.


???

profit

 

[Jon?]

For a running CG, you to buffer the dash and then the grab in order to grab certain characters. For walking CG, you just hold forward after your throw and grab while they are in the air. It requires some amount of buffering.

 

[AvoiD]

Doesn't matter you cannot DI out of it once it hits.

At high percents, I think you can.

 

[Roxas1988]

For a running CG, you to buffer the dash and then the grab in order to grab certain characters. For walking CG, you just hold forward after your throw and grab while they are in the air. It requires some amount of buffering.

You really only need to buffer in certain situations.

 

[SuSa]

Anyone have a list of what %'s you can jab someone after a dthrow?

(Every % counts)

 

[BleachigoZX]

Anyone have a list of what %'s you can jab someone after a dthrow?

(Every % counts)

Would you want me to exclude anything > 45%?

 

[Orion*]

Anyone have a list of what %'s you can jab someone after a dthrow?

(Every % counts)

i would like this list as well

 

[SuSa]

Would you want me to exclude anything > 45%?

I only care about after CG %'s. So no, I want you to exclude anything < 45%. lol

 

[BleachigoZX]

I'll PM you someting mid-week, I'm very curious to the point where I'm actually going to test something.

 

[stingers]

no post it in here we want to see it too @.@

 

[BleachigoZX]

no post it in here we want to see it too @.@

Yeah, sure.
I meant that because SuSa is more of a Snake guy, I don't want scanning these threads evert 10mins.

 

[Orion*]

for chars like jiggs/samus/peach if its below 45% that the jab doesnt work i would like to know ._.

im way to lazy plus i dont have a wii to test these for myself XD

 

[SuSa]

I lurk everywhere, I know things I shouldn't. Also that last bit made no sense. "I don't want scanning these threads every 10 mins."

I was more or less curious of how common knowledge it was and if the %'s were known.

Every little aspect like that actually matters in gameplay, but I never see people use it. I think that's the only thing that makes me any better then a decent player. I pay attention to such small details like that.

Something I found out from a DDD main:
DDD can dtilt Snake at the edge after a dthrow. They dtilt by only partially holding down, so they dtilt from a standing position. Rather then crouching first.

I feel that tidbit of knowledge can matter for a LOT of characters. And I know many of people who don't know about it. O_o and (suprisingly) I didn't know either...

 

[stingers]

i dont bother with jab after dthrow cuz gatling combo/dacus are more reliable...but i can see why its useful

 

[SuSa]

If the %'s happen after gatling combo %'s (where they can DI away) then that means it's still the extra jab %.

 

[BleachigoZX]

SuSa, I meant "I don't want him..."

 

[SuSa]

I figured that, was just clarifying.

But I already browse these threads nearly every 10 minutes. :x

 

[Admiral Pit]

Well um, this question is on the Pit v Falco matchup, but there's a bit more to it.

I would like to know the names of intermediate to expert Falco players who also have a ton of Pit experience.
The reason for this is because I have a document of which I want to store all Pit matchups in, and I want the experienced Falcos' point-of-view on the matchup to help with the matchup discussions.

What I ask is for those Falcos with tons of Pit experience to contact me (or I'll contact them, mostly on AIM if they have one when I get their names) to write a detailed summary on the Pt v Falco matchup, which includes priorities, and Stage CPs, you know. Many Pit players have asked me to get info from the top tier chars first, so, yea.

Could u help me out with this mission guys to get the inputs of veteran Falcos who have a lot of Pit experience for the matchup? :/

 

[AvoiD]

Ozz probaly has the most knowledge of the Pit matchup, since him and kown play often.

 

[thexsunrosered]

honestly, I forgot pit was a character

 

[Admiral Pit]

Any other Falcos with the Pit experience, and how I can contact Ozz?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I played abit with nikenick, but I'm knowledgeable about Falco overall. You can contact me if you need help with information on falco or summit.


And susa read my mind, was about to ask about those percentages yesterday but forgot about it and went to bed, lulz.

 

[moyshe]

Whats the best way to learn how to buffer your grab?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Whats the best way to learn how to buffer your grab?

Press (your desired input, in this case Z) in the last 10 frames of the previous animation.


Like, the definition of buffering

 

[BleachigoZX]

Any other Falcos with the Pit experience, and how I can contact Ozz?

Just Plank.

Planking Arrows with Pit is viable since you are "Camping from a safe spot and actively hitting your opponent"

 

[thexsunrosered]

Just Plank.

Planking Arrows with Pit is viable since you are "Camping from a safe spot and actively hitting your opponent"

ewwww

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Just Plank.

Planking Arrows with Pit is viable since you are "Camping from a safe spot and actively hitting your opponent"

Can't Falco just spam down-b?

 

[BleachigoZX]

Pit can angle the Arrows, if he has % lead, this tactic is near unbeatble with Falco.

 

[shadow-gate]

rofl. using falco breaks in an easy 50%, then spams lasers for the rest of the match. good sheeeeet

 

[BleachigoZX]

Pit can CG-Combo Falco to the same % right?

 

[thexsunrosered]

Pit can CG-Combo Falco to the same % right?

I think its somewhere around 50-55

 

[Admiral Pit]

Pit can CG-Combo Falco to the same % right?

I don't remember Pit being able to do so, some say til 30%, never did it because of Falco's common nature of his own CG and camping away.
Someone should check if Pit could CG Falco again. If he could CG Fox and Wolf due to their fastfalling, then maybe Falco should suffer from it too.
I do know that he can do that F-throw to Stutterstep Fsmash if the Falco's at 0%, a quick 29-30% damage, when you start at 0.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

With buffer it's about 30% IIRC.

Plankpit is legit btw, only trouble is that falco has less trouble getting a hit offstage against pit because of pits range (it's nice, don't get me wrong. but bair is sex)

 

[Jon?]

I think the key against Pit is to outspam him with lasers and mix in a few reflectors to push away some arrows. I think IAP is pretty essential in this matchup in order to get in closer.

I fought a pretty annoying Pit once. He would throw me and follow up with arrows, even if I just flew 2 feet away. Let me say this: there were more arrows than lasers..

 

[BetaZealot]

You know how Larry side b's like into the floor?

Is that just a IAP or something else?

Can you guys tell me how to do it?


ALSO: my friend called it a DEHF cancel...is that what it is?

 

[Yumewomiteru]

I think I found out something, not sure if it's known or not, probably known already actually.

If you Dacus with Falco using Attack rather than Grab, you have a few more early frames to do it than Dacusing with Grab. And if you Dacus during those frames you will have a longer slide (about 1.5 times longer) than dacus with grab.

 

[stingers]

what does that even mean

 

[BleachigoZX]

I think I found out something, not sure if it's known or not, probably known already actually.

If you Dacus with Falco using Attack rather than Grab, you have a few more early frames to do it than Dacusing with Grab. And if you Dacus during those frames you will have a longer slide (about 1.5 times longer) than dacus with grab.

Yeahh, thats known.

 

[stingers]

does he mean to change the grab in z to attack?