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[Tennet]

ok, thanks that helps to know =D

 

[BleachigoZX]

Let me all tell you something nice:

This thread is owned (created by) a Marth main.

 

[Denzi]

Let me tell you all something nice:

This thread is owned (created by) a Marth main.

^Grammar.

And that isn't really a question. Keep it in the Bakery.

 

[Tennet]

hes a MK main now lol

 

[Palpi]

I think the problem with a lot of falco's I see is that they get to ancy to rack percents or for the kills and their SHDL approaches for a dash attack, or jab or upsmash gets predictable and they get punished for it.

Denzi prolly couldn't stress this more, be patient and wait to punish a mistake because you'll get punished otherwise.

 

[mars16]

Why does Falco seem like he has an unfair advantage over most character.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You're doing it again.


If you're gonna ask a question ask one that's productive or at least worth our time.

He has an unfair advantage because of lasers and chaingrab spike, which are the basics of a Falco's game against those characters, happy with your answer? or is your brain incapable of producing such a simple answer?

 

[mars16]

Well thanks for your answer.

 

[Smoom77]

I looked the Falco guide, but I couldn't find any frame data. I only need one thing. How many start-up frames does his airdodge have? I would really appreciate if you could VM me instead of posting here because I'm doing a mass search of airdodge data.

 

[AvoiD]

I looked the Falco guide, but I couldn't find any frame data. I only need one thing. How many start-up frames does his airdodge have? I would really appreciate if you could VM me instead of posting here because I'm doing a mass search of airdodge data.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=187546

Air Dodge:
Lasts 49 Frames
Invincible Frames 4 – 31

I'll PM it as well.

 

[Tin Man]

When Falco uses the reflector during the hit box frames (on the way out) G&W's Ftilt and Diddy's Fair can reflect the reflector and it hurts Falco. is there a thread were this has been discussed or can I create one?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

When Falco uses the reflector during the hit box frames (on the way out) G&W's Ftilt and Diddy's Fair can reflect the reflector and it hurts Falco. is there a thread were this has been discussed or can I create one?

Not true, all a lie.

 

[Tin Man]

there is a video onthe Diddy kong boards that shows it, maybe I should get more info from theirthread and come back with the result.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

there is a video onthe Diddy kong boards that shows it, maybe I should get more info from theirthread and come back with the result.

Lol go ahead.

You're only making a fool out of yourself.

 

[Tin Man]

I found the answer

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=249132

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

On another diddy kong related matter, can diddy's glide toss down and totally avoid our reflector being hit by the shine? - Diddy being hit by the shine, not the banana.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

On another diddy kong related matter, can diddy's glide toss down and totally avoid our reflector being hit by the shine? - Diddy being hit by the shine, not the banana.

lololololololol

diddy can bait reflectors with downwards glide toss yeah, but to punish it he needs to be at a pretty close range on the ground.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

lololololololol

diddy can bait reflectors with downwards glide toss yeah, but to punish it he needs to be at a pretty close range on the ground.

Just making sure. I ran into that problem once with the reflector and thought at the time "Did he really just avoid that by ducking down?".

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Just making sure. I ran into that problem once with the reflector and thought at the time "Did he really just avoid that by ducking down?".

He can avoid it by ducking, but not by the glide toss iirc.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

He can avoid it by ducking, but not by the glide toss iirc.

This is exactly what happened, I tried to shine, he glide tossed (down) and appreared to slide right under the shine and hit me with Dsmash. Maybe it happened after the flector came back at me.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

This is exactly what happened, I tried to shine, he glide tossed (down) and appreared to slide right under the shine and hit me with Dsmash. Maybe it happened after the flector came back at me.

reflector should have about the same hitbox as a laser, and I think I never lost a laser to a dribbling diddy.

 

[Oreos]

can somebody break down the zelda mu for me its really gaying me.

 

[Jon?]

can somebody break down the zelda mu for me its really gaying me.

I've explained this a couple of times before, I don't mind typing it again. This will be the abridged version.

Laser camping DOES NOT work against Zelda. You're best chances against her is your grab, mid-range, and aerial game.

If you can get her off game and read her recovery well, it can end up in a gimp or a free charged smash of your choice. Keep in mind she has no horizontal momentum after doing her vertical recovery.

Chain grabs aren't as effective in this matchup. Although I have managed to get them off with correctly buffered grabs.

Neutral b is a very annoying move. It deflects both lasers in your SHDL, it stops many approaches, and a well timed one can mess up your phantasms.

This is just a brief summary of the matchup. If you have any specific questions feel free to post here again.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

How is Zelda like a Meta Knight?

They both have access to a secert button: b button.

 

[ZeroUnderOne]

Is there ever a moment when fair is the best option? Does fair have good priority/disjointed hitbox?

I was thinking along the lines of full hop fair for priority or drop zone fair for gimp.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Is there ever a moment when fair is the best option? Does fair have good priority/disjointed hitbox?

I was thinking along the lines of full hop fair for priority or drop zone fair for gimp.

There's almost never a good moment for fair.

Except if you're like me and know the timing and gimp with it, but you need to time it so only the last hitbox hits, because else they can get out of it in 1 hit

 

[Roxas1988]

Is there ever a moment when fair is the best option? Does fair have good priority/disjointed hitbox?

I was thinking along the lines of full hop fair for priority or drop zone fair for gimp.

I think fair is a no-no. It is just a horrible move over all. Extreme/punishable cool down time as well as you've probably read before easy to DI out of and of course not enough sufficient damage for it to be usable. Better of with every other aerial.

 

[ZeroUnderOne]

Thanks guys.

Another question. Against a spotdodge/dsmash happy mk, what is the best option after you shield a dsmash (not powershield)? Seems it pushes Falco away from the mk body so a grab doesn't work and sometimes the pushed distance is enough so that the jab misses.

I figure the only other fast attack is the ftilt (will hit before next spotdodge/dsmash), am I missing something?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Thanks guys.

Another question. Against a spotdodge/dsmash happy mk, what is the best option after you shield a dsmash (not powershield)? Seems it pushes Falco away from the mk body so a grab doesn't work and sometimes the pushed distance is enough so that the jab misses.

I figure the only other fast attack is the ftilt (will hit before next spotdodge/dsmash), am I missing something?

run away and restart your camping

 

[Roxas1988]

run away and restart your camping

What he said ^_^!!!

 

[Yumewomiteru]

can somebody break down the zelda mu for me its really gaying me.

To add on to what Jon? said, Zelda has a down throw spike on falco if she grabs you on the ledge, but you can DI it so she cant just edgehog you.

And she can outrange you in everyway on the ground, so try to predict and punish rather than just attack, in the air Falco does very well against Zelda.

 

[Oreos]

thank you guys its been one of my harder mu's

 

[BleachigoZX]

Zelda isn't hard.

Whuuuut is this?

Zelda can't camp, you can. Stay in mid range. Make pretend you are fighting Marth without actually worrying about all the stuff Marth can do to Falco. Jab harass the crap out of her too, I'm sure she doesn't have a reliable 2 frame **** like Falco does.

btw, her Fsmash is safe on block, beware of that.

 

[AvoiD]

How many hits does her upsmash have? 3 or 4?

 

[BleachigoZX]

Doesn't matter you cannot DI out of it once it hits.

 

[stingers]

when you do a buffer cg, do you buffer the grab, or the walk? or both? i cant get it against rob very well x.x

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Simply hold the control stick forward after the Dthrow. Falco will start walking immediatly after that. When you get into the right range just grab. No buffering required from the grab, you just time when you press it.

 

[stingers]

oh...thats a buffer cg? i thought thats what you were always supposed to do @.@

i was trying to buffer a dash or something lol...

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

oh...thats a buffer cg? i thought thats what you were always supposed to do @.@

i was trying to buffer a dash or something lol...

Falco can do either. He can either walk the CG or run/dash the CG. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.

The one I described is simply the walking CG. The advantages to the walking CG is that you cover less distance compared to dashing the CG, allowing you to rack up damage without covering a whole lot of distance. It also prevents the occasional random trip that comes from dashing. Plus, only certain characters can be CGed by walking.

The running CG does need to be buffered. After Dthrow, you have to buffer the dash and then press the grab button shortly after dashing. The advantages to doing this is that you cover more distance allowing you to get to the edge more quickly. Also, certain characters can only be CGed by running/dashing CG. Most people though that you can dash/run CG can also be done with the walking CG.

 

[Jon?]

I'm pretty sure you have to do buffered grabs against certain characters.

ZSS, G&W, and Olimar to be exact.