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[yellowroy]

Really how do you shdl the right way?

I've been just sh keep pressing b but thats not the right way I hear.

 

[ftl]

Really how do you shdl the right way?

I've been just sh keep pressing b but thats not the right way I hear.

sh.
wait a bit.
press b twice.

You have to get the timing right so that the second laser comes out silent, or at least close to it. If you do it too early, the lasers will come out high, if you do it too late the second laser won't come out at all or you'll shoot a standing laser after landing.

 

[Teran]

if you do it too late the second laser won't come out at all or you'll shoot a standing laser after landing.

Moral of the story?
Don't use Falco on wifi. Wait...

 

[Vlade]

Hehe that's one of the main reasons why I never use falco on wifi.

Can't SHDL or CG for nuts. Nor can I recover lol.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

You guys mean a perfect SHDL with the silent laser at the end? Yeah, that is near impossible for me to get down on wifi, but you can adapt to get to the laser still hits kirby. Chaingrabbing = walking. Dashing the chaingrab always lets people escape (unless from someone that needs dashing like marth or lucas).

 

[Mith_]

You guys mean a perfect SHDL with the silent laser at the end? Yeah, that is near impossible for me to get down on wifi, but you can adapt to get to the laser still hits kirby. Chaingrabbing = walking. Dashing the chaingrab always lets people escape (unless from someone that needs dashing like marth or lucas).

Yea perfect ones are silent at the end, however if fighting a taller opponent like Ike or Snake then the last one doesn't have to be silent but still good to make it silent.

 

[Teran]

Yea perfect ones are silent at the end, however if fighting a taller opponent like Ike or Snake then the last one doesn't have to be silent but still good to make it silent.

The beauty of that fact is that Ike is such a prominent character on wifi. Hell I even use him in 1v1s because his jab gets a mega buff, along with his fsmash.
"I fight really cheap!"

 

[Rogue Pit]

Can someone link me to thread for doing boost pivot grabz?

 

[BleachigoZX]

Can someone link me to thread for doing boost pivot grabz?

I don't have a link, but here's how you do it.

1.Dash
(Anytime during actual movement)
2. Opposite Direction of initial movement+C-stick (Any direction, with the possible exception of Backwards- Diagonal ) + Shield Button (R/L/custom)

You can do it while running, but it counts as 2 Dashes so tripping might happen.

Easy (?) Set-ups:

Laser
Laser off Platform
Retreating Dair
Banana
Jab

Most of these "Set-ups" are opponent dependent.

 

[Kais3000]

Why is this topics title spelt wrong?

 

[Hyo]

I've seen SK92 use it, but how viable do you think a boost pivot approach is?

 

[chaoechidna]

pivot grab with chain grab

hey, i have a question. how do i do a execute a pivot grab when i'm chaingrabbing? i've tried and only gotten it a few times out of luck i think, but i haven't gotten it to the point where i can do it without letting the CPU escape the chaingrab. the CPU always seems to escape the pivot grab (and i don't mean he breaks out, i just can't grab him with the pivot). An example of what i'm trying to do is in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9xjyoTSF6Q
at about 6:47, when Sethlon grabs, throws down, then pivots to keep chaingrabbing toward the ledge. that's what i'm trying to do, but i'm having problems with it. Any help would be much appreciated. i think it might be called a boost pivot grab, but i have no idea how to do that either. either way, Sethlon is amazing at it, and i highly doubt i'll ever get it down that well, but even to be able to get it sometimes is better than not getting it at all! thanks in advance!!!

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

First off, what you are talking about is not accomplished with a normal pivot grab, people escape it too easily. What you need to do is the Boost Pivot Grab. Essentially, what you do is start a dash attack, push back into the opposite direction quickly and press the grab button. In short Dash attack > Push Control Stick in opposite of dash > grab.

I recommend you start off with just running for a little ways then quickly pushing the control stick back and pressing the grab button, so you get used to the timing. If done correctly you will do the pivot grab, but you will slide forward a decent distance while doing it. Then once you get that down you just need to get used to doing it from a chaingrab .

A really good way to get the constant rhythm of using the Boost Pivot Grab in a chaingrab back and forth in a row is to go to Special Brawl, stamina mode, and set CPU to 300 HP. In stamina mode all attacks have normal knockback as if it was done at 0% this way you can continually "Pivot Boost Grab > Dthrow; repeat".

 

[Mith_]

Why is this topics title spelt wrong?

B/c he came to make a Q&A thread then left.
Its a lil meme now i guess haha we told him not to edit it

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I've seen SK92 use it, but how viable do you think a boost pivot approach is?

To me, it is just another mix it up type move. Even when used from a SHL/SHDL approach shieldgrabbing, dodge > grab, or jab > grab seems more effective than a Boost Pivot Grab.

Once someone gives me some good advantages to it over another other option than I would start using it more.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Crystal Random as hell, but are you Colombian?
Your sig reminds me of the flag.

Also is there a guide because I might start one if there isn't?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Crystal Random as hell, but are you Colombian?
Your sig reminds me of the flag.

Also is there a guide because I might start one if there isn't?

I have heard more random, but no. I am not colombian.

http://www.smashboards.net/showthread.php?t=166854

Read all the threads and stuff of worthy note there, and that is as good a guide as we got.

 

[BleachigoZX]

There isn't a Reverse Boost Pivot Thread.

Who wants to help me.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

There isn't a Reverse Boost Pivot Thread.

Who wants to help me.

You make one, I'll be the first to read it, I would like to know more applications for it. Apart from being used in the Chaingrab to reposition yourself (or for platform uses) I do not know much else it could be used for.

And this was a useless post for me to have made.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Oh geez,well I guess I will make one.
There is a Falco that lives in my state named Keitaro.

I will do some research with him, given the opportunity.

Also another application is RBPG into Back Throw for a quick toss off the stage.
It's very useful on Diddy's if you need to avoid the Banana's.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Oh geez,well I guess I will make one.
There is a Falco that lives in my state named Keitaro.

I will do some research with him, given the opportunity.

Also another application is RBPG into Back Throw for a quick toss off the stage.
It's very useful on Diddy's if you need to avoid the Banana's.

I'm bored. So I'll look into some applications of it with different scenarios.

Question to anyone that can answer it: Could one possibly chaingrab someone to the edge and instead of going with the Dair off stage for a spike, might someone use the lasers to lock someone in place in the air and essentially suicide both of you? Of course the laser locking situation with falling at the same rate only applies to a certain characters, but just an idea.

Edit: Nvm. Laser locking someone in the air does not exist xD

 

[chaoechidna]

First off, what you are talking about is not accomplished with a normal pivot grab, people escape it too easily. What you need to do is the Boost Pivot Grab. Essentially, what you do is start a dash attack, push back into the opposite direction quickly and press the grab button. In short Dash attack > Push Control Stick in opposite of dash > grab.

I recommend you start off with just running for a little ways then quickly pushing the control stick back and pressing the grab button, so you get used to the timing. If done correctly you will do the pivot grab, but you will slide forward a decent distance while doing it. Then once you get that down you just need to get used to doing it from a chaingrab .

A really good way to get the constant rhythm of using the Boost Pivot Grab in a chaingrab back and forth in a row is to go to Special Brawl, stamina mode, and set CPU to 300 HP. In stamina mode all attacks have normal knockback as if it was done at 0% this way you can continually "Pivot Boost Grab > Dthrow; repeat".

Hey, that is a really good idea, thank you! I tried it all, but it still seems like the lvl 9 CPU escapes. I end up boosting behind him, but he rolls out of the way before my pivot grab catches him. the only times i seem to get him are when he shields accidentaly or doesn't tech as soon as he hits the ground. I'm not sure if it's something I'm doing wrong, because I am sliding with the pivot grab (hence becoming a boost pivot grab) and I am ending up behind him when he lands., i'm just not grabbing him. Is it just because the CPU's are too fast, or that human players don't normally tech out of the way as soon as they land? Or am I still doing something wrong? It's weird, cause I've been practicing with this lvl 9 falco for over an hour and still haven't gotten it. Do you think maybe i'm just not pivot grabbing soon enough? Any help would be awesome, and thanks already Crystal!

 

[Denzi]

Silent laser -> RBPG sets up some interesting things.

This vid might help.

 

[chaoechidna]

Silent laser -> RBPG sets up some interesting things.

This vid might help.

Holy. That is a good use of the lasers. But what i'm trying to get is what that falco does at
:39 sec of the vid. The way he boost pivot grabs is crazy fast, and for some reason I haven't gotten it that fast at all yet.. Maybe more practice? But if you know any tricks to doing that, do tell! Getting behind the opponent and pivot grabbing is my problem, and I'm thinking that maybe I'm not doing it fast enough. Thanks for that vid, it showed me just how awesome some of the falco players actually are! Insane...

 

[chaoechidna]

looking at the above vid again, I can't see how the falco at :39 boost pivot grabs so quickly. when I try that, I need to take at least a 2 step running start to boost, and I can't seem to do it if Falco isn't going fast enough at the moment. His Falco just seems to do it after not even 1 step. Is it still the same button combination of: dash --> smash other direction--> grab? Or am i missing something important here...?

 

[Vlade]

You're missing the dash attack. The idea of a boost pivot grab is to cancel a dash attack into a pivot grab. That's why you slide so far.

 

[Denzi]

Yeah, you should be doing:

Dash -> C-Stick left'right -> Back on the Control stick +Z.

 

[Hyo]

From what it sounds like, you're starting the boost too late. You have to buffer it in the chain grab, so it's executed before you actually see movement.

If you start it after and then boost pivot, you're likely to run a bit then boost pivot, which will give you distance (probably a little more), and a turn around grab.

But it's too late.

 

[chaoechidna]

thanks guys! i'll definitely try all that. i think you're right, i'm missing the attack. i figured there was no dash attack since i couldn't see it in that video, but i guess it gets cancelled out before it can actually be seen. Thank you everyone!!!

 

[RATED]

I need help with pivot boost grab with falco. I know how to do it but I suck at that. even though I don't main falco ( my main is d3 ) I want to use falco at tourney lvl just to vary.

 

[Hyo]

^ How exactly are we supposed to help you?

The only way you can get the boost pivot is to practice, practice, practice.

 

[Conviction]

I was wondering.... My Falco is ok but Since I main Fox and I play him really Fast paced should I play Falco Fast paced or normal speed. Should I FF all of his airials? Things like that.

 

[Teran]

You should always FF your aerials... Play him as fast as you need to. Of course, there's no such thing as fast laser camping, but your aerial strings or move strings in general, coupled with your movement, should be as swift as you can make it. The faster you are, the more attacks you can get in, and ultimately, the harder you are to catch.
Fast Gameplay =/= Mindlessly Attacking

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

You should always FF your aerials... Play him as fast as you need to. Of course, there's no such thing as fast laser camping, but your aerial strings or move strings in general, coupled with your movement, should be as swift as you can make it. The faster you are, the more attacks you can get in, and ultimately, the harder you are to catch.
Fast Gameplay =/= Mindlessly Attacking

There are some instances where you would not want to FF an aerial. I mean SH Dair that is not FF is less punishable (I believe) against someone that is shielding as you can move away from them.

 

[Teran]

There are some instances where you would not want to FF an aerial. I mean SH Dair that is not FF is less punishable (I believe) against someone that is shielding as you can move away from them.

True but that's just one exception. I can't be bothered to list all the myriad of possible situations where you wouldn't want to FF. But shuffling is the general pattern you want to follow.

 

[Conviction]

I understand that just like when I play Fox. Thanks Falco Boards.

 

[§witch]

You want to FF everything, you can SDI down to FF while pushing back on the analog stick btw.

 

[chaoechidna]

Crap, I still can't get the boost pivot grab. I use the c stick down and everything. Run--> cstick down--> Z+opposite direction. Yet i haven't gotten it once yet. I always either end up hitting the person with the dash attack or just grabbing them without a dash attack even coming out. Just a normal grab. My cstick is set to attack, and i'm really confused as to why I haven't executed the boost pivot grab at all yet. help...?

 

[Teran]

Try this: Dthrow > Buffered dash > Back on the control stick > R + A. That's slightly easier.

 

[pure_awesome]

Teran, that's just a normal Pivot Grab.


Chaoe, if your dash attack is coming out, it means you're hitting the C-stick too early, Z too late. If you're just grabbing, it means you're hitting Z too early, C-stick too late. With this in mind, just work off your previous attempts and mess around with the timing.

Don't worry about it, we all went through this when we first started learning it. You're doing it properly, just keep at it and eventually your hands will adapt.