Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
I have a question, when can I play Steel on Wi-Fi again? (Well after April 17th)
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Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)
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AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Wifi is a really good way to get better if I didn't have wifi.......My marth would be a lot worse than what it is now. Which is kind of sad LoL. But I don't understand the knock on match ups it's a good way to learn match ups and actually get experience when you can't make it to tourney you lag badly A your connection sucks B your opponent connection sucks C you're stealing internet from your neighbor or D your opponent is stealing connection from their neighbor. I think the lag john is a lot of BS although you can tell the difference because of the input lag however a couple of games you should be able to adjust.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
Well, invincibility time is better used to position yourself on the stage. You usually aren't gonna get a few free hits in anyways, your opponent isn't stupid. Dtilt can pressure the opponent to get on the stage, in which you can punish and reset. Marth pwns when the opponent is on the ledge IMO, you can just keep reflecting them and keep them on the ledge while getting easy hits in.
Also, I RAGE at laggy wifi, but wifi with a great connection is almost like IRL.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Even with green you're gonna get some latency. It's great for throwing off extremely precise characters like marth.
The major issue with wifi is that even if it's green you'll get some input latency (basically time between when you make an input and your character reacts to it).
This makes moves that normally would not be safe off-line safe, ruins a number of set-ups and creates combos that shouldn't be there because your opponent can't react fast enough.
Sure, it helps train mindgames, but warps your perception of what's safe in the game, and especially throws off your timing for punishing characters (like Marth), in addition to making moves that you would normally be able to punish nearly unpunishable.
I don't get access to tournaments that much, so my trick was to find people to play with on a regular basis, and I'm mainly a melee player so you've got it easier. Early on, wifi's better then nothing, but I really advise you to connect with your local brawl community if you're serious, there's gotta be somebody nearby that you could play on a regular basis.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
So overall wifi is good if you don't have people to play, but don't get too used to it or you'll end up damaging your IRL play.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Exactly, pretty much best one-line summery of wifi around.
Unless you live in Japan... **** Japan and their far better internet services.
Korea too, but they use it for their Starcraft and MMO addiction more than a silly party game (that they don't have).
Really as I've said before, blame it on the ISP providers that know they can charge a premium for inferior Internet service compared to other countries as no competition currently offers the speed of JP and KOR Internet at the same price.
A premium plan of AT&T ADSL for ~$40 is basically standard service over there, albeit cheaper due to that as well.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
don't forget wc3, or mr 4k grubby will eat your soul
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
Thank you kindly.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
2d girls like marth :0?
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
I'm horrible at Marth dittos. The only way I can really win is if I watch the opponent carefully and predict everything.
HOW 2 MARF DITTO?
(No. Don't tell me to go to the match-up thread because that didn't help much.)
HOW 2 MARF DITTO?
(No. Don't tell me to go to the match-up thread because that didn't help much.)
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Swing your sword?
Just kidding I think it's really skill dependent the better player will win. If you guys are even it will depend on who makes more mistakes. You should always watch your opponent carefully whether it's a Marth ditto or not. Once you read your opponent you can pick up on some his moves does he SH fair alot ? If he does full hop fair FF nair dtilt works amazing. Don't let your opponent get the momentum if you can. I will just say try to be unpredictable read your opponent mix in full hops and out play them.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
lol swing your sword.
Like, I can barely beat this guy's Samus, but for some reason I get ***** by his Marth. HE DOESN'T EVEN USE MARTH. Makes my self-esteem plummet lol. I know his patterns pretty well. He does retreating fairs to spaced fsmashes and crossover to spaced fsmashes. I see stuff coming but I can't punish it and he just goes on eating away at my shield.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
How can you not punish fsmashes that you see coming? Definitely full hop sometimes and I think you need to play less aggressive I'm not sure how you're playing but you should be getting hit by fsmashes like that nor should you not be able to punish them.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
I shield them while he runs away from retaliation. It's a pain in the tush.
Keep in mind this is stupid wifi and I suck anyways.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Shield the dash to DB ? IDK you should still be able to punish him. Or you can stay out of his tipper range and do a tipper fsmash of your own.
Prince Of Fire
Smash Lord
I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with Olimar.
Is my d tilt useful? Should i be sticking to c-stick well spaced fairs? I can space fairs pretty well but i find if i do an advancing SH fair to retreating fair oli just shields my first hit....runs under me and then u smashes or does some other bull.
Does my grab release trick work on olimar like it does for MK, Lucas, and Ness? That would be 10X helpful. lol
Is my d tilt useful? Should i be sticking to c-stick well spaced fairs? I can space fairs pretty well but i find if i do an advancing SH fair to retreating fair oli just shields my first hit....runs under me and then u smashes or does some other bull.
Does my grab release trick work on olimar like it does for MK, Lucas, and Ness? That would be 10X helpful. lol
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I hate fighting olimars his range makes no sense.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Online?
Pretty much illustrates the problem with online if so.
F-smash has a ton of lag, you should be able to punish it with a ton of tactics, dancing blade is most common.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
LoL I almost punish with DB but wifi sux so...
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I will kill myself if I don't get human opponents soon. I keep getting hit by the stupidest things thanks to lag.
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I will kill myself if I don't get human opponents soon. I keep getting hit by the stupidest things thanks to lag.
Denzi
Smash Master
Bair is good for killing, is faster than Nair, and it turns you around in midair, which can lead into other things like Fair or Dair.
What is this I don't even...
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
I seriously think/hope that was a joke post. But yes a fresh Bair is great for killing and at low %s combos into fair and is good for edgeguarding.
indeed
nope it wasnt i dont like bair that much it feels laggy and slow compared to nair
although i whip it out sometimes for a kill thats pretty much it
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I could be wrong but doesn't bair have longer range easier to tip and kill faster?
Denzi
Smash Master
I'm pretty sure you're right.
ZHMT
Smash Lord
I use bair simply cause it turns you around and has a hitbox at the same time. Plus its usually fresh. A tipped bair hits 45 degrees occasionally and can ko pretty easily.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I'd rather double Bair TBH.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
I love this little trick for a kill (u got ZMT with it even though he returns the favor 3x as hard): Jump --> Turnaround DB1 Stall --> Fresh Tipper Bair
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Double bair?
Im pretty sure its impossible to double bair towards the same direction since it turns you around.
Im pretty sure its impossible to double bair towards the same direction since it turns you around.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
no because you turn around. I meant I'd rather be able to bair and still have my back turned and then bair again.
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Ohhh...
Even so, double fairs really beat that out because they are faster and lead into other moves. Bair wont lead into other moves at all.
Even so, double fairs really beat that out because they are faster and lead into other moves. Bair wont lead into other moves at all.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I know but it be nice to edge guard with it. At least I think it would.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Nair. Come on guys...
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
I need to know everything I can about the Spike (Dair in someone is an idiot).
I need to know what sets it up the best. How to space and spike on a foe that is recovering below the ledge.. and agove the ledge to would be nice.
Also... is Sword Dance a spike?
Oh and BTW.... what sets up the Ken Combo the best?
I need to know what sets it up the best. How to space and spike on a foe that is recovering below the ledge.. and agove the ledge to would be nice.
Also... is Sword Dance a spike?
Oh and BTW.... what sets up the Ken Combo the best?
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
The best thing to know about spiking is don't do it. If you must, though, it helps to turn around.
The third hit down variant pseudo-spikes
And THE ****ING KEN COMBO DOESN'T EXIST IN BRAWL OMFG;ljadshdfaslkhewaokhefawiuogkehwbiofugewbkjiulbqfrekufbulb
/knife
saviorslegacy
My avater is not a Sheik avatar.
I still like spiking. -_- Owell... *sigh*
Figured SD had a spike (Roy combo vid).
SETTLE DOWN SETTLE DOWN!!!!!!!! O_O It exists as a string.
Ken combo doesn't exist anymore.
BUT THE KENYA COMBO (guess where the 'ya' comes from) IS ALIVE AND PACKING.
BUT THE KENYA COMBO (guess where the 'ya' comes from) IS ALIVE AND PACKING.