Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
How do you deal with diddy's bananas?
What's the ideal way to pick them up?
**** those bananas.
What's the ideal way to pick them up?
**** those bananas.
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Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)
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AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Can't you short hop fair and pick them up? Or is that when they are only thrown at you? Dtilt can be used also
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
I know I can pick them up with fair when they're thrown at me. I'll have to try that out when they're on the ground.
and dtilt?
hmm sounds good.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
You could always slip on them until they fall off the edge. That's my best strat right now for them LoL j/k.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
Did that once or twice on accident lol.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Touching the bananas takes away your ability to grab. I dont like that and usually diddys seem to **** harder when you mess with their bananas so i toss the banana as soon as i see an opening. Fair usually is your best bet to catch bananas since they will be thrown at you often. For the ground, maybe try dtilt.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
Using their own bananas on them pressures them IMO, as long as they don't just pick them up again.
I.E. fair wall by a banana next to a ledge is pretty intimidating, I think.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
is countering skull bash, rollout, egg roll, and zamus's flip jump attack a good idea? will the first three pass through marth before he can attack back?
note: i originally added pound to that list but i forgot it outprioritized the world
note: i originally added pound to that list but i forgot it outprioritized the world
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
I don't see anything wrong with countering those and I'm pretty sure all of them will hit (maybe not ZSS's down B). skull bash and rollout hit you and then stop, so counter should hit them. I don't think egg roll is fast enough so counter SHOULD hit it.
It's not really necessary to counter those though, sometimes you won't even have time to consider that option. :/
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
it's not necessary to shield dodge or hit them when i could just counter, if it's guaranteed..
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
see my edit
Also, countering ZSS's down B is pretty good if the opponent is trying to spike you.
Pikachu might use skull bash to recover, counter is pretty good here too.
I don't think you should run into many egg rolls/rollouts (you're talking about jiggz neutral B right?).
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
yeah. but some jiggs i play at least use rollout to recover
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Actually I believe if you hold A you can still grab. Not sure but you can still attack in the air with C if you hold A often or so.
GwJ
Smash Hero
I'm looking for a good secondary. Does Marth cover ROB's bad matchups decently and/or is a good overall secondary to pick up?
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
uh idk, but I use ROB as a backup character because of his awesome projectiles..
Marth's shield breaker should shoot laser beams, IMO. That would show MK.
Marth's shieldbreaker is a laser... guys...
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
someday...
i may have found a practical use for <100% ledge attack. if they're on the edge it hits them backwards, off of it, like some hitbox that ike's dash attack has, and a few others. so they'll be hit off the edge.
edit: nevermind, steel informed me that this was known and that a lot of ledge attacks do that.
brb suicide
i may have found a practical use for <100% ledge attack. if they're on the edge it hits them backwards, off of it, like some hitbox that ike's dash attack has, and a few others. so they'll be hit off the edge.
edit: nevermind, steel informed me that this was known and that a lot of ledge attacks do that.
brb suicide
Denzi
Smash Master
Here's a question:
So I heard that Marth has a Dthrow CG ending it a tipper Fsmash?
Is this real/how do I do it if it is?
So I heard that Marth has a Dthrow CG ending it a tipper Fsmash?
Is this real/how do I do it if it is?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
No. Marth has a fthrow CG to a tipper fsmash on zero and that's only on a small percent of the cast.
can do it on fox/falco I believe;
0-15% (dthrow) -> fsmash.
0-15% (dthrow) -> fsmash.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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But isn't the fthrow > fthrow > dair more suitable?
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I saw a japanese marth do that but I think they said it was bad DI.
Vitamin X you never seen fthrow fthrow to dair before? Let me find you the vid really fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn-KGPej2Gk&feature=related
There's the vid he does it on the last stock.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
OH A SPIKE. duh.
yeah I've seen that.
I thought he was talking about dair on stage, I was like... wtf?
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
Let me clear this up for you guys.
On characters like fox falco and sheik, Fthrow X2 to dair or Fsmash is guaranteed. Dthrow to grab CG can be intercepted with DI or a quick jab i believe, but it is mostly safe if you do it once. From there you can Fthrow to Fsmash and Dair again.
On characters like fox falco and sheik, Fthrow X2 to dair or Fsmash is guaranteed. Dthrow to grab CG can be intercepted with DI or a quick jab i believe, but it is mostly safe if you do it once. From there you can Fthrow to Fsmash and Dair again.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Yeah, Marth's only bad matchups are MK (65:35 or 60:40 MK) D3 (55:45 pr 60:40 D3) and Snake (same as D3).
Denzi
Smash Master
Well I found it here, and it's the same guy that discovered the Pikachu CG on Falco to 120% (as well as a couple other CGs), so I thought it'd be fairly valid.
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=12810
C.box
Smash Journeyman
This works, you need to buffer marth's dash though, YOU DON'T BUFFER THE GRAB.
Nothing. (< the guys name of that blog) is Michael Hey who was the one who posted the Pika CG's, this is how he said these cg's are done.
"key point is
A: buffer the dash (not the grab)
B: dash attack cancel grab".
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I know I saw that before however, I'm pretty sure ZMT debunked it also I have yet to see a vid of it
C.box
Smash Journeyman
He said it didn't work before Michael Hey posted how to do it.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
where did he post how to do it? Where is the vid at?
How do I bring out the full potential of Marth I think I'm starting to understand him a little more and that I have to be some what passive aggressive with him. I figured if I slowed down a little bit and attack when I see an opening or when I know my moves will beat out theirs I will get better. I also am trying to come back on leaving my self vulnerable. That's all I can think of anything else?
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
What your supposed to do is always be thinking how can I improve in my knowledge of controlling Marth and constantly pressuring my opponent. Most of the time you want to be aggressive, creating openings and messing up your opponent and conditioning them. Also, you must know when to punish and zone (as in the DK and MK match-up).
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
How can I practice pressuring my opponent and how do I recover from/get out of traps.
When you DI, do you aim for the corners, use an aerial and fast fall?
I'm trying to learn to properly DI on wifi.
When you DI, do you aim for the corners, use an aerial and fast fall?
I'm trying to learn to properly DI on wifi.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Simply by playing opponents, especially in friendlies as you can manage to try new things. It depends on the traps, but same rule applies, you find what works, what's safest, and what's the alternatives.
When you DI you SDI towards the corner during hitstun --> DI towards the corner --> Jump/Double Jump --> Fair x2 is your best way to survive.
Vitamin_x
Smash Apprentice
You SDI towards the corner?
I always thought you were supposed to SDI "into the attack" or something like that.
._. I'm totally wrong, aren't I?
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Well in actuality it depends on the attack, but strong knockback moves normally you want to DI out and away, it might not even mean SDI towards the corner, but the window to SDI is tiny so I say might aswell. Refer yo swordgard's DI thread, it has a little more info.
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
Is there enough hitstun in a ShDB1 to setup a free attack into a U/FAir?
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
It is character dependant. I believe it is guaranteed on the spacies, sheik, DDD and maybe falcon. I'm not 100% sure about DDD and Falcon though, and there might be some more characters that it works on.
ZHMT
Smash Lord
No, there isnt enough stun, your at a -4 frame disadvantage iirc. Which isnt really 'bad' but its not enough to keep them from just shielding. It IS possible if you catch them offguard, but its not a "free attack" like uair to usmash exc...