Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[BBoyindo]

I agree with this. If you get the first hit in, get the damage, and finish the combo. It's really not worth it to do the first hit then grab, IMO. It's usually not going to give you as much damage and it won't always give you many options for a follow up combo. If you just finish the DB, you'll probably get more damage in and it's much safer. First hit of DB -> grab is pretty predictable and sometimes hard to pull off. Personal opinion, though.

DB1 to grab is quite useless ate higher percents or if you suck at grab games. But at lower % it can be quite good. If you know what your opponents reaction will be, you can get in a free hit, or another grab. Also onsome characters like MK you can DB1 to grab to Fsmash, which does more damage then finishing the combo. Use it sparingly, but don't ignore it, it can be a good technique that messes with your opponent.
DB1 to SB is sex as well.

 

[Shaya]

Jab has awesome priority.
However...
Dancing Blade has TRANSCENDED priority.

Jab has better vertical range (actually it's quite superb).
Tipper'd jab has great hitstun and doesn't send opponent's far (WIN WIN).

Jab also trips opponents from 120-145%. Into magical love like fsmashes.

 

[Darxmarth23]

Jab has awesome priority.
However...
Dancing Blade has TRANSCENDED priority.

Jab has better vertical range (actually it's quite superb).
Tipper'd jab has great hitstun and doesn't send opponent's far (WIN WIN).

Jab also trips opponents from 120-145%. Into magical love like fsmashes.

Jab is win. It just sucks that its soooo under rated by others.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

^ lol let them underrate it. better for us, eh?

 

[Darxmarth23]

^ lol let them underrate it. better for us, eh?

Guess you have a point.

But what really saddens me is the fact that i see marth mains not use it in the situations they should, let alone use it at all.

 

[BanjoKazooiePro]

I don't use it enough because I feel like DB is more reliable most of the time. It's good to stop aerial attacks and such, but then I get smacked in the face or grabbed because the hit stun and knockback isn't very far. I'm trying to incorporate it into my game a bit more.

 

[Steel]

falling fair > jab to keep yourself covered.

 

[Remzi]

falling fair > jab to keep yourself covered.

Thought I was the only one who did this....

 

[Vitamin_x]

Opponents often roll behind me within grab range.
Is a DB/attack better than a grab in this situation?
I usually have trouble getting the grab. Not sure why.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

How do I stop from getting shield grabbed by DK?

 

[Punishment Divine]

How do I stop from getting shield grabbed by DK?

Space with retreating fairs/dtilt.

And shieldbreak his *** if he gets predictable with it. I used to have this problem a lot, but if you shieldbreak them once they get scared every time you play them after that, rofl

Opponents often roll behind me within grab range.
Is a DB/attack better than a grab in this situation?
I usually have trouble getting the grab. Not sure why.

Depends. Do you want to refresh your moves, and they're not quite in killing percent yet? Go for a grab and pummel. Are they at killing percents? Go for a kill move if you know it will hit. Are you not that far into the game/stock? Dancing Blade is probably your best option.

Overall, Dancing Blade is the staple, though

 

[Vitamin_x]

I do really bad when the opponent is practically hugging me.
That's something I need to work on... but..

Does a retreating fair/nair/bair work?
If I time it right, does a reverse DS work?

 

[Punishment Divine]

I do really bad when the opponent is practically hugging me.
That's something I need to work on... but..

Does a retreating fair/nair/bair work?
If I time it right, does a reverse DS work?

yes to all of those

 

[Vitamin_x]

Thanks.

One thing I don't get is:
When do you use moves like DS/jab[?] to get the opponent away from you?
When they're being aggressive/combo-ing? Or does it have to do with proper spacing?
Or both?

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Space with retreating fairs/dtilt.

And shieldbreak his *** if he gets predictable with it. I used to have this problem a lot, but if you shieldbreak them once they get scared every time you play them after that, rofl

Alright i'll try it.

 

[ZHMT]

Thanks.

One thing I don't get is:
When do you use moves like DS/jab[?] to get the opponent away from you?
When they're being aggressive/combo-ing? Or does it have to do with proper spacing?
Or both?

Use dolphin slash to punish your opponent when they mess up their spacing. Its also good to use when someone hits your shield with a multi hit move.

Jab is used to hit your opponent when they use aerials and its a good mixup on the ground.

Dolphin slash is good as a ko move (punisher). It can also be used defensively but I would just wait until it can ko and use it once, if your not comfortable using it a lot.

Jab is offensive or defensive depending on what your opponent is doing.

 

[GPEternity]

why didn't the creators raise a red flag when they realized this game has so little hitstun that half of your attacks can be counter attacked after you hit.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Because it shyed away from the competitive aspect to make it more group-fun oriented.

 

[GPEternity]

how fun is this;

omg woot you got smashed *****
*guy comes back and smashes you back*
omg wtf gay.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Lol that would happen if one of three things:

1. Your follow up is predictable/sucks.
2. You don't follow up.
3. Your smash is very, very stale.

 

[Darxmarth23]

Lol that would happen if one of three things:

1. Your follow up is predictable/sucks.
2. You don't follow up.
3. Your smash is very, very stale.

And that would happen if

1. You the same move after another move.
2. You are an idiot.
3. You spam.

^These are things not to do.^

Remember: Mix it up, be wise, and keep things fresh.

 

[ZHMT]

If you fthrow some chars and try to fair them, they may be able to hit you back with an aerial...

 

[Shockdrake]

Is there anyone here who regularly helps Marth players record replays who also has the no-trip code? I contacted a few people, but I didn't realize that the codes would desynch the replay if they were played on a code-free wii. So they couldn't record them for me.

Does anyone do things like this regularly? Or is anyone free to help?

Edit: It turns out he did have the codes. Problem solved, I think. =)

 

[GPEternity]

if anything you could bring your wii to the recorder and run the replay there.

 

[DJMirror]

a quick question(s) please

What are my options of out of shield?

What does this benefit for me?

and what is the best option out of shield?

Thank you

 

[Pr0phetic]

a quick question(s) please

What are my options of out of shield?

What does this benefit for me?

and what is the best option out of shield?

Thank you

1. Pretty much anything you want, Aerial OoS, UpB OoS, Smash OoS.
2. It gives you a large range o f options and a great mixup game.
3. Ok there's different categories:

Punisher (large) - DS
Punisher (small) - DB
Punisher (aerial) - Jab

And that's the best, but don't get predictable!

 

[Odigo]

Does mashing buttons help get you out of Diddy's monkey hump/broken shield quicker?

 

[Remzi]

1. Pretty much anything you want, Aerial OoS, UpB OoS, Smash OoS.
2. It gives you a large range o f options and a great mixup game.
3. Ok there's different categories:

Punisher (large) - DS
Punisher (small) - DB
Punisher (aerial) - Jab

And that's the best, but don't get predictable!

Usmash OoS is ****.

 

[Pr0phetic]

- laggy double post. -

 

[Pr0phetic]

Lmao yes, indeed, but I gave him the general. If you think you can time it right and incoporate it into your game, use Usmash OoS.

 

[Sk8TR]

Ok
so when ever i go agasinst my friends G&W i always loss
not because im a bad player but just cuz its anonnying how he spams his grabs and throws and dtilt
can ya help?
what can i do stop the grabs/counter then etc?
*SK8TR*

 

[Darxmarth23]

Ok
so when ever i go agasinst my friends G&W i always loss
not because im a bad player but just cuz its anonnying how he spams his grabs and throws and dtilt
can ya help?
what can i do stop the grabs/counter then etc?
*SK8TR*

If your opponent is being predictable, read him and counter when you should.

Use grabs and stay on some defensive game.

 

[GPEternity]

if he spams, work around it and use the spam against him. GW should not be able to grab you so easily if you space your attacks well. Follow up whiffs with another, faster attack to swat him away as he rushes in to counter. Use your own grabs if he camps shield. Use your shorthop to get over his dtilt spams. doesn't marth's fsmash outrange that thing anyway?

 

[Pr0phetic]

If your opponent is being predictable, read him and counter when you should.

Use grabs and stay on some defensive game.

You shouldn't be playing defensive on GnW at all. Definitely the predict part is right, but your Fair>GnW.

 

[Vitamin_x]

Ok
so when ever i go agasinst my friends G&W i always loss
not because im a bad player but just cuz its anonnying how he spams his grabs and throws and dtilt
can ya help?
what can i do stop the grabs/counter then etc?
*SK8TR*

Doesn't Marth outrange G&W?
Stay a good distance away and use the right moves, this way he can't grab you.
Also, can't just fair when he dtilts?

I don't know much about playing G&W tbh.

 

[Sk8TR]

but im not the kind of player to play defensive. im always in peoples faces when i play
i always short hop and do airials
but all the time he keeps grabing me
and it gets anoonying cuz he down throws and combos with dtilt

 

[Takumaru]

Then your spacing incorrectly. If he can grab you then your getting way too close.

 

[Sk8TR]

so, the problem is my spacing?
how do i correct it?
just try to tip my moves?
or stay farther back or what?

 

[Vitamin_x]

It's...kinda like trying to tip all your hits. I guess you could go for tippers all the time if you wanted to.
Eh.
Basically you wanna hit, but not get hit.
You gotta use Marth's range to your advantage
You can be "all up in their face", but you need to make sure you're not THAT close so that they can't retaliate.

 

[C.J.]

so, the problem is my spacing?
how do i correct it?
just try to tip my moves?
or stay farther back or what?

If your fair is being shield-grabbed, you need to be much farther away, if you're still getting grabbed, do retreating fairs. If you're in the air, his dtilt is useless. Like someone said above, fair>G&W.

Also, your grabs out-range his, so, if you are auto-canceling your fair/uair/nairs you should be able to grab him before he grabs you.