feardragon64
Smash Champion
Dolphin Slash (Marth's up+b)
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Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)
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illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah it will only have a noticeable spike at like 200%, which is sad. D-tilt is smarter to use just because its more reliable damage.
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
Cloud Cleaver
Smash Journeyman
Anyone else have trouble getting all four hits of the DB to come out? It's only really noticeable for me when I try to do the all-down green combo. I can usually get off the first three whacks, but I'm only about 50% accurate on getting the stabbing part to go. Is the timing on this one subtly different?
I've also noticed that CPs tend to grab, powershield, or hit me partway through the combo. Am I not executing it fast enough, or is this just one of those stupid superhuman abilities these guys have to make up for their dimwitted predictability?
I've also noticed that CPs tend to grab, powershield, or hit me partway through the combo. Am I not executing it fast enough, or is this just one of those stupid superhuman abilities these guys have to make up for their dimwitted predictability?
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
I'm pretty sure the timing is the same for all of them. It'll come with experience, just work on it.
And no, the CPU will not be able to do anything about your DB unless you aren't moving fast enough. Again, experience will fix this.
Cloud Cleaver
Smash Journeyman
Gracias. Oh well, back to practice.
Marth's a lot more challenging to master than the rest, methinks. Maining him's like an art form.
Marth's a lot more challenging to master than the rest, methinks. Maining him's like an art form.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Welcome to the ego trip that is the Marth boards. Our character>>>everyone elses just cause he's the hardest to play.
Coda
Smash Cadet
so... this isn't particular to Marth... but...
what's this thing about Wario and the ledge? Or something?
Is it something like Snake's Cypher grabbing?
what's this thing about Wario and the ledge? Or something?
Is it something like Snake's Cypher grabbing?
Cloud Cleaver
Smash Journeyman
I haven't actually seen much ego here. O.o This and the TL forum are both really great.
Falco and ROB...not so much.
But yeah, Marth is really hard to play. I was still a newb in my Melee days, and he always amazed me when handled with skill, because I couldn't do jack **** with him. Now that I'm taking my game more seriously, I'm eager for the challenge.
Falco and ROB...not so much.
But yeah, Marth is really hard to play. I was still a newb in my Melee days, and he always amazed me when handled with skill, because I couldn't do jack **** with him. Now that I'm taking my game more seriously, I'm eager for the challenge.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
If you grab Wario near the edge or off this new "grab off the edge" tactic you get a free fmash or dair, iirc, if you air release. You can do much of this on the stage, too, but you have to stutter step the fsmash.
@Cloud: Lol our egos are huge over here, And Falco and ROB do take skill, just watch good ones like SK92's Falco and NinjaLink's ROB. They do more than camp and all around really cool ****.
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Ice Climbers are kinda hard too imo. But yeah, when I win with Marth it feels a lot better then if I win with Falco, Snake, or MK. Although I find nothing wrong with 2 of those characters.
UWOcho
Smash Apprentice
I'm actually not that impressed by NL's rob. Guess I haven't watched enough of it. Or could be that I play diddy and just love his diddy too much to want to watch him play anything else..
Not much impresses me more than SK92's falco. it is BEAST. For anyone who hasn't seen it, check his favorites on his youtube channel. He is nuts.
Not much impresses me more than SK92's falco. it is BEAST. For anyone who hasn't seen it, check his favorites on his youtube channel. He is nuts.
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
IMO, SK92 is a better Falco than Ken is Marth, and that was months ago. SK92 is better now. I mean, back then people still thought Sethlon was better iirc and now everyone is saying they're either tied in skill or SK92 is better.
Also, maybe you have to play against or watch NL's ROB in person. I got him round one of a tournament like two months ago and he used ROB against me. Mad skills.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
That's old, and Ken got CD'ed, lol. Now if you get CG'ed with Marth by a Falco, you suck.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Alright, seeing as this is the quick question topic: What should a new Marth secondary focus on besides spacing? Seeing that I main Ike, I have that aspect down fairly well and just need to move in slightly closer then normal for spacing Fairs and the like.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Lear to pressure shields with Dtilt, well-spaced Fairs, and sometimes well-spaced Nairs. Also learn to juggle opponents, I won't go into this, but in a few days you'll be able to read all you want about juggling each and every character.
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
...How could it have been so easy...ty
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Ya, I already love the Dtilt. It's nice to have a quick attack out of landing with more range then Ike's jab.
Juggling is something I will have to work on though; Ike doesn't do much of that...
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Juggling with Marth is very important. Look for the juggling guide Sunday-Wednesday.Ya, I already love the Dtilt. It's nice to have a quick attack out of landing with more range then Ike's jab.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Will do. Thanks.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
No problem.
mdmfromdaridge
Smash Journeyman
First of all, would Marth typically be easier to handle defensively or offensively as the player? Second, when trying to tip, is the tip clearly visible on the screen? I have marths defense down for the level I am at, and I am currently working out my spacing issues. These questions coincide because I am unsure about the absolute spacing for tipped hits, and sometimes i feel that it shouldve tipped but I was too close.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Marth cannot be played simply either way. I suggest you start with Defensive marth, though, because it's better in most situations. Keep the opponent out with Retreating/FF Fairs and dtilt, Dancing Blade to punish everything, basically just look around the boards if you wanna know more
To answer your second question, I didn't learn to tip from watching his sword, I just know where it is from playing so much. Just keep practicing and it'll be permanently stored in your memory. I can not play Marth for days now, go back, and still tip almost every time
mdmfromdaridge
Smash Journeyman
cool thanks.
UWOcho
Smash Apprentice
If you didn't know, the dtilt has iasa frames, making it extremely easy to transition into other moves. For example. if you dtilt and your opponent sh's to try to aerial you, you can abuse the iasa frames on your dtilt to get out an early ftilt, utilt, or jab. I believe you can only use other 'a' moves during iasa frames. Somebody correct me if i'm wrong.Ya, I already love the Dtilt. It's nice to have a quick attack out of landing with more range then Ike's jab.
Preview of the guide as I see it:
Juggling Basics and Advanced Technhiques as Marth:
Basics:
-uair, usmash and utilt!
Advanced:
-shff uair! (its so good you don't even need usmash and utilt!)
Thanks for reading my guide
lols
crazn137
Smash Journeyman
IIRC, you can do anything during IASA frames.
UWOcho
Smash Apprentice
trying to db behind you requires you to wait until the dtilt has finished. it takes longer than just ftilting behind you. I know because my friend rolls... a lot
3xSwords
Smash Lord
Uh... no. Brawl IASA means interrupting with anything.
Edit: lol wut? My one grand post and I didn't even notice
Edit: lol wut? My one grand post and I didn't even notice
DemonicTrilogy
Smash Lord
Is using counter to punish predictableness from an opponent better than to use a attack out of shield? Also, is it a good option to use if someone is using an aerial on you to gimp?
UWOcho
Smash Apprentice
If he's very predicable, use counter whenever you feel like it. But don't use it too much or else you'll become predictable.
Using counter while recoering is not such a good idea. You could use a fair instead which is usually more effective. If fair won't work, and using counter won't gimp yourself, go ahead and use it. Just not that it will kill your momentum.
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Also, grats 3x on 1000 posts
Using counter while recoering is not such a good idea. You could use a fair instead which is usually more effective. If fair won't work, and using counter won't gimp yourself, go ahead and use it. Just not that it will kill your momentum.
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Also, grats 3x on 1000 posts
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Well it would depend what that predictable attribute is. If he's rolling a lot, call him on them and punish with Dancing Blade or even Dsmash if your reaction time is bad. Counter can be used on some attacks, but you shouldn't rely on it, no matter how predictable they are. You can go for spotdodge when you see it coming or just shield and use something like DB OoS, or DS when they hit the shield.
You can also use counter off the stage in very specific instances. For instance, my friend mains DK and likes to gimp me with bairs off the stage so occasionally I'll throw counter out there to scare him. In most instances it's best to use fair and try to recover low, however, if they're harassing you off the stage. Ledgedrop counter is also useful in some instances.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
Seeing how much I abuse Ike's iasa frames on all of his aerials, his fsmash, and his usmash (which has around 20 iasa frames), I made sure to find out what attacks have iasa frames on them. I just need to stop using Dair; I'm too used to having a dair with good iasa frames so I don't get punished for using it....
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Congrats Mr. Smash Lord.Uh... no. Brawl IASA means interrupting with anything.
Edit: lol wut? My one grand post and I didn't even notice
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Congrats. You are currently 50 times better than me with Marth and share the same status as me. But in all seriousness, I'm getting better. Solid, when is that tourney?Uh... no. Brawl IASA means interrupting with anything.
Edit: lol wut? My one grand post and I didn't even notice
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I'm really not sure, profile message me though I guess.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
You mean now or later? And are you going to go to the one in Gurnee December 13th?
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I'm no sure if I can, profile message me now I guess, I posted one on yours.
toasty
Smash Hero
I don't know what the most frequently checked/subscribed threads are on the Marth boards but I'll post this link here and in the video thread...hope you don't mind (and hope you enjoy 
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http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=208030
)http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=208030
Daedatheus
Smash Lord
Hey guys.
Just wanted to get something straight, because I heard things here and there - if you ledgehop fair through the stage (IE not jumping back onto the stage with fair) before invinc frames run out, to poke at a pesky edge camper, do you retain the invincibility during that ledgehop?
Thanks
Just wanted to get something straight, because I heard things here and there - if you ledgehop fair through the stage (IE not jumping back onto the stage with fair) before invinc frames run out, to poke at a pesky edge camper, do you retain the invincibility during that ledgehop?
Thanks