Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[earla]

what are marths best options to deal with characters planking?

pit? if pit planks with arrows, up airs.

if i run off bair, that puts me in a bad position. maybe grab the edge force them on stage?

tips please?

 

[Albert.]

what are marths best options to deal with characters planking?

pit? if pit planks with arrows, up airs.

if i run off bair, that puts me in a bad position. maybe grab the edge force them on stage?

tips please?

Dair,

Power shield the arrows.

Don't let them have the percent lead, so that what they're doing is pointless

 

[Reizilla]

Powershield and be patient until they try to mix it up or mess up their timing and then punish with a poke (dtilt). Dair is too laggy and if you time it wrong, you'll take more damage than being patient.

@platform cancel question dude, you can only cancel on moving platforms.

 

[Raziek]

Is it something to do with moving/transformation platforms only?

To my knowledge, that's exactly what it is.

 

[∫unk]

Your options are limited, but they aren't completely gone if a Pit planks (unlike MK planking).

Just do something they don't expect. Grab the ledge, then db1 towards them (letting go of the ledge) and double jump f-air them. Next time charge shieldbreaker on stage. You gotta be random... in a limited situation never go for the same thing twice, unless they're dumb and it's consistently working.

Also, if you grab the ledge and Pit goes on stage, most Pit's are horrible at fighting (read: dodge spam) so you can beat them pretty easy. Remember his f-roll is good. Poke once outside his range and see what he does.

 

[6Mizu]

How do you platform cancel (w/ marth)? Explain please.
I've seen a bunch of marths' do it. And, I had Kadaj explain it to me...but I do not understand. Is there a vid or maybe a thread?

 

[Reizilla]

Basically, jump through a moving platform (lylat or smashville usually) and hit down on the c-stick, right about when your feet go through

 

[6Mizu]

Basically, jump through a moving platform (lylat or smashville usually) and hit down on the c-stick, right about when your feet go through

And, I'm guessing the better your timing the less lag there is?

 

[Reizilla]

There shouldn't be any lag at all. Not with marth, at least. I know Snake has lag, but not Marth.

 

[6Mizu]

Oh, does it have to be a moving platform? or any platform?

 

[Reizilla]

Has to be moving. Delfino is technically moving, but I don't think it counts XD

 

[6Mizu]

Has to be moving. Delfino is technically moving, but I don't think it counts XD

Ah. I see. So you can do it only on SV and Lylat?

 

[Reizilla]

Yoshi's Island center plat also works. Umm... I think there are more, but I'm not sure.

 

[6Mizu]

Basically, jump through a moving platform (lylat or smashville usually) and hit down on the c-stick, right about when your feet go through

Is it the same button input with w/ other characters?

Yoshi's Island center plat also works. Umm... I think there are more, but I'm not sure.

k.

 

[Mr-R]

i've seen mike platform cancel on almost all the platforms at rainbowcruise iirc

 

[_Kadaj_]

Works on SV, Lylat, Yoshi's, Delfino, Rainbow Cruise, PictoChat, and maybe a few others

 

[Blacknight99923]

I've accidentally done it on norfair when the thing moves for the lava hut

 

[Pierce7d]

FYI, on platforms that are just moving to adjust, you can do it. So when the Delfino platforms are rising or lowering into the next scene, when Halberd is doing the same, etc, you can platofrm Cancel. Rainbow Cruise is constantly moving, so almost all of it's platforms can be cancelled onto (carpets are special, and you cannot).

 

[6Mizu]

Is it the same button input with w/ other characters?

No one answered this.

 

[Duff0]

No one answered this.

Yes .

 

[earla]

how frequently should a player be looking at %'s?

and in doubles?

 

[Reizilla]

ALWAY S

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[Pierce7d]

When it matters. I glance at percents to see which moves will kill, and what combos are applicable (like Dair to Bair on Diddy)

 

[earla]

when does Full hop Dair double jump Bair true combo on diddy?

what are your thoughts on dair to bair in general? ike has the same combo i believe at around 30%

 

[Pierce7d]

It's applicable on different characters at different percents. Obviously, more hitstun is present at higher percents, so you want heavier characters that fall fast around the 80 percent area (give or take 20%)

MK is too light to perform it on. If you have frame advance (I don't), then try testing with a partner to see how many frames of advantage you have when comparing the ending lag of Dair to the opponent's hitstun, at various percents.

Typically, it's pretty picky to land, and that's provided the opponent's didn't DI in an annoying way. Regardless, it's still a good trap, depending on your opponent's options. Even if they airdodge, they get caught by FF Fair or a trap on the ground. If they jump, Bair may still connect, or you can set up a landing trap.

 

[earla]

sounds good. cheers pierce

what's best neutral to take a snake to out of > and y?

yoshis, smashville, pokemon stadium, battlefield, lylat

 

[Shaya]

smashville all day.

Platform camp, all day.

 

[LooftWaffles]

smashville all day.

Platform camp, all day.

Provided its a starter, wouldn't Lylat be a better option?

The platforms function similar to BF, with the huge bonus of being platform cancelable.

The tilting also helps Marth gimp snake out of his cypher- if Snake is offstage and the stage is tilted above Snake, we are in perfect Dair or Bair territory.
If the stage is tilted below snake, we are able to pressure him into landing on a platform.

This is assuming no Dolphin Slash SDs

 

[earla]

platform camp? how do we avoid snakes nades?

 

[Toby.]

Shielding, jumping, spotdodging, moving to the sides, getting on/off the platform.

 

[Shaya]

Mostly jumping.

 

[earla]

whats a good way to gauge how many safe pummels you can get ?

 

[Reizilla]

20-40 = 1
40-100 = 2
100+ = 3

That's just what I usually do. Some people just know how to mash though.

 

[earla]

curious: what are the important things the top players are thinking about during a game?

 

[Pr0phetic]

curious: what are the important things the top players are thinking about during a game?

They're opponents actions, they're options, the situation, punishments, and keeping cool.

 

[earla]

at the moment im at the point where i think about opponents patterns and how to punish, overall strategy and spacing generally. im determined to take my game further.

any more tips would be much appreciated

 

[Toby.]

im determined to take my game further.

any more tips would be much appreciated

Those two lines are why you are my favourite Australian smasher

Almost everyone else lacks at least one of those qualities.

 

[Neon X]

I need to know how to platform Cancel with Marth.

 

[Reizilla]

C'mon, mayne. It's mentioned like 10 times in the last 5 pages -_-

Dair as your feet pass through a moving platform.

 

[Toby.]

Or hold down and aerial as your feet pass through the platform.

It can be better to hold down + fair if can't perform the cancel with 100% accuracy. Then you aren't stuck in the end lag of dair for the next hundred years.