Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[earla]

can't find brawl statistics list.

you get invincibility after leaving the respawn platform correct? how many frames invincibility do you get (converted to seconds please) cheers

best technique for mashin out of grabs?

 

[Duff0]

120 frames or 2 seconds

And for grabs, just mash everything lol. It's smart to keep your DI though.

 

[Reizilla]

Just know that if you mash everything, you'll probably get a jump break.

 

[earla]

thanks. and power shielding? how many frames in order to power shield.

 

[Teh Future]

anywhere to get marf grab release info?

 

[mikeHAZE]

right here, ask away

 

[C.J.]

Mike, does air release to fair work on DDD/Snake? I remember Junk saying you two practiced it some, but never got a conclusive answer as to whether it is legitimate or not (assuming they do input a jump release ofc.)

 

[earla]

does platform cancelling have any lag at all?

can all characters platform cancel?

 

[Shaya]

1. Fair works on Dedede, but technically Snake can air dodge/jump to avoid it.

2. Not sure about no lag, but it's very minimal

3. Yes all characters. Marth happens to be able to do it quite easily compared to most.

 

[∫unk]

I believe Marth can do it on both of his jumps.

Some characters like DDD can only do it on their full hop.

 

[Blacknight99923]

I personally find platform canceling extremely difficult as metaknight but quite easy as marth.

 

[earla]

what is a 'spacing trap' defined as?

some examples of how to set them up? thanks

 

[Shaya]

forward airing their shield in such a way/distance that they would think it was a shield grab opportunity, but, IT WASN'T!

SO THEY GO FOR A SHIELD GRAB AND MISS!
Spacing trap!

 

[earla]

so imperfectly spaced but SLIGHTLY out of their grab range?

very interesting.

any other eg's guys?

will start thinking of some of my own to share as well.

 

[Reizilla]

not sure about this, can some one confirm it for me, but i think if marth has ds lag from the ledge and tries to platform cancel, he gets some lag on the platform cancel, no?

I usually platform cancel with down c-stick, maybe that has something to do with it, if it's true?

 

[Shaya]

Was pretty sure marth doesn't get ds landing lag if he platform cancels.

Smashville be a ****ing epic stage for marth for a reason.

 

[earla]

can someone please link me to hitbox visuals youtube clip?

also, how many frames it it to put up a shield? is it the same for every char?

why is platform camping on SV a good option against snake?

why would snake want to air release out of marths grab instead of ground release?

 

[dean.]

Hi Earl
Hitboxes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzAWoZsGpwQ
Shield is one frame I'm pretty sure, same for every character (except maybe Yoshi... but noone cares about Yoshi)

 

[mikeHAZE]

Was pretty sure marth doesn't get ds landing lag if he platform cancels.

Smashville be a ****ing epic stage for marth for a reason.

no, marth still gets landing lag

 

[C.J.]

can someone please link me to hitbox visuals youtube clip?

also, how many frames it it to put up a shield? is it the same for every char?

why is platform camping on SV a good option against snake?

why would snake want to air release out of marths grab instead of ground release?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzAWoZsGpwQ

frame 2

because he can't hit you unless you're dumb and let yourself get blown up by nades

he wouldn't but people mash buttons/spin the analog which means they may hit a jump command.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Shield comes up frame 1.

 

[C.J.]

You sure? That's what I always thought but I have been told a lot recently that it's frame 2...
*doesn't know what to believe anymore.

 

[earla]

frame 1 or 2? lol someone clear this up please.

also: looking at marths f-tilt, why is it hit 7-11 instead of just 1 number?

Forward Tilt
Hit: 7-11
End: 39
IASA: 35
Shield Stun: 10
~Shield Hit Lag: 4
ADVANTAGE: -22
Tipper Shield Stun: 12
~Shield Hit Lag: 11
ADVANTAGE: -27

 

[Reizilla]

Because those are all of the frames that the hitbox is out on. Starts on 7, and the last from of the hitbox is 11.

 

[Foodies]

I also have read contradictory information about the shield frame data, so I looked around the other boards. Most character's frame data threads (the ones that have them at least) say shield comes up on frame 1. But in both the ZSS and PT guides it is mentioned that shield comes up on frame 2 (interesting because ZSS and Squirtle both have frame 1 jabs). The PT guide also mentioned that Squirtle's ground release to jab was pretty much guaranteed because of this. The PT guide actually contradicted its own frame data thread... Maybe someone should retest it, but since the majority of the boards say 1 frame, I'd go with 1.


tldr; Shield = frame 1.

 

[Shaya]

Yeah grab release to jab is guaranteed because every character in the game who ground grab releases another has a 1 frame advantage on them.

(i.e. the player who grabs is free to move from frame 29, the person who got released is free frame 30).

 

[Albert.]

Yeah grab release to jab is guaranteed because every character in the game who ground grab releases another has a 1 frame advantage on them.

(i.e. the player who grabs is free to move from frame 29, the person who got released is free frame 30).

Kith was doign that s*** to me LOL every grab he got with squirtle = 2-3 pummels and then a full jab combo off of ground release

 

[omega zero]

Quick question. As Marth, how do you handle/punish Snake's dash attack and his F-Tilt? Whenever I go for the D Blade, I get whacked by the F-Tilt.

 

[Toby.]

Kith was doign that s*** to me LOL every grab he got with squirtle = 2-3 pummels and then a full jab combo off of ground release

If you knew he was doing that every time, why didn't you **** him for it? Just curious.

 

[Shaya]

Albert didn't know that squirtle's jab has a super SDI rate (like pikachu's dsmash) and hence like one maybe TWO tap(s) forward would place him behind squirtle for some quick LOVE LOVE.

Also the jabs would only really combo if they trippp~

 

[Reizilla]

Omega zero, if you know he's going to ftilt every time, just outspace him or block and then punish it. Don't just run in after. Hell, if you KNOW he's gonna do it, throw in a counter to make him think twice.

 

[Ced5000]

Ok ive been ko ed my last two tourneys by an IC im really having trouble approaching at times especially when he does standing walking blizzard anyone have any tips?

 

[Foodies]

Don't approach if you don't have to. You can DI and fair/counter/DS the blizzard.

More matchup info on IC's can be found here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=239568

 

[Shaya]

another thing is that desynchs take time to set up for most IC players.

If they've started the wall, doing your best to get behind them (SDIng blizzard even!) through any means possible means the desynch has to be reconfigured.

 

[earla]

accidental double post. refer to 2nd post please delete this.

 

[earla]

which % does marth grab release dair spike on mk ko guranteed?

will it still ko if it is stale? if not how much more % will you need?

does grab release dair also work on pikachu or any other characters?

does marth have any frame perfect combos/techniques?

what other grab release combos does marth have?

(haven't located brawl stats thread)

how many frames is teching? tech rolls?

how many frames is auto cancelled fair,uair ?

 

[Toby.]

The only other character he can dair out of an air release is Squirtle.

 

[Foodies]

Don't forget about Wario

And wow, you sure have a lot of questions earla.
-Not sure about the exact % for spiking MK, but I'm guessing around the 30s.
-Why is your Dair stale? Shouldn't be that much more anyway...
- See above.
-Grab release Dair on MK is pretty strict. There's also the f/dthrow combos on Fox/Falco and such. Grab release tipper Fsmash on Wario also needs practice. Here's a thread that might interest you: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=234060
- Off the top of my head :
Wario (Fsmash, Usmash, Nair, Utilt, Dair)
Squirtle (Fsmash, Usmash, Fair, Dair)
MK (Dash attack, Fair, Dair, DS)
Ness/Lucas ground release (regrab, fsmash, dsmash) Apparently they can DI it though. But it's probably banned anyway.
- Don't know much about frame data. Tech rolls are different for each character.

Answered to the best of my abilities. If anyone sees anything wrong, please correct me.

 

[earla]

thanks alot foodies.

i've been through the falco matchup thread in marth and the falcos boards. no info. on stages.

can people plz give me tips on which neutrals/cps to ban or cp vs falco?

 

[Player-3]

ban FD, i'd try to go to bf or lylat (if it's neutral where you are, it is here) for the platforms