Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[LordAizen]

So who deals with Meta Knight cuz I know Snake does but I don't like Snake

 

[uhmuzing]

So who deals with Meta Knight cuz I know Snake does but I don't like Snake

Yeah, Snake's okay, but if you don't want to use him or play the ditto, you might try.... Falco or Wario? Or maybe Diddy. I think Pika and ZSS do decently too among others, but it starts getting harder the farther down you go and what rei said a minute ago is the best route.

 

[Reizilla]

Oh yeah, forgot about ICs. That's a "bad" one too. Falco goes "even" with MK. The only one that handles MK is MK. Snake does well. Diddy does well. And that's about it for viable characters.

 

[Player-3]

diddy would have an advantage over MK if it wasn't for the plethora of gay stages for mk to pick against him

if it was like... fd/bf/sv it'd be in diddys favor rofl


diddy does good agaisnt him

 

[Reizilla]

FD and SV, it's even, IMO. Any other stage (except maybe picto, kind of a gamble) is a disadvantage.

 

[LordAizen]

So Falco is a good secondary then? That's the one I'm leaning towards the most.

 

[Blacknight99923]

yep, I think other than turning to the dark side falco is your best option

 

[LordAizen]

what do you mean the dark side?

 

[Reizilla]

Maining MK = the dark side, to some. Although, all true marth mains secretly main MK.

 

[Almo]

is there any way to overcome mental blocks to a certain character? i've been having so much trouble in a few matchups and no matter how much i try to understand them i always lose.

 

[Reizilla]

You could try taking a short break, just to get away from stressing about it. You could try playing it with other characters, or playing as that character, to see how they work and what they can be succeptable to. Just thoughts.

 

[earla]

beginner question:

when looking at frame data, the advantage's opponents have listed. are they taking into account power shielding or normal shield advantage?

are many moves in the game at all save on power shield?

cheers

 

[Reizilla]

Normal shield. Power shielding has much better advantage. Not a whole lot of moves are safe on shield. Perfect ff fair and dtilt are like the only ones for marth.

 

[Lord Chair]

Uh no, not even fair and dtilt are safe when responded to properly.

 

[Blacknight99923]

your right, assuming you don't respond properly either, you actually have 3 frames to buffer DS and by extension grab before they can punish you


I think

 

[LordAizen]

I'm curious what does FF mean?

 

[Blacknight99923]

fast fall, fast fall fair reduces lag

 

[LordAizen]

Ok thank you. I always read people put FF *insert attack* and it kept confusing me lol.

I thought it meant full force(which I thought meant hitting with the tip)

 

[Lord Chair]

your right, assuming you don't respond properly either, you actually have 3 frames to buffer DS and by extension grab before they can punish you


I think

That's normal shielding. We're talking about powershielding :|

 

[Reizilla]

I was talking about normal shield. Should've specified, I guess. Yeah, powershielding is a completely different case. Try MK's dtilt or Lucarios aura sphere is you wanna be safe on PS.

 

[Lord Chair]

MK's dtilt is punishable on PS as well, for most characters.

 

[Saske Kedari]

i have a question how do you glide toss a item?

 

[Blacknight99923]

That's normal shielding. We're talking about powershielding :|

if your fair is powershielded you did it wrong

 

[Saske Kedari]

soooo can i get a answer on this how do ya Glide Toss a item?!

 

[Blacknight99923]

try youtube lol


but its shield side on control stick and any direction on C stick, its shouldn't be to hard. go to training mode and try it out with a character like diddy who can pull them out easily

 

[Shaya]

ff tipper fair power shielded is pretty much non-punishable still.

 

[Lord Chair]

Am I wrong at stating a PSed FF tipper fair at -21?

 

[Shaya]

No no.

Non-tippered ps fair is like -7, tippered is like -10?

The frame data that you currently have has "shield stun" as "hit lag + shield stun".
Power shielding only removes the hit lag. Shield Stun still applies.

Hit lag for non tippered fair is like 4/5 frames. Tipper is 6 or 7 (but there is skewed maths relating to marth's tipper hits on shield in terms of experienced hit lag anyway, so the "disadvantage" difference is not as large between normal and ps'd tipper hits because of this)

[As in, the reason why non tippered fair is so safe, is because the experienced hit lag that marth receives is LESS than what the opponent gets, giving the opponent an extra "pseudo" shield stun.]

 

[Tokyoinamerica]

Is there a term thread anywhere?

I need to memorize all of the terms.

 

[Remzi]

we should be releasing a new one from the smash lab pretty soon

 

[earla]

just read something le thein posted in regards to marth vs diddy.

he said at 25% you can f-throw off stage > dair spike because the f-throw would have enough stun.

he also stated that at 30-45% it would be a garantee KO.

how legitimate are his statements?

if correct, does that mean at certain %'s on every character we can f-throw spike?

cheers

 

[Remzi]

All of that is false, lol.

 

[Tokyoinamerica]

we should be releasing a new one from the smash lab pretty soon

Good to hear

 

[earla]

what is the best way to practice grab release dair on mk?

training mode ?

how do you tell if you're doing it correctly?

cheers

 

[Reizilla]

Get a human opponent to mash uair. That's the only way to know if you're getting it right.

 

[Acton]

Hey guys!

I just wanted to introduce myself, my name is Acton and I'm a falco main.

Marth is one of the harder MU's for me personally and I'm trying to step it up. So I'm looking for any Marth mains that want to play friendlies on wifi on a regular basis. Unfortunately I work full time so I'm usually on from 12am-4am est, plus the weekends.

I'm also looking for general tips on the Marth Falco mu, like how I should approach this MU, whether or not Marth uses any gimmicks to beat falco etc.

My aim is xXAccalonXx, feel free to hit me up between 12am-4am est or leave a message for me on aim. I'm on the whole weekend!

Thanks!

 

[Albert.]

Hey guys!

I just wanted to introduce myself, my name is Acton and I'm a falco main.

Marth is one of the harder MU's for me personally and I'm trying to step it up. So I'm looking for any Marth mains that want to play friendlies on wifi on a regular basis. Unfortunately I work full time so I'm usually on from 12am-4am est, plus the weekends.

I'm also looking for general tips on the Marth Falco mu, like how I should approach this MU, whether or not Marth uses any gimmicks to beat falco etc.

My aim is xXAccalonXx, feel free to hit me up between 12am-4am est or leave a message for me on aim. I'm on the whole weekend!

Thanks!

You should find any of the numerous sets on Youtube where SK92, DEHF, or Kismet beat some of our best marth players.

 

[Rasenkiri]

Hi everyone! I'm rasenkiri and I'n new to the boards. I've been smashing ever since brawl was released as a Marth main, and while I've gone to some local tournies and brawled with some experienced players, I know I still have a lot of room for improvement. I just want to know of any good tricks and tactics to get better with Marth overall. Like what are some good techs and stratagies that are useful? Thanks in advance

 

[Albert.]

Hi everyone! I'm rasenkiri and I'n new to the boards. I've been smashing ever since brawl was released as a Marth main, and while I've gone to some local tournies and brawled with some experienced players, I know I still have a lot of room for improvement. I just want to know of any good tricks and tactics to get better with Marth overall. Like what are some good techs and stratagies that are useful? Thanks in advance

Don't get hit.

Look in the threads guide. Look for Junk's

 

[salsa~]

is there any way to grab release mk to tipper dash attack?