Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Yeah it does Just keep in mind that for both Fsmash and SB, Marth will move forward a bit, so don't release SB too early unless you're spaced, or else his fsmash might hit you since you leaned forward and may outprioritize your move.

The range that you would stand outside of a Marth's fsmash would be about the same distance as his roll.

Lol just realized, that if he happens to shield the SB, his shield would break anyway XD.

 

[Gah777]

Awesome. Now I just need to work on my spacing.

Edit: (didn't want to double post) Does uair outrange dair?

 

[Radiant Howl]

I plan on picking up Marth to help my main on his more worse matchups.

What are some playstyles or tips I could use aganist the top and higher tiered characters? (Not metaknight)

 

[Gah777]

I plan on picking up Marth to help my main on his more worse matchups.

What are some playstyles or tips I could use aganist the top and higher tiered characters? (Not metaknight)

Well a lot of times you can use fair as an approach and DB as a punisher. Try not to overuse fsmash since it can be predictable. In general try not to be predictable, and get used to Marth's spacing (tipper range).

 

[ViCTORiOUSViC]

BUT
On Snake, you may want to use Dtilt most of the time and make juggle traps
Approaching Snake on ground with Fair can be risky when he has a grenade on him

 

[Gah777]

BUT
On Snake, you may want to use Dtilt most of the time and make juggle traps
Approaching Snake on ground with Fair can be risky when he has a grenade on him

Good point.

I recomend going around to the different character discussion boards and do some research on charcters you're curious about. Find out how people who actually play that character feel, and what they think thier assets and weanesses are. You can also learn quite a bit by comparing matchup disscussions arcoss boards.

 

[Reizilla]

No. The only thing you can do to cancel your momentum while DIing vertically is fastfalling. Csticking a dair is a fastfall (from frame 1 on, yes) so there's no point in not doing it (at higher percentages, it was noted earlier that doing so at low percentages gets your Dair punished).

Why would you jump when DIing vertically? Exactly, you don't.

You would jump when getting sent to the very corner, which is where good DI should often send you.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

You would jump when getting sent to the very corner, which is where good DI should often send you.

This.

Whenever you survival DI, you should aim for the top corners, as they are the farthest from the Death Zone.

 

[Lord Chair]

You would jump when getting sent to the very corner, which is where good DI should often send you.

It doesn't come down to that all the time. When getting hit by i.e. D3's utilt at the center of FD, you won't manage to get all the way to the corner. That was kind of the situation I'm referring to when talking about vertical DI. And really, when I get hit by D3's utilt the last thing I'd do is jumping on my way up.

Just saying.

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

I'm not understand why you need to jump. May be I'm not reading your guys' post right. Can you clarify?

And just to be exact, the corners are right next to the Blast Zone lol XD. I know what you mean though.

"Awesome. Now I just need to work on my spacing.

Edit: (didn't want to double post) Does uair outrange dair?"

Hard to say, as it really depends what position you are in, and whether or not you're right below/above or slightly to the side. It also depends on how fast both of you are falling, or when you initiate the attack, etc.

 

[Punishment Divine]

Jumping gives you control of your character. The bad part about that with Marth as opposed to, say, DK, is that Marth's 2nd jump is super important in recovering.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Uair outranges Dair iirc.

 

[ViCTORiOUSViC]

Uair outranges Dair iirc.

really? it looks even to me

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

really? it looks even to me

Hey, Imma let you finish, but you can't see hitboxes at any time.

 

[ViCTORiOUSViC]

I know you can't see the hitboxes
But at a view it seems even

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Hey victoriousivc, i'm happy for you, and ima let you finish, but it's really hard to say. Again, depends on when you start each attack... we need specific conditions to find answers to these kinds of things .

 

[Actraiser]

I had been a habitual roller for quiet a while but now I feel I have gotten it down to a minimum in my games. However I still roll around enough sometimes to as where I get frowned upon by some people. My question is: Are there times where rolling is necessary or should I just concentrate on dropping it from my game completely?

 

[ViCTORiOUSViC]

Hey victoriousivc, i'm happy for you, and ima let you finish, but it's really hard to say. Again, depends on when you start each attack... we need specific conditions to find answers to these kinds of things .

Huh?
Finish what?
And what kind of conditions?

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

Huh?
Finish what?
And what kind of conditions?

Someone is a little bit slow on the up-take.

It's an allusion the, now infamous, "speech" that Kanye gave Taylor Swift.

The conditions being the situation you're in.

 

[phi1ny3]

I had been a habitual roller for quiet a while but now I feel I have gotten it down to a minimum in my games. However I still roll around enough sometimes to as where I get frowned upon by some people. My question is: Are there times where rolling is necessary or should I just concentrate on dropping it from my game completely?

Just a hint, when you've learned to use roll as a conditional option and less as a form of movement, you're making progress.
Overall for marth though you should probably minimize how much you roll, your aerial movement + fair and all that is pretty mad safe to begin with, and marth's rolls are pretty bad

 

[ViCTORiOUSViC]

Oh..eh I just got lost somehow
I get it now

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

Lol. Rukkiko's probably right though, uair is generally longer ranged.

 

[phi1ny3]

Ya most chars get ***** from underneath.

 

[Gekoo]

im starting to play my marth VEEERRRYYYY defensive. any tips?pl0x?

 

[Palpi]

I think Neo can help you with that. LOL

 

[Albert.]

im starting to play my marth VEEERRRYYYY defensive. any tips?pl0x?

Don't get hit.

Try to avoid having to play a MK or Snake in tourney. LOLLL

 

[Yoshi Kirishima]

"Don't get hit.

Try to avoid having to play a MK or Snake in tourney. LOLLL"

You took my words .

Yes, simply don't get hit! If they're cornering you off the stage, you can try to get past them by running etc to the other side so you have space to space. Good players may block you from getting to the other side, but it's still effective.

Or, even use the highly debated strategy of planking .

 

[C.J.]

Better tips:
Don't play defensive.... attack more

 

[BacklashMarth]

im starting to play my marth VEEERRRYYYY defensive. any tips?pl0x?

Fight snake, try to outcamp him or force him to approach. Get 3 stocked. Realize that sitting back is gettin u ***** by nades. Play like your controller is one big c stick and A button. Never play defensive again.

 

[Shadowblazen]

Play like your controller is one big c stick and A button.

<< what he said. Going all out aggro is just too fun.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

<< what he said. Going all out aggro is just too fun.

I do it all the time and I'm horrible at Brawl.

What does that tell you?

 

[Shadowblazen]

I do it all the time and I'm horrible at Brawl.

What does that tell you?

That aggro doesn't work well for you? I don't know. In my opinion what makes it so much fun is that it's more challenging/difficult to play aggro in Brawl than in Melee.

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

That aggro doesn't work well for you? I don't know. In my opinion what makes it so much fun is that it's more challenging/difficult to play aggro in Brawl than in Melee.

Sorry, do I know you?

Spoiler

Am I doing it right, guys?

 

[Reizilla]

no.

ten nos.

 

[Shaya]

Fight snake, try to outcamp him or force him to approach. Get 3 stocked. Realize that sitting back is gettin u ***** by nades.

Yet this is the strategy I employed to beat Ken Neth at Genesis and one match off Hall at Evo (having 2 very close matches at another tournament with me also using this strat). No ***** by Nades, no 3 stocks.

It may not be the most effective strategy against Snake; but it has given me matches against well known/good ones.

Don't listen to people who are like "THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY".
Marth is a GOOD CHARACTER for a reason. He has OPTIONS COMING OUT OF HIS ***.

 

[Gekoo]

hmmm well im gonna try to play defensive....and if that dont work im gonna fair the **** out of the opponent :D

 

[Xisin]

Yet this is the strategy I employed to beat Ken Neth at Genesis and one match off Hall at Evo (having 2 very close matches at another tournament with me also using this strat). No ***** by Nades, no 3 stocks.

It may not be the most effective strategy against Snake; but it has given me matches against well known/good ones.

Don't listen to people who are like "THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY".
Marth is a GOOD CHARACTER for a reason. He has OPTIONS COMING OUT OF HIS ***.

Exactly. Some people just like regurgitating information thats stated by someone that is proven to be good at the game and saying it is fact.. when it isn't

The only time i beat Neo (offensive marth.) is when i camp the holy **** out of him... If i aggro he tears me apart... do what works not whats suggested. Practice differing styles as one may work better vs one player than the next. You're not only playing characters in this game. I generally try to practice offense whenever i can, but I'm just better at defense naturally i guess... But It doesn't hurt for me to be good at both. What I'm saying is in a game you should be constantly adapting to your opponent-- even if that means changing your style during that game.

 

[/~Dogma~\]

is the marth infinite on wario known or used?

 

[Thunder Of Zeus]

is the marth infinite on wario known or used?

Yes and no.

 

[Player-3]

marth infinite?
what