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[Blue Yoshi]

Probably a nooby question:

I think everyone here knows about how most character's forward tilt and forward smash can be angled up or down. My question is what is different between the three? Obveously the hitbox changes to a bit higher or a bit lower (useful depending on where the character is), but is there some other significance for doing this? Is the attack damage and knockback affected by this?

 

[Skrlx]

Probably a nooby question:

I think everyone here knows about how most character's forward tilt and forward smash can be angled up or down. My question is what is different between the three? Obveously the hitbox changes to a bit higher or a bit lower (useful depending on where the character is), but is there some other significance for doing this? Is the attack damage and knockback affected by this?

i think fox's lowered f-tilt has no knockback at all whereas his normal f-tilt and raised u-tilt do have knockback

 

[asianaussie]

Some high F-Tilts have a couple extra frames hitstun.

 

[House]

All up-aimed Fsmashes and Ftilts will deal higher damage %/knockback than standard/down-aimed ones.

 

[asianaussie]

Cool. Can Link's F-Smash be angled?

 

[House]

Cool. Can Link's F-Smash be angled?

That certainly is a noobish question (no offense). Not all Fsmashes/tilts may be angled.

 

[asianaussie]

Just wondering. You know the mechanics better than anyone else.

 

[P D]

lol
what if link had a djc

 

[Daedatheus]

lol
what if link had a djc

DJC Dairs?

'twould ****!

 

[Surri-Sama]

Trying to get near a pikachu with DJC would be funny

 

[Superstar]

How would one beat a Pikachu with perfect DJC uairs?

Or am I unimaginative?

 

[StealthyGunnar]

CA5H. can you play other games on your computer without them crashing? Do you know whether you have integrated graphics or a separate graphics card?

I haven't really tried playing other games on my computer. I also have no idea if i have an integrated graphics or a separate card. But I really think there should be no problem. Like I said, this is a *newer* computer. I have downloaded project64k and ssb64 rom on my dad's computer and I have no problems.

Also, I can't find my ssb64 rom ANYWHERE on my mom's computer even though I have put it in several different folders. Finally, when I open my project64, not only does it say "Direct3D does not recognize your HAL device," but I can't even click on my "configure graphics," "configure audio," or any of those "configure" options at all!

 

[NixxxoN]

I have a question, why is EGX down yet again... Its like a rollercoaster up and down

 

[Lovage]

can fox teleport different lengths? or is every teleport the SAME

 

[P D]

I have a question, why is EGX down yet again... Its like a rollercoaster up and down

no its a

LOLLERCOASTER

can fox teleport different lengths? or is every teleport the SAME

its extended, normal, and no teleport


and japenese smash has a really long one too

 

[Shearsy]

three questions:

how do you jump off a ledge once hanging on? A, B and Z get me rolling evasively or clearing. i want to leap backwards.

how do you make mario's tornado take him upwards? i tried to use it to assist my jump back but couldn't stop him from rapidly descending. i'm sure puff's rising pound similarly relates to this but again can't make him rise up.

are there significant differences between gameplay on a console and keyboard online? i play just console.

 

[ballin4life]

three questions:

how do you jump off a ledge once hanging on? A, B and Z get me rolling evasively or clearing. i want to leap backwards.

how do you make mario's tornado take him upwards? i tried to use it to assist my jump back but couldn't stop him from rapidly descending. i'm sure puff's rising pound similarly relates to this but again can't make him rise up.

are there significant differences between gameplay on a console and keyboard online? i play just console.

Tap the control stick away from the edge and you'll let go. Also, if you tap down you'll let go and fast fall.

For the mario tornado you just have to tap b really fast (same for Luigi). For Jiggly's pound you press b and then hold the control stick up, which angles your pound upwards.

 

[Shearsy]

cheers mate

 

[Surri-Sama]

I have a question, why is EGX down yet again... Its like a rollercoaster up and down

It's currently up again, I am not sure what keeps happening, Near wont message me O_o

 

[MattNF]

cheers mate

I hope I'm not the only one who read this in the Demoman's voice

 

[Pav7300]

and japenese smash has a really long one too

Am I the only one to scroll from down -> up?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Question 1: I'm a beginner with Ness, playing on the computer with a Game Pad. I can DJC, but at the moment I don't see how useful it is. I see videos of Ness players breaking shields and comboing opponents with the technique, but I can't do it fluently enough for it to be useful.
~ How do I approach properly with it, I can't seem to get people in the position I want to DJC attacks.
~ How do I break shields.
~ What are the best combo moves to use (Uair???)

Question 2: Is there a PSA-kinda thing for SSB64? Or just something which can edit damage and moves like the PSA can.

 

[ballin4life]

To break shield with ness you just do a bunch of quick djc attacks in a row. Make sure that you are sliding your thumb from right c to down c to a (if you're using n64 controller, otherwise try to set it up so you can slide like this to djc really fast).

And yeah uair is one of the best combo moves along with utilt. You can sometimes chain fairs but that's pretty hard to do. Also you may want to use fair/nair/bair to dair as a finisher if you are by the edge. Also remember that these moves have weak hits if you hit with the tail end of the animation. Using the weak hit can help you combo at higher percents when the strong hit would knock them too far.

 

[Deleted member]

Question 1: I'm a beginner with Ness, playing on the computer with a Game Pad. I can DJC, but at the moment I don't see how useful it is. I see videos of Ness players breaking shields and comboing opponents with the technique, but I can't do it fluently enough for it to be useful.
~ How do I approach properly with it, I can't seem to get people in the position I want to DJC attacks.
~ How do I break shields.
~ What are the best combo moves to use (Uair???)

Question 2: Is there a PSA-kinda thing for SSB64? Or just something which can edit damage and moves like the PSA can.

-Ness's safest approach is djc up-air because hardly any aerials beat it, Ness has a big head

-Comboing with Ness:

up-tilt is a good combo starter and you should use it if you know some moron is going to jump on you with an attack, it beats a LOT of aerial moves.

If you whiff with up-tilt you may get owned


No platform- use up-airs, when it gets a little bit too high for more up-airs, you can either stomp and somehow tech chase, or do a weakened n-air, f-air, into another aerial

If you are next to an edge, you can spam n-air, f-air, f-air, stomp to gimp them off the edge

or a fancier way against heavier characters like fox is doing up-tilt, up-air, up-air, up-air, REVERSE f-air (where you collide with Ness's arms instead of his hands to send the opponent backwards off the edge), to stomp.


If you are on a platform, you can stomp them over and over again because they are going to either tech where you stomp, they don't tech you stomp, they tech left you stomp, they tech right you stomp.

shield breaking with ness is basically using djc d-air, and maybe up-air repeatedly to **** their shield. It takes practice to do and I have never done it in my life

 

[Deleted member]

how do you beat a 2 kirby team that turn their faces to each other and start up-tilting?

 

[MattNF]

how do you beat a 2 kirby team that turn their faces to each other and start up-tilting?

Press the start button then press A, B, Z and R at the same time

 

[asianaussie]

how do you beat a 2 kirby team that turn their faces to each other and start up-tilting?

With Goku's secret spinning infinite.

Also, when I jump with Fox into a roof and fire lasers, I appear to hover for a bit. However, without lasers I just drop. Is there a buffet mechanism or some sort, or is it just me?

 

[Nybb]

Question 2: Is there a PSA-kinda thing for SSB64? Or just something which can edit damage and moves like the PSA can.

That would be super cool, but no. Nobody has really bothered to hack this game to that kind of depth.

how do you beat a 2 kirby team that turn their faces to each other and start up-tilting?

 

[Daedatheus]

Also, when I jump with Fox into a roof and fire lasers, I appear to hover for a bit. However, without lasers I just drop. Is there a buffet mechanism or some sort, or is it just me?

This will also happen with certain aerials.
Not sure of the cause.

Falcon looks hilarious hovering under the rapetent with his karate-kick nair sticking out

 

[Grahf]

Question:

I'm thinking about picking up SSB again but can only really play Online.

I have a super fast computer....what emulator do you recommend me using? I looked at the Smash Index and it talked about (very briefly) the differences between the few emulators and how it will affect me along with p2p clients and such and I'm not sure what I should do that will be BEST for me.

One final question:
Can I run SSB Online from my Wii with some sort of Homebrew application? I have the WAD file installed onto my Wii...actually...I"m about to do it later today and was wondering if anythign was invented with that kind of stuff yet.

Those are my two questions.


Edit: I have an emutor version of this game on my Wii and there's this weird glitchy stripe at the top left corner of the screen while playing it's like a white bar or something. Anyone know if that's common or was in the original game? Looks liek some sort of glitch or something.

 

[Pav7300]

how do you beat a 2 kirby team that turn their faces to each other and start up-tilting?

Good timing or use an attack with more range (fireball, lazer, throw). Can use kirb's rock form. I think fox's dtilt should be able to reach.

 

[kys]

I've got a quick ping question-i've been playing online for about a month now and my ping on galaxy 64 has always been a steady 45-60 ms. I played Tuesday night with this ping, but when I tried playing on Wednesday night it magically jumped to 100+. Absolutely nothing changed between Tuesday and Wednesday, in fact, my computer wasn't even used between smash "sessions". I didn't even notice it until Malva pointed it out when i tried to join his game. Sooooooo, does anyone know what could have happened? Is it a server issue? I wouldn't mind so much because I still don't lag, but the extra input lag I get from 50 to 100 is almost unplayable. I've tried redownloading pj64k and cleaning up my computer but nothing has changed. Any help would be appreciated, so thanks in advance.

 

[ballin4life]

^ Thinly veiled name drop?

 

[StealthyGunnar]

Ok, so I've been wondering about this for a couple hours now, so I decided to post.

I play SSB64, and I was wondering if this happened to anyone else.

I like to play dittos, preferably Link vs. Link. So, today I turn on my n64 to play a little bit of Smash. I picked Luigi and decided to fight a lvl 9 Link. I start the match, and then I realize something; This Link has obviously "learned" from playing my Link. I don't know if this is just a coincidence or what, but all of the sudden, Link is a little Up+B crazy. He begins to perform combos that I would usually do, such as: Fair, Boomerange, Up+B.

This has never happened before. EVER. It's really odd because when I used to play Link dittos, and I was edgeguarding, I would throw a boomerange and hit them with the Up+B. Now Link is starting to do this?
I mean, even on the ground, randomly, he'll just perform his Up+B.

Has this happened to anyone else?

 

[ballin4life]

I feel like similar stuff has happened on my game too but I always figured that I was imagining it

 

[Nybb]

You are imagining it. Smash CPUs do not learn. It is impossible. The Link AI has likely always been doing this combo, you just never noticed it until you "discovered" the combo yourself and started considering it to be your combo. Seeing him do up-B on the ground I would say is proof that the AI doesn't learn, since this is something good players rarely ever do, and something a lot of noobs do all the time. You will never see a CPU do an l-cancel or any kind of extended combo that is typical of higher-level matches. You won't even see a CPU do Falcon's usmash * 2, uair * 4, up-B, even though it's like the most common thing ever when actual humans are playing.

 

[dch111]

Yeah I've also gotten that feeling before, several times. I feel like even if it doesn't learn anything permanent, there is at least some programming that adjusts its tactics in a particular way based on previous games it played against humans. Aside from the many statics (not doing upB a second time after being hit, rolling behind you when facing in front of you, etc.) there does seem to be some variation (never real "improvement" however).

 

[Blue Yoshi]

You won't even see a CPU do Falcon's usmash * 2, uair * 4, up-B, even though it's like the most common thing ever when actual humans are playing.

But I did see a lvl 9 Falcon do a Uair Uair Dair kill yesterday on another lvl 9 falcon. And each hit did connect to the last (i.e. was not a 'broken combo').

It's not that they are learning stuff, it's just that they just happened to do that series of attacks. They have a set program that they follow, this never changes.

 

[dch111]

All of a sudden I'm interested in seeing the actual program for the AI. That it doesn't attempt a second upB (which should be easy to implement) really bugs the hell out of me.

 

[Zen Yore]

lol cpus do cool 2-3 hit combos sometimes