Ashunera’s Library - General Discussion, Q&A and Index

[Slaps]

oops was reading the posts wrong ....

 

[Kimchi]

Yea, I don't think D-smash spikes. The only use I see for it is if you know your opponent's habits and you can use it to deal a good 10+ dmg. Also, you can use it as a part of refreshing your other moves.

BTW, I've been developing a new style, so give me some input on this. It's still in the works and if anything, I spam it like an idiot without a clear conscious on when to use it, but I've been thinking about using B-air as an approach. This consists of the fact that you have virtually no landing lag after a b-air and you can do several things afterwards from turning around and jabbing or grabbing, to doing another b-air. B-Air can be used as a retreating option or an approaching option and if used correctly, can be good against characters like DDD who are trying to CG you. Kimchi has seen some of it, but he could tell you that I look like a guy on crack when doing this.

The style's actually quite fine as long as you use it properly. If you're going to use B-air as a retreat or an approach, you're going to have to pivot jab properly each time. Grabbing would be a bit hard, because you'd have to turn out and grab, which would leave you a bit vulnerable. This style of course has its disadvantages as opposed to retreating or approaching Fair :X. But it is creative and I don't see what's wrong about it. Fair might be excluded in your moveset though :o.

 

[Rykoshet]

Nah you can rar fullhop fair if you really want to since it autocancels too.

 

[Kishin]

Hmm, never knew F-air could be auto canceled by a full hop. I think I'll be trying that now.

I think D-smash can stage spike pretty easily. I'm not entirely sure though.

Is there something in particular that makes D-smash so bad? It's the fastest of all of Ike's smashes and least laggiest. It also hits behind you. Doesn't D-smash have more range than jab? Is the sole reason why D-smash is considered bad because you simply have better options in EVERY scenario it could be used? I don't use D-smash very often at all but it doesn't seem all that bad to me. No one has brought up a very decent reason, or a combination of reasons of why it's not great. Can D-smash hit under a platform? Power -> Speed

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Least laggiest?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

No, it's crazy laggy, and unlike Fsmash, it doesn't have a good pay out for it. Nair KOs sooner then the first hit of Dsmash.

Not only is Usmash Ike's least laggy thanks to 20 frames of IASA (Dsmash has the least at 2), it's a heck of a lot stronger, faster coming out of a charge, hits behind Ike faster, has more range then Dsmash, has laser priority (like MK's sword), can by Hyphen smashed.

Dsmash is Ike's third worse move, only Uthrow and QD are worse attacking wise.

 

[Kishin]

Dsmash

Charge: 6
Hit: 13-16, 32-40
End: 74
IASA: 71

Usmash

Charge: 10
Hit: 25-33
End: 87
IASA: 67

You got me on the IASA frames part, but it comes out quicker and has it's place as perhaps Ike's 4th or 5th quickest move (excluding grabs and get-up attacks) which is why I asked earlier about it being used OoS. But that's about it, need valid reasoning and exactly why it's Ike's third worse move. Just because U-smash has certain advantages over D-smash doesn't label D-smash as bad. It's about what situations can it be applied to and comparing that same situation to other moves.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Actually, it does label Dsmash as bad, because it is. There are no situations out of Jab->Dsmash where it can be used. It's WAY too slow to use OoS. Jab is barely usable OoS for Ike. Dsmash has crap range compared to the rest of Ike's attacks, terrible attack power, too slow hitting the other side, and no reason to use it.

 

[Rykoshet]

Nair KOs sooner then the first hit of Dsmash.

I love saying this.

 

[Kishin]

Hmm, if that's your reasoning then that's fine. Does perhaps D-smash hit under platforms? It could become useful then.


On a totally unrelated note: Careful

 

[Palpi]

Just because a move isn't recodnized by the community as a good move doesn't mean it has its purpose. It is really that bad.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

lol @ Kishin's link: Thats why you fools need to buy a Mac.

And Dsmash is terrible, end of discussion. I'd rather have Ivy's Dsmash. At least it hits both sides at the same time and has less cooldown time.

 

[Kishin]

But Macs suck for gaming :<

Not end of discussion yet, question of if it hits under platforms has yet to be answered.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

But Macs suck for gaming among other things :<

Not end of discussion yet, question of if it hits under platforms has yet to be answered.

If Mac sucks at gaming, why do I enjoy StarCraft, SWBF, and Halo among other games on my Mac? And it's clearly beating PCs in every other department.

And I really don't care if Dsmash can hit under platforms: I'd rather Dtilt, at least I'd get a small bit of hitstun on it so I can possibly avoid getting pwned for hitting someone underneath me.

 

[Kimchi]

Starcraft and Halo don't really require a great computer to run, if you're talking about Halo 1 of course. I have no clue what SWBF is. DSmash isn't too bad on a platform. I could see several followups after Dsmashing on a platform, while with Dtilt, I only see a handful.

 

[comboking]

Star wars Battle front

 

[Palpi]

Don't want to get into mac vs pc discussion. If you are smart, you don't get viruses. They are easy to remove and they (macs)cost much more.

 

[Kishin]

Ike doesn't have very many options when he's above someone on a platform. D-smash could prove useful for that.

 

[Rykoshet]

Or, possibly, get off the platform.

 

[Kishin]

Or, possibly, get off the platform.

That's another option.

 

[Palpi]

drop down airdodge and then continue to jab is infinitly better than downsmash. (Because of this convo, i'll now call it lolsmash)

 

[Kishin]

Perhaps it could be used when you think they are going to try and juggle you with aerials maybe. The only character tall enough to get hit by D-smash on the platforms on Battlefield is Ganondorf. Dropping down in front of your opponent is rather dangerous.


Let's talk about the Ike's quick draw slide. That slide could help land an F-smash or U-smash of sorts. How is this not a useful technique if you're opponent is far away? You can slide into any ground move except for Aether and D-smash (for whatever reason). If they like to shield then slide into a grab. How is run back SH-> reverse quick draw -> sliding Smash not a useful mix-up?

 

[san.]

Kishin, it's just way too slow and telegraphed to work. I only find smashes useful to hit people out of dodge nowadays.

I find it much safer to just stick to a nice defensive style until you see your opponent "mess up." Mess up is anything you predict, because then the match shifts over to your favor where you can start to go on the offensive and gain momentum after landing even 1 attack.

 

[Rykoshet]

Green names are lame.

 

[comboking]

We need RED names.

 

[MysticKenji]

I want a silver name.

 

[Ussi]

Green > all other colors.. D:<

 

[Kishin]

Is this an April Fool's joke?...

 

[MysticKenji]

yes .

 

[Ussi]

Is this an April Fool's joke?...

Last year was worse

 

[metroid1117]

Why green, of all colors...? I thought yellow was fine, unless someone is having fun with April Fool's Day (I wouldn't be surprised... the Smash Workshop has a billion stickies that weren't there before). [EDIT: You guys suck, discussing it while I was posting this ]

On the other hand, if anyone is curious, I uploaded some Brawl+ videos the other day. Right now I'm leaning towards Brawl+ in terms of which is more fun (Brawl vs Brawl+), but of course anything is more fun when it feels fresh and new (having your friends like it is also a plus... haha, get it...?).

Me14k (MK) vs metroid1117 (Ike) 1 - Brawl Plussery 3.3, 3/29/09 (Me14k doesn't play a good MK)
Me14k (Olimar) vs metroid1117 (Ike) 2 - Brawl Plussery 3.3, 3/29/09

halfdemon (Pikachu) vs metroid1117 (Ike) 1 - Brawl Plussery 3.3, 3/29/09
halfdemon (DK) vs metroid1117 (Ike) 2 - Brawl Plussery 3.3, 3/29/09
halfdemon (DK) vs metroid1117 (Ike) 3 - Brawl Plussery 3.3, 3/29/09
halfdemon (DK) vs metroid1117 (Ike) 5 - Brawl Plussery 3.3, 3/29/09
halfdemon (DK) vs metroid1117 (Ike) 6 - Brawl Plussery 3.3, 3/29/09
halfdemon (DK) vs metroid1117 (Ike) 7 - Brawl Plussery 3.3, 3/29/09

I'm not sure if these are "allowed" to go into the critiquing thread, since that was intended for Brawl videos.

 

[Kimchi]

Yeah, try to refrain from posting the Brawl+ videos into the critiquing thread. I want to keep it on a strictly only Brawl base for now. xD.

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

lol @ Kishin's link: Thats why you fools need to buy a Mac.

And Dsmash is terrible, end of discussion. I'd rather have Ivy's Dsmash. At least it hits both sides at the same time and has less cooldown time.

I actually heard that macs get viruses easier than pc's but no one bothers with them because well they are still the under dog. I will probably get a mac around august though.

Last year was worse

What was last years? peach name is lame I'm gana change to green now.

 

[Ussi]

last year's april fools was making certain words become new words like

Ike = Dwight Eisenhower

Link = Courage

Ganon = Power

Smash = Halo

Nair = HAIR REMOVER

etc..

 

[Arturito_Burrito]

wtf? so if you typed in nair it would say hair remover? Like the site it self did that? that sounds awesome.

 

[Ussi]

Yea Burrito, it was just like that... this year is... colorful..

 

[Kishin]

Perhaps this is just the beginning...

 

[Palpi]

Concerning the quick draw slide. If you wanna reverse it and someone doesn't hit you. They might have a mental problem. I have landed two counter-draws and I think that is much more cool and useful than the regular quick draw slide. Quick draw is terrible.

 

[comboking]

Green name are ok I guess...
It feels more like Saint Patrick's day

 

[Nidtendofreak]

I actually heard that macs get viruses easier than pc's but no one bothers with them because well they are still the under dog. I will probably get a mac around august though.

That is what the PC people like to think. ^_^ It's more like if you somehow manage to find one of the .1% of viruses that actually work on Mac most people don't know what to do because it's so freaking rare. >_> Though due to the fact Mac now has over 10% of the computer share, there has been a small rise in attempts to make viruses that work on Mac.

And this whole "new color" thing is lame.

 

[comboking]

No one wants to waste viruses on a stupid mac

Hi MODS