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[theeboredone]

Oh yea, TWEWY was definitely an awesome game. Kinda had me multi-tasking, but still fun. Story was definitely up there.

And I remembered the game now, it's called Jake Hunter, Detective Story.

Edit: San, you should also check out Blue Dragon: Awakening Shadow

 

[bladeboys]

Yo guys ! I've been lurking a bit ... But I'm back !
Are you on holiday right now ?

 

[san.]

lol touche.

But i have not heard of that. Explain.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

NeoGAF has the type of guys who zooms in on every little thing to notice their textures, ogles over sales charts, and are much more technical than the average person when concerning games.

I played FFT: A but I haven't heard many good things about a2..

The castlevanias, trauma center, kirby: canvas curse, and TWEWY were all pretty good. TWEWY is very easy if you learn to exploit the cards, except for the ultimate final boss on the hardest difficulty.

I was going to play Blue Dragon: Awakened Shadow, too, but I decided to put it on hold.

Yes I play a lot of DS games rofl.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

There is also Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume. Yet another "fun, but will make you rage" game, seeing as one of the game's mechanics is killing your teammates. If you get all three endings (only forced plume use, plume'd 1-2 others, plume'd 3+ teamamates), you unlock another area. It's not canon, and much more light hearted and funny.

 

[Heartstring]

lol, these days the only game i even play is brawl and brawl only, if i get another game, i play it for a few days and then go back to brawl, so i dont bother buying games for the sake of saving money.

scratch that, pokemon HG is practically glued to the inside of the ds, the first pokemon game i ever bought XP

 

[Iofsauron]

Ever try FF tactics a2? Its rly easy though if you know what you're doing..

I've played the first one on the GBA, it's pretty good, but I haven't played the 2nd one yet, and I quit on FF3, it's too stupid

 

[earla]

best ike players to study currently?

best source of info. for ike smashboards forums or allisbrawl?

 

[jamlosingthegame]

lol, these days the only game i even play is brawl and brawl only, if i get another game, i play it for a few days and then go back to brawl, so i dont bother buying games for the sake of saving money.

scratch that, pokemon HG is practically glued to the inside of the ds, the first pokemon game i ever bought XP

Even though I don't know your age and will probably feel stupid later, I will still say this: what else were you doing when you were like 5 or 6? To me, Pokemon was like the in thing. Kids and teenagers were playing it and there were even times where it seemed like you couldn't go a day without seeing something Pokemon related.
Still HG is pretty awesome. Brought back my memories. I play shoddy for the battling though.

 

[earla]

also, if opponent shield is low what move is my best shield breaking option.

also what is my best shield poking option?

 

[YagamiLight]

best ike players to study currently?

best source of info. for ike smashboards forums or allisbrawl?

Everyone has a different playstyle, so it's impossible to recommend that you study one person solely, lest you end up with a cheap imitation of their playstyle. Instead, try to develop your own style and get a feel for all of Ike's moves and only then look at videos of top Ike players. That said, the best Ike right now is San, to answer your question.

I don't visit AllisBrawl (for the forums, you might see me on ladder) but if you have a question we can probably answer it.

also, if opponent shield is low what move is my best shield breaking option.

also what is my best shield poking option?

Shieldbreaks are pretty rare, to be honest, but to answer the question:

- A fully charged Eruption does 67 shield damage and a shield has 70 health. It's more or less an auto break but don't count on this ever happening.

Really, though, don't actively try to break their shield if it's low because your best shield breaking moves are the laggiest (Fsmash, for example). If their shield is at mid health and you charge an Fsmash then you might consider going for it. Or you could, you know, hit them with that Fsmash.

second question: Um, most of Ike's moves can poke weaker shields. Jab3 occasionally does the trick, especially since jab 1+jab 2 take off some shield health beforehand. The "best" is the apex of Aether, but you aren't hitting with this unless they are like on BF's top platform.

 

[-RedX-]

Got last place in tourney today. lol I'm slumpin atm. =/
I met A2 over there too. Pretty cool dude.

 

[Palpi]

Who did you lose to Red?

 

[-RedX-]

Cheese, then a random MK.
MLG rules took place, MK CP'd me to Norfair when I banned RC, it was too much. >_>

 

[Nidtendofreak]

I met A2 over there too. Pretty cool dude.

That should be impossible.

 

[-RedX-]

We didn't talk much but he seems nice. lol He didn't really talk down on anything.

 

[theeboredone]

Me, Brett, and Slaps got 25th out of 62 I believe. Mr. Doom got 17th. It was fun going to my first tourny since WHOBO. I was definitely rusty and couldn't do some things I wanted to pull off. Everything just seemed so foreign and strange to me.

I really need to get back into shaping up my Ike and re-learning some of the match ups.

My controller finally gave out .-. Happened during tourny too. It was bad enough that the C-Stick didn't work sometimes, but something went wrong with the Control stick, and if I held it in neutral position and tried to jab, Ike would D-tilt =/. I had to play my first two sets being conerned about slightly tilting my control stick up so I wouldn't D-tilt when I tried to jab. Fortunately, Brett found a white GC controller last HOBO and sold it to me for 20. Now I just have to break it in.

MLG rules are a bit strange...seems to me they hurt Ike a bit more than usual.

Even though I hadn't played in ages, I got seeded kinda bad. Had to play Espy (Sonic) first round -.-.

 

[Nysyarc]

Got last place in tourney today. lol I'm slumpin atm. =/

Dang dude, step it up. No MK on NoFair johns.

Me, Brett, and Slaps got 25th out of 62 I believe. Mr. Doom got 17th.

That's a little better. Mr. Doom showin' up the Texas Ikes too. Lol Bored, it couldn't have been Utilt or something at least a little safer on-stage than Dtilt. IMO, MLG rules don't so much hurt Ike as they help MK... which in turn hurts Ike.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Had to play Espy (Sonic) first round -.-.

lol. He probably knows what works against Ike's moves partly thanks to me. Sorry about that. :D

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Does Ike suffer from a lack of options?

 

[-RedX-]

I've recently been choking in important matches. Dunno what's up but I hope I get rid of it soon.

@Texas Ikes+Mr. Doom, good stuff. ;O
@Jam, yes.

 

[Palpi]

Cheese is pretty ****ing legit, though he didnt perform well past your match I guess xD

You should beat random MK redx!!! =]

 

[Nysyarc]

Does Ike suffer from a lack of options?

His options in most cases consist of:

1. Approach
2. Approach with Nair
3. Get camped

So yah... lacking in the options department.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

I see.
I also saw a post in Tactical saying Ike has two hurtboxes in Aether, one where he is and one where the sword is.

EDIT: Question was answered there so nevermind.

EDIT2: With the lack of options thing, since Ike lacks options, is there any way to keep from being predictable with such few options?

 

[Nysyarc]

I see. I also saw a post in Tactical saying Ike has two hurtboxes in Aether, one where he is and one where the sword is. I have never seen a situation like this though, so I was confused.

Uuuh... could be the hitbox duration on Eruption that causes Ike to jump up into it and get hit? I really doubt Ike's sword has a hurtbox during that, but if anyone would know for sure it would be Kirk. It wouldn't be insta-death anyways at low percents or with an uncharged Eruption... Eruption has a more vertical trajectory until it's fully charged and even then it can be DId easily.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

It's people not knowing about Ike being entertaining. And Ike died through a stage spike in that situation.

 

[Nysyarc]

It's people not knowing about Ike being entertaining. And Ike died through a stage spike in that situation.

Ah so probably my theory was right then, it was a fluke one-time thing where Kirby timed the hitbox so Ike jumped into it mid-Aether and connected with Eruption's hitbox in a way that sent him toward the bottom of the stage, thus stage-spiking him. In that case it's still not insta-death cause you could tech it.

/prettyuselesspost

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Yep.

I lol'd at the idea of Ike having a hurtbox in the spinning sword while he's down below. If that was true, Ike dittos would be even more stupid. "I knocked him off stage!" *swings Dtilt at aether's spinning sword, watches Ike fall to his death*

 

[Nysyarc]

Yep.

I lol'd at the idea of Ike having a hurtbox in the spinning sword while he's down below. If that was true, Ike dittos would be even more stupid. "I knocked him off stage!" *swings Dtilt at aether's spinning sword, watches Ike fall to his death*

Lmfao, if you jabbed the spinning sword WTF would happen? Would Aether be interrupted and Ike fall slowly to his doom from down below or would he teleport up on stage where his sword was? It's just the dumbest concept ever. If it was the former, Ikes could just Jab gimp other Ikes out of Aether.

 

[YagamiLight]

I'm glad Aether is a solid move already, though.

Say what you will about it, but it's like a gigantic wall of swords!

That can move 2 feet horizontally....

 

[Nysyarc]

I like Aether. I'm always trying to find viable ways to use it in 1v1s other than Aether-planking. I've found a few uses but they're mostly situational and require you to make a hard read. Using Aether to shark the top platform on BF is fun when your opponent isn't expecting it; especially if they spot-dodge or roll, eats it right up.

 

[YagamiLight]

I'm of the opinion that Aether has the potential to be a very good gimping option on several characters. The only problem is that if you screw it up you're going to die :/

If someone managed to perfect the 'art' of reverse Aether gimps then it'd be quite the sight.For now, I only try it on Link, DK and Bowser. Jump off the ledge, counter their recovery and then Aether them. Bit tricky at first but it looks pretty cool once you get the hang of it.

 

[Nysyarc]

Hmm, I've never tried that on Link. I tend to stick to edge-hogs and walk-off aerials with him. There aren't really too many other characters whose recovery would be shut down by a well-timed Aetherspike, at least not that I can think of off the top of my head. Yoshi maybe if you catch him after the SA frames of his double-jump or Pit if you get him during his upB... those are both very situational though.

 

[YagamiLight]

Hmm, I've never tried that on Link. I tend to stick to edge-hogs and walk-off aerials with him. There aren't really too many other characters whose recovery would be shut down by a well-timed Aetherspike, at least not that I can think of off the top of my head. Yoshi maybe if you catch him after the SA frames of his double-jump or Pit if you get him during his upB... those are both very situational though.

Well, in theory, it can work on every single character in the game. It just grows increasingly risky as you go up the tier list (and, hence, their options increase).

It's particularly easy to do to, say, Captain Falcon or Ganondorf but if you try to do it to someone such as Marth or Meta Knight you might get a stage spike for your troubles. It's definitely possible to intercept Marth's Dolphin Slash with Aether and beat him but it is ridiculously risky. I don't consider myself proficient enough to the point where I know I won't lose my stock trying to reverse Aether gimp Marth.

The only character it won't really work on is Snake once he has started using cypher but you have like 4 other things you can do to Snake instead.

 

[theeboredone]

Reverse aethers can be dangerous if your opponent knows how to SDI. They can SDI to the edge and grab it, leading to your own death.

 

[Teh Brettster]

I'm really wondering if it should be allowed to let people into the bracket when they show up after games have started. Sort of screws up bracket. I would have won at least two more matches in losers had this been prevented. (DPhat came late and started out in the spot that would have been Razer's bye. And after like his first three matches, he got to me in losers.)

Lost to Infinity and Dphat. Dallas = Metaknight.

 

[theeboredone]

Different hosts have different philosophies. If it was someone like Xyro, chances are Dphat would have been DQ'ed.

 

[earla]

who else has been very successful apart from san ike?

is the frame data listed here 100% correct up to date?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202837

 

[Xyro77]

Different hosts have different philosophies. If it was someone like Xyro, chances are Dphat would have been DQ'ed.

I take care of business

 

[metroid1117]

who else has been very successful apart from san ike?

is the frame data listed here 100% correct up to date?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=202837

Mr. Doom is in the Kansas Power Rankings, if I recall correctly. As for any other Ikes, I don't know much.

The frame data and hitboxes posted by Kirk is correct and up-to-date. He's too awesome.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

For yoshi you don't use aetherspike. You use Dtilt. Last Yoshi I played, I took all three spikes with Dtilt. His nose is just so huge you can hit it easily.