Anime Mafia!: Moved To dGames from LoD (Guess who won!)

[Tom]

Making one more post, I think, maybe.

I DONT LIKE THIS.

I ****IN TOLD YOU TO CONDENSE IF POSSIBLE.

Why do you need to have 1 more post, maybe? Because you're only tied for the most right now?

FOS: Xiivi

 

[Xiivi]

first off: 48 hours is dumb, 72 please | I was freaking busy the past few days and everytime I sat down to write up stuff something just had to happen and prevent me from doing it. I'd really rather not have to make random BS "I'm here don't prod me" posts.

next: want to see more of (in order):
Chaco
Chibo
Kataefi
Vyse

last:
If I get a prod for being 10 minutes late after writing all of that I'm asking for a replacement.

PS: read my "first off" point steel/marshy

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I think I'm gonna have to drop, guys :/
Too much is going on right now irl for me to try to keep my mind on the game. Hopefully you'll be able to find a replacement easily enough, I don't know if there was anyone else in line besides Kevin. Sorry again, it's just a bad time and I know I won't be able to keep myself active much at all (even though I'm rarely that active anyways >.>)

 

[Tom]

I think I'm gonna have to drop, guys :/
Too much is going on right now irl for me to try to keep my mind on the game. Hopefully you'll be able to find a replacement easily enough, I don't know if there was anyone else in line besides Kevin. Sorry again, it's just a bad time and I know I won't be able to keep myself active much at all (even though I'm rarely that active anyways >.>)

It's okay, Hilt. We understand.






KEVIN!!!! :D

 

[CT Chia]

Before I'm able to read and comment on everything else, about my post 223...

Obviously I must have had a reason for it.

The fact that it's such a dead obvious joke should really say something. Obviously we are not getting role changes, and yes it would be more than easy to ask Steel. The PMs he sent out to everyone were sent about an hour before my reply on the boards, so yes I knew what was going on. So in that case, why would anyone want to say something about it.

What people should have done is ignore it straight up. Does it offer anything to the game? No. Does it somewhat tell my role at all? No. Did multiple people ignore it? Yes, as they just should have imo.

However the reason for posting was to specifically see who would reply to such a garbage post and sort of use it as a reason to pin suspicion on me. I wanted to give an easy way for mafia to somewhat find an excuse to pin suspicion on me (since mafia would know that I'm not one of them), and the fact that Xiivi seems ready to jump down that path.

And if anyone thinks it was an honest slip up by me, you have greatly underestimated me. Also, if I just flat out revealed that I was mafia after that being said, don't you think Steel would have commented on it somehow?

 

[Vyse]

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Vyse:
131 is a really nice. He goes through and pulls out new information when many others weren't willing to. 134/169/215 don't worry me much, even though you were the one to drop the double voter idea and opened up that whole mess. However, I still have a good feeling about you. This also scares me because of how well you played Grammys, where you played a very pro-town game as non-town. I'd really like to see more out of you because of this.
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Even though you think I played a good game in Grammys, there are a lot of things I still don't understand. Especially knowing when and when not to look into the possibility of posting restrictions/abilities. Something you were quick to address before.

This is topical funnily enough, because of what Tom posted.

I would've felt a lot more comfortable if you had posted your giant reply in one post, rather than make a whole bunch. It's clear that something is up (or until you calm down with the multi-posting), but I don't really think it's worth pushing too much since posting a zillion miles an hour doesn't really seem to fit a mafia role to me. Easy to spot PR's I woulda thought would be more town oriented.

I want to try and look at other players first before hounding you (I'd still like to see SuSa respond to the request CK made to go through his perception of each player in the game though). Taking into consideration CK's advice about narrowing the scope of our focus on day 1. (I'll dig for bones later, but not tonight. Assessment is due in about 4 hours, I gotta focus on that when my assignment partner sends our work back to me).

 

[Kataefi]

Xiivi just to clarify what you said about me... the only reason I've been repeating what I've said about my annoyance is because air's been suspicious of me and brought it up too, which I wanted to justify. Air seems to be playing dirty by brushing off everything I say and just downright insisting his suspicions on me:

I'm waiting for more people to respond to my suspicions of Kataefi.

^ exhibit a

Also Xiivi I said I would vote susa when pressed because he's really the only person I'm the most suspicious of right now - I don't think I've heard the best of everyone yet, and I'm also not suspicious of susa enough to vote him. Now, get this! - if the game were to cut off right now and I had to make a vote when pressed for it... I would swing a vote susa's way for the 100 billion times I've explained why. This is what I've been saying the passed few posts I've made and honestly I can't see what's sooooo suspicious of that!

Alright enough of me now... it looks like I'm too defensive. Just reading stuff over I wanted to comment on:

However the reason for posting was to specifically see who would reply to such a garbage post and sort of use it as a reason to pin suspicion on me. I wanted to give an easy way for mafia to somewhat find an excuse to pin suspicion on me (since mafia would know that I'm not one of them), and the fact that Xiivi seems ready to jump down that path.

Chibo I think this is risky... it may not have been a good post by anyone's standards but by how you describe it you were essentially trying to set yourself up as bait for mafia. I can't see how this would be good when really we don't know much about everyone yet, so if anyone did respond then it would still be cloudy as to whether they took the bait because they were mafia or because... they just did. I think this would have been better on a later day and had you not have revealed your real intentions behind the post, because now everyone will think twice before replying to these types of messages.

 

[Steel]

first off: 48 hours is dumb, 72 please | I was freaking busy the past few days and everytime I sat down to write up stuff something just had to happen and prevent me from doing it. I'd really rather not have to make random BS "I'm here don't prod me" posts.

next: want to see more of (in order):
Chaco
Chibo
Kataefi
Vyse

last:
If I get a prod for being 10 minutes late after writing all of that I'm asking for a replacement.

PS: read my "first off" point steel/marshy

The people I asked had no problem with 48 hours and thought it was a good idea. I'm very light about the prods - of course I'm not going to prod you. I understand there are outside factors.

Chaco is going V/LA for a few days.

How much longer is kevin's ban? He was technically first in line for Hilt's spot. If it will be awhile we have Virgilijus.

 

[Steel]

KevinM replaces -Hilt- once Kevin returns

 

[Airgemini]

Air:
185: Liked the first part of the post. Last line not so much, you're acting as if when you throw your vote down it's permanent and seem randomly worried about being wrong. Do you expect all of your votes to be perfectly placed?

I'm like this in all mafia games for some reason. I'm never too sure about placing votes.

231: Didn't like how you make the assumption that posting restriction = independent. Especially when you played Grammys where you had a posting restriction as mafia and there was a townie with a posting restriction.

I kind of ovethinked that.

 

[Bowser King]

I would've felt a lot more comfortable if you had posted your giant reply in one post, rather than make a whole bunch. It's clear that something is up (or until you calm down with the multi-posting), but I don't really think it's worth pushing too much since posting a zillion miles an hour doesn't really seem to fit a mafia role to me. Easy to spot PR's I woulda thought would be more town oriented.

Well, a PR like having to double post or mtli-post could go both ways actually. However, I agree that it does seem like it would be more town then mafia.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

6th Vote Count

SuSa (2) - Xiivi
Xiivi (1) - Crimson King

Not voting (10): SuSa, Chaco, Vyse, airgemini, bowser king, Kataefi, ChiboSempai, -Hilt-, Marc, Tom

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! There is currently no deadline

 

[CT Chia]

Im at a tourney this weekend. In case I don't post, but I'll try to... that's whats up.

 

[Crimson King]

Tom, I am curious as to your suggestions of Xiivi as possibly having a post-count restriction. From the one game I can remember with this, it was for a serial killing indie. Is there any type of common situation with someone that has to post the most? If so, and you honestly believe it's bad, I believe we should test this by having Xiivi's post always be two under a few people. Again, I think this is only if we can find a precedence for indies having this restriction. If Xiivi is an indie, then his entire thing with SuSa could have been just his way of finding the strongest players to ally with later.

 

[Steel]

Activity Notice:

Today, 05:46 AM

Today, 02:04 AM

Yesterday, 03:58 PM

Yesterday, 01:45 PM

Yesterday, 08:18 AM

Yesterday, 05:55 AM

Yesterday, 04:48 AM

Awaiting Unban

Yesterday, 04:15 AM

10-22-2009, 07:05 PM {PROD IN 9 HOURS

10-22-2009, 06:24 PM {V/LA}

10-20-2009, 05:08 PM {PROD SENT}

 

[Marc]

I didn't receive the prod yet. =p

I'm completely up to date with the thread actually, but I need to find the time to organize my thoughts. I'm in three Mafia games right now (one of which is the StarFox game Tom is also in that seems to be nearing its conclusion, hopefully), on top of my daily life. I'll be at a Brawl tournament tomorrow and at uni on Monday, so bear with me.

 

[Marc]

Received it. ;[

 

[Airgemini]

Very late, but I decided who to place a vote on.
Vote: Kataefi

I'm most suspicious of him and I've already provided why.
Incase you missed it:

Also this is like Kataefi's second mafia game and his posts kind of seem a little too clean. In Grammy Mafia he was aided by Kevin on what to post the majority of the time and his posts seem similar to the ones he made in that mafia game.

Once again by clean I mean too well contructed.

SuSa I'm actually a bit annoyed at you because you've drawn unnecessary attention on me and you've acted like we're somehow affiliated, and we're not.

This struck me as scummy because it's like he didn't want to be noticed/questioned or something.

 

[Kataefi]

AIR! Why are pushing this on me?... you're quoting things a loooong time ago and not responding to any of my justifications after these posts... despite me giving tons. Have you not read any of my later posts?

 

[Crimson King]

Air, you mentioned these "clean constructed arguments" but can you link to the exact post, why they are suspicious, etc.? I understand that Kataefi is playing quite different in his second time, but metagaming is never a good idea, especially for brand new players. Assess his play in this game and give us examples of this.

 

[Airgemini]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8691259&postcount=247
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8647470&postcount=126

I'm sorry but I can't shake the feeling that someone is helping him post when he posts things this long (probably a very dumb argument, but still). His posts seem strangely familiar to the ones in Grammy mafia (to me anyways) when he was trying to fake everyone to thinking he was townie, and he doesn't sit well with me so far.

My vote is going to remain on Kataefi until I find someone more suspicious than him.

 

[Xiivi]

People should like talk more so this 48 hour prod thing is actually justified. :/

 

[Vyse]

air, do you really think it's worth lynching Kat than what it is lynching other less active players?

Also what about SuSa/Xiivi?
You're willing to look past the events surrounding these two players and go for Kat?

I can see that you've put some thought in and have justified the vote, but basically I'm asking you to weigh up the options by comparing Kat to Xiivi/SuSa/Everyone else.

Right now I feel that Xiivi, SuSa and Kat are under the spotlight, and Kat is the only one actively defending himself. (SuSa still needs to address CK's post from before. Xiivi seems to prefer not to address it and let it lie).

: /

 

[SuSa]

I could've sworn I posted here.

I left Friday after school to the OC Smash Crews' place to smash, smashed til 6am, then went and camped outside the Midwest House (local TO's house) until 8:30am, then was at the tourney ALL day until now.. 2am Sunday...

I'm tired and exhausted, but here.....

 

[Kataefi]

That's what I'm trying to do lol... people are throwing accusations at me, I'm not just going to stand there and say nothing - yet if I do defend myself my posts are suddenly too 'clean', or I'm suddenly super suspicious for repeating points I thought needed a bit of explanation. In air's case I'm in a total lose lose situation because he'll just brush it off anyways and vote for me... as he seems to have done.

@Air - I don't like how you're playing dirty and bringing up grammy's mafia btw. I'm playing a lot more actively and less robotically now... I haven't got a kevin to follow by the book ha!... and you were involved just as much as me last game with your posts so I could very easily use your excuse in voting me as my excuse to vote for you. But I won't do that... because I don't want to waste my vote on someone who hasn't been very telling in this current game.

I hope you're 100% confident in that vote especially in the face of Xiivi and Susa, who have been attracted a lot more attention in general.

 

[Airgemini]

air, do you really think it's worth lynching Kat than what it is lynching other less active players?

Lynching inactive players is kind of like trying to shoot a practice target with your eyes closed. In Grammy mafia (once again) I put a vote on Skyler for being inactive and he ended up getting lynched and showed up town. So I'm kind of avoiding voting for inactives because you can never be too sure what they are because you don't have any kind of read on them.

Also what about SuSa/Xiivi?
You're willing to look past the events surrounding these two players and go for Kat?

Actually, in this post I made http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8668780&postcount=203 I said I had suspicions of all three of them working together near the earlier stages of the game. Just because I have a vote on Kataefi doesn't mean I'm ignoring these two, I just simply find Kataefi more suspicious in my eyes. Is that bad?

In air's case I'm in a total lose lose situation because he'll just brush it off anyways and vote for me... as he seems to have done.

I'm not brushing what you say off I just really get bad vibes from you.

@Air - I don't like how you're playing dirty and bringing up grammy's mafia btw.

How is that playing dirty? I'm using experience from another mafia game to help me in this.

and you were involved just as much as me last game with your posts so I could very easily use your excuse in voting me as my excuse to vote for you.

My posts weren't anywhere near like yours so I don't really see what you're getting at.

I hope you're 100% confident in that vote especially in the face of Xiivi and Susa, who have been attracted a lot more attention in general.

I'm 100% confident in my vote at the present moment.
It can change in the future though, like I've said before.

 

[Kataefi]

I don't care if your posts weren't anywhere near like mine last game! - the process in which they were made was identical... so I can turnaround and say you're posting exactly how you were in grammys mafia minus the posting restriction - and therefore (by your standards) I should vote you because of this.

See what I'm getting at?

I honestly think you've jumped the gun VERY quickly on me especially when 90% of the game has been focused on Susa and somewhat Xiivi for their overreactions.

I'm sure I'm not alone in finding it very unusual how quick you are to vote for me (of all people) without exploring anything about me first.

 

[CT Chia]

I hardly even understand the case against Kata

 

[Crimson King]

@air, Lynching inactives is not a bad thing. By not contributing to the discussions, they are helping the mafia. Also, the mafia, particularly newer mafia, are safer with more inactive players.

 

[Steel]

Virgilijus replaces Chaco

I know you guys hate to post on weekends so I won't prod anyone who needs it, but let's try to get some stuff going this week :3

 

[Chaco]

Sorry guys. ;-;

 

[KevinM]

Gonna read now guys but first and foremost is Xiivi a double voter or was that a miscount on my way down to the post box?

 

[Crimson King]

Virg is in! **** YES!! Thanks for playing Chaco, but at least we got a good replacement.

I think that forcing activity on people, as town, is something we should start doing. Mafia benefits from a silent town.

Can we get an activity update - with names? I have no idea who half the people are by avatars.

 

[Steel]

Activity Notice:

Crimson King - Today, 11:06 PM

KevinM - Today, 10:59 PM

ChiboSempai - Today, 04:19 PM

Kataefi - Today, 03:55 PM

airgemini - Today, 03:10 PM

SuSa - Today, 05:17 AM

Vyse - Today, 05:03 AM

Xiivi - Today, 04:47 AM

Marc - Yesterday, 10:20 AM

Bowser King - 10-23-2009, 03:58 PM - Will be prodded if no activity tomorrow

Tom - 10-23-2009, 04:48 AM - Will be prodded if no activity tomorrow

Virgilijus - Reading~

 

[Crimson King]

Gonna read now guys but first and foremost is Xiivi a double voter or was that a miscount on my way down to the post box?

*shakes head*

Really, Kevin? REALLY?

Just for the sake of ending discussion on this: We do not know who the double voter is (and we are assuming there is), and we do not want to know who it is or even guess. Guessing will show the mafia who is NOT the double voter, which is going to be a useful role for us, and it'll help them narrow down their choices. In a game of 12, I can assume around 2 - 3 mafia, so they are at an advantage when narrowing things down.

 

[Crimson King]

Unvote. Vote: Bowser King

Where you at, playa?

 

[KevinM]

*shakes head*

Really, Kevin? REALLY?

Just for the sake of ending discussion on this: We do not know who the double voter is (and we are assuming there is), and we do not want to know who it is or even guess. Guessing will show the mafia who is NOT the double voter, which is going to be a useful role for us, and it'll help them narrow down their choices. In a game of 12, I can assume around 2 - 3 mafia, so they are at an advantage when narrowing things down.

Did I say I was going to guess, I figured if it was something commonly known by town they could give it to me now so I could reread with all the information available that we had at the end.

I'm not discussing it further then asking if it was common knowledge in that post, I didn't speculate on it, I just asked if it was a miscount. Considering I just joined the game, it was a harmless question to see JUST how much town knew about it before I started reading.

REALLY CK... REALLY?!

You don't have to explain to me why we don't role fish, and speculating the number of mafia is stupid, its actually what may have wrecked it for people in grammy's by assuming there were only two mafia when there were in fact three.

Anyways from my reread I just have a blatant suspicion

At a quick glance, I'll take more time to read soon (PROMISE!!!!):

I'm really liking CK's play thus far, getting good vibes from him as well as Chibo.

Xiivi not so much. The first few hours of the game, it was as if he was demanding the spotlight.

Why are you getting good vibes from Chibo, it looks like you didn't just want to mention only one person.

Afraid to buddy?

Before I'm able to read and comment on everything else, about my post 223...

Obviously I must have had a reason for it.

The fact that it's such a dead obvious joke should really say something. Obviously we are not getting role changes, and yes it would be more than easy to ask Steel. The PMs he sent out to everyone were sent about an hour before my reply on the boards, so yes I knew what was going on. So in that case, why would anyone want to say something about it.

What people should have done is ignore it straight up. Does it offer anything to the game? No. Does it somewhat tell my role at all? No. Did multiple people ignore it? Yes, as they just should have imo.

However the reason for posting was to specifically see who would reply to such a garbage post and sort of use it as a reason to pin suspicion on me. I wanted to give an easy way for mafia to somewhat find an excuse to pin suspicion on me (since mafia would know that I'm not one of them), and the fact that Xiivi seems ready to jump down that path.

And if anyone thinks it was an honest slip up by me, you have greatly underestimated me. Also, if I just flat out revealed that I was mafia after that being said, don't you think Steel would have commented on it somehow?

Anyways here is my suspect for the day.

The only thing Chibo has done in my eyes, is role fish, make useless wifom posts and come back INCREDIBLY hard on being called out on a stupid post.

Vote Chibo

 

[CT Chia]

Come back incredibly hard? Sorry I like to type lol, I get caught up in it at times. Every action has a reason. Suspicion started to rise from what I said, so I explained why I said it, simple as that.

How exactly have I been role fishing?

 

[KevinM]

Come back incredibly hard? Sorry I like to type lol, I get caught up in it at times. Every action has a reason. Suspicion started to rise from what I said, so I explained why I said it, simple as that.

How exactly have I been role fishing?

Liking to type doesn't have anything to do with typing multiple paragraphs about being called out on a stupid post. Anyways.

This is Susa's first game though right? Of course that crossed my mind, it's just that I really don't expect a new player to try and pull off a lie like that. It doesn't flat out clear Susa in my book so to say, it just does at the moment at least and I'm ready to look at other people.

What are the possibilities for the mystery vote on Susa? The only things I've seen people say so far are like invisible vote and double voter. What's an invisible vote, a power where someone can vote and not have their name revealed? That kind of power would seem like it would be ousted somewhat soon. The only data I've seen on a doublevoter (that being on the wiki) is that they either have their vote count twice or they can secret vote and regular vote. It has to be the second option since from the 1st to 2nd vote count the votes on Susa didn't change and the vote count increased.
However during the period CK voted Xiivi. Is there a chance that the double voter can only work that they get a second vote if they are already voting, hence the term double voter?

Mod: Can you shed light on the double voter conundrum thing?
-_- Though I doubt we can get an answer since it's not a confirmed role and it's a closed setup


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Susa, you still seemed flustered about unvoting yourself and only did it because everyone yelled at you for doing so. Can you please flat out state why you honestly want to vote yourself? It is 100% bad for you to do so. If your town, you want townies to live. If your scum, your supposed to stay alive. wtf

I just finished a differ mafia game in which someone hammered himself, it was the worst

Trying to figure out how it works after you should have realized talking about how the role was bad. That's one instance.

Part 1 -

Good question... Hmmm. It's a little too early to tell, however it's something good to keep in mind when combining with any future reads on him. Let's take it one step at a time and apply what we know in each confrontation to the situation.
Xiivi is either Town, Mafia, or Independant... obvious
If Xiivi was mafia - would he really want this kind of attention so early on in the game? It did garner a vote from CK afterall.
If Xiivi was independant - pretty much the goal of every single independant (minus Jester) is to stay alive right? I can't think of any that aren't like that. In this case, attracting attention to himself would be bad as an independant.
If Xiivi was town - The attraction would be bad if he was a town power role, as they should be preserved. This follows Xiivi's style as he doesn't want to look into the doublevoter scenario anymore so the mafia doesn't pick up on who it is etc. Vanilla townie on the other hand, where it's obviously not good to get that much attention imo, this is the only possible role where he wouldn't receive any direct backlash.

So the most logical outcome is vanilla townie, but it's still too early to tell. Using what we've seen so far from him will go well when we someday discover what role Susa is, and any various tells or reads we get on Xiivi throughout the game.

Part 2 -

I don't see why we can't discuss how the role actually works, as it would be beneficial to the town to find out more about it, since doublevoters are always town aligned right? It's a power we could eventually use to our advantage. The mafia can discuss by themselves all they want for how they think the role works, but the town can only discuss here.

The first part is absolutely terrible. You gave some wishy washy idea on how you think certain roles would play as if thats the only way they play. For the newer players thats a terrible idea because if a scum was talking a lot at this point and they listened to your post then the newer players would assume there is no way they could be scum. Why else would they post a lot.

As for the second part, it's just you trying to justify talking about a role that benefits town and is hidden so far. Why would you want to reveal how it works, would you want mafia to have a better chance at killing the person responsible. Because that's all you're doing with your speculation. Because what do we benefit as town by knowing how it works? If the vote is town aligned like it most likely would be, they can follow proper town judgment and we shouldn't have to worry about it beyond that.

Obviously scum doesn't want attention on them, but neither does Town. You don't want to get mislynched just because of the ridiculous ramblings of Susa on the first 20 pages of the thread. Not a scum tell at all imo.

I've never played regular forum mafia with Xiivi before afaik, is he normally like this? I really couldn't imagine him playing like that tbh.

Scum doesn't want to get lynched, but neither does town?

Good post.

Also you're basically saying that you should take all of the first 4 pages of arguments with a grain of salt.

Why? A lot of discussion was generated from that.

I honestly at this point have NO idea how Xiivi and Chaco said they have town reads off of you.

update PMs? u mean im not mafia anymore?

Thanks for giving us a gigantic piece of WIFOM for later, when you can say.

IF I WAS MAFIA WOULD I SAY THIS HURR DA DURR.

I say we lynch you now and we never have to deal with that WIFOM, especially if you think the best play for town is fishing for roles and how they work while making blanket statements on how alignments should play.

Case and point I'm voting for you.

 

[KevinM]

EBWOP the more I read your list of, if Xiivi was mafia, if Xiivi was independent, if Xiivi was townie, the more I see you as scum, that post just reeks of scum.