Anime Mafia!: Moved To dGames from LoD (Guess who won!)

[Marc]

Except I don't think all those arguments are always bad. It's cute how people throw terms like WIFOM around, but if it's true, it's true.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

5th Vote Count

SuSa (2) - Xiivi
Xiivi (1) - Crimson King

Not voting (10): SuSa, Chaco, Vyse, airgemini, bowser king, Kataefi, ChiboSempai, -Hilt-, Marc, Tom

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! There is currently no deadline

 

[Airgemini]

Right now my three suspicions are Kataefi, Xiivi, and SuSa.
Might be unlikely, but I kind of have the feeling the three of them were working together near the beginning of the game. The three of them conversed a lot when SuSa was making all of those posts. Yeah, it could just be good activity, but I could kind of see it as a plan.

Also this is like Kataefi's second mafia game and his posts kind of seem a little too clean. In Grammy Mafia he was aided by Kevin on what to post the majority of the time and his posts seem similar to the ones he made in that mafia game.

Might just be me overthinking things though.

 

[Airgemini]

SuSa I'm actually a bit annoyed at you because you've drawn unnecessary attention on me and you've acted like we're somehow affiliated, and we're not.

This struck me as scummy because it's like he didn't want to be noticed/questioned or something.

 

[Crimson King]

My problem with SuSa is he still plays the newbie card (or rather we are playing it for him), especially after his vote on himself, but it's becoming clear SuSa knows what he is doing on at least some level, be it from reading the wiki a lot or from actually being coached. The coaching seems a bit of a stretch since that would imply that the mafia is talking when they should not be.

With SuSa, I'd like to see him take the sign-up chart and give a one sentence stance on each person. Using this, we should be able to see if SuSa will be helpful to town or just serve to confuse us.

Evidently, today is a friend's birthday (I don't really like her, but she is going to take the dog that we don't want, so I have to be nice), so I won't be able to do the Xivii post until later. I plan to still do it because I feel his argument will be extremely revealing.

 

[Chaco]

I'll be catching up shortly. Bust past two days.

 

[Airgemini]

Also this is like Kataefi's second mafia game and his posts kind of seem a little too clean.

By clean I mean well constructed.
I didn't want to possibly confuse anyone.

 

[Marc]

My problem with SuSa is he still plays the newbie card (or rather we are playing it for him), especially after his vote on himself, but it's becoming clear SuSa knows what he is doing on at least some level, be it from reading the wiki a lot or from actually being coached. The coaching seems a bit of a stretch since that would imply that the mafia is talking when they should not be.

Where does it say Mafia can't talk during the Day?

 

[Crimson King]

Where does it say Mafia can't talk during the Day?

Huh... I was always under the assumption that any outside communication was considered cheating, and Mafia was only allowed to talk to each other during night.

If that isn't the case, then I really need to re-evaluate my stance on SuSa.

 

[Chaco]

Day Talk varies from mod to mod. Some allow it and some do not.

 

[Kataefi]

But Air I WAS genuinely annoyed at Susa... he just kept going on and on about me and him and I didn't like it. Read the whole thing through lol... I was defending him from Xiivi and then BAM he changes and drags me in. There's not really much else I can say to be honest

I'm super suspicious of both of them because of it.... Xiivi for being ultra hasty, and really pressuring on a newbie player literally right at the start of the game, and Susa for soaking it all up and loving the attention... a little riddler who I think won't be very good for town.

Stupidly voting a fellow mafia member right at the start of the game would just be a waste of time and space for them imo... I wouldn't be silly enough to do it. And I've said before... I've turned sour towards Susa for his confusing behaviour - I'm waiting for the game to play out a bit before I cast my vote... but if I'm pressed on voting right now it would go to him, hence the FoS - I'm hesitant because I don't know if he's being deadly serious or just confused about stuff.

 

[Airgemini]

But Air I WAS genuinely annoyed at Susa...

That may be the case, but I just kind of found it as a scummy post a little with your "you've drawn unnecessary attention on me" sentence.

 

[Bowser King]

Right now my three suspicions are Kataefi, Xiivi, and SuSa.
Might be unlikely, but I kind of have the feeling the three of them were working together near the beginning of the game. The three of them conversed a lot when SuSa was making all of those posts. Yeah, it could just be good activity, but I could kind of see it as a plan.

Also this is like Kataefi's second mafia game and his posts kind of seem a little too clean. In Grammy Mafia he was aided by Kevin on what to post the majority of the time and his posts seem similar to the ones he made in that mafia game.

Might just be me overthinking things though.

That could be from learning from kevin while he was mafia. He could have gotten an idea of things that are considered good to post or not. Not sure if that means anything about his chances of being mafia.

 

[Kataefi]

Air look at it literally... it did... you wouldn't be thinking stuff about me otherwise.

That's why I said it! I didn't know everything had some underlying mafia meaning to it. I don't think there's much more to your case anyways.

Slipping this in there, let's not forget you were involved just as much as me last game, right? =p

 

[Vyse]

I'll be super busy these next two days finishing my final assignment for the year for Uni, though, I don't think I'll be V/LA.

I don't like SuSa's reluctance to start questioning people/playing proactively, so I second what CK said. Susa, you need to give an opinion on everyone.

That's all I've got for the moment (mostly just posting here quickly while I'm taking a break). I'll try and post something more meaningful tomorrow.

 

[CT Chia]

Obviously scum doesn't want attention on them, but neither does Town. You don't want to get mislynched just because of the ridiculous ramblings of Susa on the first 20 pages of the thread. Not a scum tell at all imo.

I've never played regular forum mafia with Xiivi before afaik, is he normally like this? I really couldn't imagine him playing like that tbh.

 

[Steel]

Activity Notice:

Today, 08:56 AM

Today, 08:08 AM

Yesterday, 07:28 PM

Yesterday, 07:12 PM

Yesterday, 07:06 PM

Yesterday, 06:29 PM

Yesterday, 06:05 PM

Yesterday, 05:08 PM

Yesterday, 10:22 AM

Yesterday, 03:06 AM

Yesterday, 02:03 AM

Yesterday, 12:31 AM

 

[CT Chia]

People should rly be more active

 

[Crimson King]

It's a sliding scale. The more active people have said their pieces and want others to reply, who in turn aren't replying. We need to start prodding people. The game has been fairly active, which is great, but I'd like to keep a high level of activity to avoid coasters.

 

[Steel]

Would anyone object to moving the 72 hour prod to a 48 hour prod?

 

[CT Chia]

i would not object one bit

hell, u might as well make it 12 hours

 

[Steel]

12 would be too harsh. Some people just can't be at their computers for a day sometimes. And after discussing it with someone else I think I'll change it - update pms probably being sent soon.

 

[CT Chia]

update PMs? u mean im not mafia anymore?

 

[Airgemini]

I'm waiting for more people to respond to my suspicions of Kataefi.

 

[CT Chia]

By 3am tonight it will have been 72 hours since three different people have posted here...

 

[Chaco]

At a quick glance, I'll take more time to read soon (PROMISE!!!!):

I'm really liking CK's play thus far, getting good vibes from him as well as Chibo.

Xiivi not so much. The first few hours of the game, it was as if he was demanding the spotlight.

 

[Chaco]

Oh and Potential V/LA until Sunday

 

[SuSa]

update PMs? u mean im not mafia anymore?

If you were town, that is probably the stupidest thing you could have said, even as a joke.

Just say'n.

 

[Xiivi]

Been writing this for a while, noticed I'm a few minutes past prod time already. So even though I'm not done I'll post what I have. Don't prod-kill me Steel!
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I'd like to start with Tom's first few posts. I'm not feeling too strong about them and they seem like ghost tells (mostly since I believe he was on his iPhone and a bit limited in that situation), but I'd still like to throw them out onto the table.

@#119: He mentions my number of posts being suspicious, and the rest of the post is simply game theory. I really don't like how it threw that bit out there, and really didn't go much anywhere about why it was something that concerned him. Really this just seemed like he was opening the door for someone else to walk through and take it somewhere.

@#143: He mentions finding multi-posting suspicious, and even mentions the number of posts. But doesn't really go anywhere with that, once again just opening the door. I understand his concerns about high activity, but I'd like to know why he brought up the multi-posting in general. Why is that a concern against just one long post containing lots of posts? Have you never seen that employed before? Is just suspicious, or just unexpected/different Tom?

Everything else Tom has posted I've been fine with, and I don't find these too suspicious or anything, just something to consider.

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I'd now like to move onto Chaco. Chaco's play so far concerns me some, and will concern me more if he posts nothing of importance by the end of toDay. I'm willing to give him leeway for being busy, but I just feel like he's active lurking/skimming at this point.

He tosses a HoS at SuSa in post 74/75 (double post), saying he doesn't buy the newbie card and explaining his HoS due to SuSa fishing. He advises to SuSa that a No Lynch is a bad idea. Later in post 85/89 his only comment is that self voting is a bad idea as well and will probably result in a policy lynch.

In post 95 I ask him why he felt a FoS was too little and a vote was too much. He never responded to this, which gives me the impression he hasn't been really been reading things yet. (Did I mention his vote is still on air at this point?)

By the time of the first count at post 91, he takes the time to say Hi to Marshy (showing he's paying attention to the vote counts), but doesn't bother unvoting at this point, despite it being fairly clear we're out of the RVS.

He pops up again in post 136 to tell SuSa to calm down and wait for others to post.

Once the second post count appears at 155, he pops up in 157/158/160 to finally unvote, and question the vote count. (Seems to be one of the only things he's paid attention to besides an attempt to interact with SuSa and only SuSa thus far. No comments on the Kataefi situation earlier, no comments on the Chibo/bk skirmish that was the posts around the 2nd vote.)

Post 190 he comes out again to tell SuSa that "Tom told you to cool down!"

Post 210 he comes to mention Day Talk varies from mod to mod. Once again, he's made a statement that was just a 'fact' and not any opinion. "No lynches are bad at this time." "Voting yourself will result in a policy lynch." Etc... Essentially appearances of contribution with nothing at all really.

Finally in post 226 we get something out of him. It's just he likes CK's play and Chibo's play and doesn't like how I 'demanded the spotlight'. At least he made an attempt to give an opinion this post. However it seems as if it's just to toss some doubt my way before he goes V/LA. Surprisingly he didn't have anything to say about me before, even when I questioned him! But now that other people have expressed their concerns, he feels it's time for him to chime in as well.

Once again, I'd really like to see some contributions from Chaco before the end of toDay.
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I'll move onto -Hilt- now.

-Hilt- first graces us with his presence in post 137, where he mentions that 'his suspicions of SuSa are obvious'. He then goes on to explain that his suspicions actually aren't 'as much as' my suspicions. Other than that he has 'little to respond to' and basically makes sure he's uncommited to everything thus far.

Next -Hilt- comes in at post 174, to bring up a good question. How likely is it for a mafia to have decided to bus another mafia 9 posts into the game? He says it isn't extremely likely but a good thing to keep in mind. I like that he's considering all the possibilities.

Finally, -Hilt-'s last post is 198. Here he attempts to get SuSa to shut up with the role claim talk, linking him to Grammys for an example. He also mentions the double voter talk needs to stop...after myself and CK have explained it needed to stop and it had pretty much already stopped.

Finally, the one thing he finds worth quoting out of everything that's happened since his last post...is the theory of SuSa and I both being scum. He seems a bit focused on this for some reason. All that really needs to be brought up about this possibility is to not clear either of us based on the other's flip. So I'd like to know why he wants to make sure it's kept out there now instead of waiting until it actually matters.

He continues to go on to comment about SuSa's sudden increase in knowledge, suspecting he could have been coached, but then saying SuSa's "mafia don't know each other" post is keeping him from suspecting SuSa, but he's actually shaky on that too! So really, he's suspicious of SuSa, but not really...because this one post is making him doubt it, but it isn't really making him doubt it. -Hilt-, do you think that if mafia were indeed coaching him that they'd have had him purposefully make that post? Think deeper and connect what you are saying.

Overall, I'm getting fairly neutral feelings from Hilt, mostly due to how limited his posts have been thus far.
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[Tom]

posting to avoid prod. glad to see zv posted his analysis b/c ive been waiting for it.

Star Fox Mafia has really exploded and I'm currently posting like mad in it out of almost necessity. however, it is in day 4. and ronike's game i was in already ended. and ff7 is in d4. so all of my other games are winding down/ending/ended and im not getting in new ones. so I'll be back to this game soon <3

 

[Airgemini]

Is it me or does it seem like Xiivi has a post restriction? He seems to use post numbers all the time for responses rather than just quoting.

Don't indies have post restrictions most of the time?

It's probably nothing, but I just found it interesting is all.

 

[Airgemini]

Nevermind, he did quote earlier in the game.
My bad.

 

[Xiivi]

Another little batch of people:
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I feel like doing someone easy right now, and that's CK. CK's done nothing but make good posts that show he's looking into motives, responses, possibilities, etc... Pretty much, he's scumhunting. I like his play.

However, saying that I'm 100% fine with CK would be a lie. There's two posts in particular that makes me uneasy. That would be posts 205/209. What strikes me odd about this is that CK assumes the mafia cannot talk during the day. This is a really odd assumption to make, especially considering the past 2 LoD mafia games were Disney and Grammys, both of which allowed mafia to communicate at all times. CK participated in both (in fact he had 2 roles in each), and I would only assume he would have been interested enough to read the Role PMs of games he was excited enough to play 2 roles in. So really, I'm wondering where exactly this assumption came from. What I'm really wondering is if it was an assumption at all.

Other than that, I'm really liking CK's willingness to scumhunt and I would like to keep him around longer.
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Another easy opinion would be Marc. Marc hasn't been making huge write-ups or anything, but you can tell he's contributing.

One thing about Marc, is that he was in fact the one to bring up the ideas of claims in post 112. It was a soft mention, but it was enough to put the ideas of claims into everyone's minds. Regardless, that's by far the worst thing Marc's done, and it isn't that alarming in my opinion (although it did spawn a chain of posts we could have lived without, which is partly my fault).

In post 142, he weighs in the Xiivi/SuSa situation and how he'd like everyone to become more involved in the game instead of focusing on the situation. (Which he has done a good job of.)

Posts 146 and 150 show he's commited to making sure people are active, as he said he wanted to be.

His final posts are also good contributions:
At 167 he urges SuSa to unvote; 201 he encourages people to not throw away arguments just because of WIFOM; and finally in 208 he's the one to catch CK on the mafia-daytalk issue.

Overall, I don't have any complaints for Marc.
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Kataefi I've had a bit of change of heart about.

Originally, in my early posts I mentioned how his reactions to SuSa's buddying struck me as a town being buddied and annoyed by it more than anything. However, he seems a bit preoccupied with this in his later posts more than anything else.

In 126 he responds to my question about his choosing of FoSing over voting (after making sure he says he's annoying with the buddying, again). One of the things that concerned me about his answer was that he said he'd vote if we pressed him to despite feeling uncommited to such a vote. At the time, I took this as his newbie card showing, but there's a later post that worries me.

Regardless, in post 127 I tell him I don't want to control his vote and he should use it as he pleases. He acknowledges this in post 129.

Kataefi doesn't appear again until post 211, once again to mention how annoyed with SuSa's buddying he is. He wants to make sure we know he was 'genuinely annoyed' by this. However, what really irks me about this post, is that again he mentions a willingness to throw down a vote his isn't 100% commited to if we pressure him to. I really find it odd how he wants to make sure we know this.

However, there's another thing I'd like to note is how quick/bold Kataefi was with his votes in Grammys. I'm not willing to write him off because of this difference in play, mainly because in post 126 he mentions he's mimicing Teran's voting style with his FoS usage.
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[Crimson King]

Xiivi, I couldn't get a solid read on your post, but are these the people you are most suspicious of or are you doing everyone?

After going back through your argument, I am pretty much off of you as a suspect FOR NOW. I hate how in the LoD we have a tendency to rule someone completely out from the game the first Day, rather than rule them out for that Day. I can tell you are at least trying hunt scum because no matter how you look at it, SuSa was damn suspicious.

Tom's posting has been cause for concern, but I think he's just legitimately busy for Day 1. I also agree with your stances on Hilt and Chaco, more so towards Chaco posting more. In fact, Chaco, can you give a break by break of some of your most suspicious (didn't I ask SuSa or someone else to do this too?).

 

[Tom]

I asked permission from the Star Fox Mafia game moderator to post these posts here in Anime mafia, to show you that my inactivity in this game has simply been because of the fact that I've been posting in that game. For example, the following posts were all from the last two days:

I did exactly what I said I would do.

I also know that someone (not Circus) didn't do what this list told them to do and they should maybe probably possibly certainly 'splain themselves.

chill, who did you love on and did it succeed?
marc, who did you vote block and did it succeed?
voteblocked, can you confirm it?
CAO, what did you dream?
Virgy, who did you invest and did it succeed?
Marshy did you protect Virgy?
Medi who did you invest and did it succeed?

im totally not into cats

you werent the person i was talkin bout though. so someone else didnt do what they were 'sposed to, still.

im sorry, i dont remember anything about your role steal. i literally dont remember that. when did you say you could do that... and is it only a night action?

venture brothers isnt a good show at ALL

then cao needs both to tell us his dream and to vote someone to see if his vote still counts towards anything.

HEY CHILL
HEY MEDI
HEY CAO

WAKE UP ITS DAY TIME LETS GO LADIES

i totally hate hip hop

Yes, I got a message last night about it. This is what I meant when I said I knew someone didn't do what they said they did.

And for you to see what Chill's action did to me:

vote: Chill

What the **** mate. Do you know how that looks.



I did! Except, because Chill flirted with me last night, any vote that I cast against him won't count.

A sort of permanent vote-blocker.

It is kinda similar to Sephiroth's role in FF7 and Rat King's in TMNT. And those are both... non-town!

But also, it is a vote block ability. And Marc is also claiming vote blocker.

I'm not saying it damns someone and I don't know who it would between Marc and Chill, but I don't like either of you right now because Chill "didn't know" he was a vote blocker and nobody has ever confirmed Marc yet (CAO should today but he is being inactive and requested replacement a while ago but apparently everyone else who plays mafia in the BRoom was MURDERED. BY THE MAFIA.).



I did.

Well, CAO still needs to say if he can vote and also what his dream was last night phase.

Also, Virgilijus needs to say what happened, or didn't happen, for him, and what his investigation results are.

Also, Scum should claim.

French is the hardest class I've ever taken.

Xsyven: So like maybe you can try to get a replacement for CAO? Maybe Kirby King or M3D or tmw_redcell or Matunas or AltF4 or Matt?

It just has to be someone who will promise to read the thread, because its really not that long of a game, and promise to just post their opinions of other players and confirm that they can vote and what their dream was and also who they suspect. Ask M3D, he's in between jobs, the game will most likely end before NaNoWriMo, and tell him he owes me! :D

Let's revisit this again:

The two players who said their powers went through my defender power are Virgilijus and Mediocre. They both claim that they investigated me on Night 1, and that Virg got an innocent result and Mediocre got an avian result.

Additionally, Virgilijus claims that Night 2 he investigated Circus Day 2 and he got an innocent result. Mediocre claims that Night 2 he investigated Marshy and he got a canine result.

Additionally, both Virgilijus and Mediocre claim that they did not send in a night action Night 3 and therefore have no results to give us.

Circus claimed that Night 1, Chill visited KevinM but nobody visited Chill. Circus claimed that Night 2, Mediocre visited Marshy but nobody visited Mediocre.

Circus's results did not directly contradict my power. Circus's results only backed up Mediocre's claim; however, Mediocre could have easily known that I am Falco simply because of the things that I said throughout the game, and Marshy had already claimed Fox when Mediocre posted his crypto.

If either of you are town, you did a terrible disservice by not submitting a night action. If you are mafia, you wont get away with that terrible excuse.

Still waiting and thinking. T.I. is an incredibly intelligent individual and would never be caught with illegal firearms.

The fact is that Medi visited Marshy for REAL but we don't know what Medi did nor his alignment. Also, his Night 1 contradicts mine.

The fact is that Chill visited KevinM and also me for REAL and we know what he did but we don't know his alignment.

The fact is that we have never confirmed Virgilijus visiting anyone for real and we don't know what he does and we dont know his alignment. Also, his Night 1 contradicts mine.

The fact is that Marshy SOLELY and PRIVATELY killed Scamp and he wouldn't do that as mafia.

The fact is that CAO is terribly inactive and his power is confusing, borderline worthless.

The fact is that Marc's power is not yet confirmed.



The PM from last night did not say Katt or Fox. It only said Chill and Marshy.

I was recruited in a very different fashion in Grammy's. I was love-linked to KevinM the entire game and only switched alignments after Night 3.

Also, I'm fairly sure we know that Chill isn't a mafia recruiter because KevinM was targeted by Chill Night 1 and he still flipped Town when killed by the Mafia. If Chill's vote-negation power is permanent (I think it is!) and he is Mafia aligned then he wouldn't let the mafia kill Kevin. If there is an independent in this game, I think it is Chill, and I think he would be a survivor/no-kill-SK with vote negations instead of kills.



Independent. It was similar to the Rat King in TMNT. I can't say much more, game isn't over.

Young Jeezy is actually made of snow.

Okay, hold on, I hate this.

The FACT is that Medi visited Marshy for REAL, so he DOES HAVE A VISITING POWER. However, he claimed to visit me Night 1 and get a result, which contradicts my power. Virgy also contradicted my power, but we have no proof that he has a visiting role or any support for his claims, contrary to Medi, who Circus supported to say that at least Medi was where he said he was.

Tom's Current Scumdar:
1. Tom (Falco) Defender (X)
2. Marshy (Fox) JOAT (X)
3. Medi (Slippy) Flavor Cop (X)

4. Marc (Panther) Vote-Blocker
5. Cao (???) Dreamer
6. Virgy (ROB) Alignment Cop
7. Chill (Katt) Flirter (X)

(X) indicates that the player (to the best of MY knowledge, by including MYSELF) is not the one carrying out the Mafia Nightkill. The flavor has been specific and the same each night (has been found beaten to death, in a puddle of his own blood.) This knowledge comes from Circus's reports.

HAS CAO SERIOUSLY NOT NAME CLAIMED YET???? WHAT THE ****???

I notoriously over-think things, but it has never directly caused me to lose a game, so I'm not going to stop.

I have a quarter tank of gas in my new E-class, but that's alright, cuz I'm gonna ride. I got everything in my Momma name, but I'm hood right, Nananananana.

I'm like the ghettoistest person I know.

Chill obviously chose me because he wanted his power to succeed. I'm almost positive that my restriction that my votes on Chill don't count anymore is permanent. Also, Mafia wouldn't kill KevinM if Chill had already successfully flirted him up, so Chill probably isn't mafia, but is a nice shoe-in for an independent role, like a Survivor/Non-kill-SK.

Marshy, please tell me more about your role swap that you mentioned. Does it swap alignments? Please speak in detail.

I thought about lobbying for a CAO mod-kill, but then we would never find out if he is really vote-blocked by Marc or not.

Lil Wayne is a Martian, no lie.

My power has caused confusion and two people's statements directly contradict mine re powers and night actions.

Circus would discover a mafia if a) he targeted the mafia or b) he targeted the killed player. He was both a tracker and a watcher. He was also cleared by YOU, and the only other person cleared by you is ME and I contest that it doesn't make sense re my power and night actions.

You seriously can't think of why?

BRB PILLAGING AND PLUNDERING HELLLLLL

You are thinking about things backwards.

Spinning your logic on its head, we already had one confirmed town roleproof so "we already had one why would someone be able to make other people into them for the night?" would be a logical foot-hold someone could take against me, furthering making me a possible lynch target.

My power is less beneficial than Circus's tracker/watcher because he is basically a reporter with no restrictions, that's like the most powerful role ever. He doesn't even need to discriminate between who he thinks is most town and who is most scum - he can simply choose someone and if theyre scum he catches them and if theyre town but the target he catches their killer. Also, he DIRECTLY catches scum while I don't, I just prevent possible night-kills vs scum and stop them from being roleblocked by scum (scum roleblocker already dead) or bus driven by scum (if scum has a bus driver it was probably the barrel roller, who is also already dead).



What? I think you're reading what I said wrong. Read it again.

Circus was cleared by you (the claimed alignment cop), and you have no other clears who accept your story. What does that have to do with you being in my list of people who delivered the night-kill? Re-read and re-respond I guess.

I hate brownies with a fudgey passion.

First, Circus was not cleared yesterday, but Marshy was, so obviously one protection had to go to Marshy. That was my protection. The second protection was to be done by Marshy, and if I had designed the entire plan leaving you vulnerable, that would have looked terrible on my part and would have only furthered the drive to disagree with everything I said. Also, You were more townie-looking in general to everyone than Circus was. This can be seen on the previous Day's scumlists by more than one person. Also, you would have come in Day 4 with an investigation just like Circus would, so the plan was still protecting a role that had to come up with a decision the next day (as town, clearing or damning someone; as mafia, having to either clear someone or lie).

This is a "its your fault the dead person died" argument, and is not valid at all. Where were your problems with my plan yesterDay?



Yeah, it would be very one sided, which is good for us, but someone could also argue "its too one sided to be true," which would be a reason to leave me alive. ALSO, that was not my only posited reasoning, but one of a few, but apparently you get to dismiss the ones that make sense and attack the ones that don't.



I'm only Night Action Immune when I protect myself. You understand that, right? I'm only night action immune when I use the power on myself because thats what my power does, it defends my target from all night actions.



If I were the Godfather and always got innocent readings, then I wouldn't need to kill Circus the tracker who would only get inno readings on me, and I wouldn't have to attack Virgy the cop who actually got an inno on me. I would have offered to protect someone but Virgy (Circus, maybe?) and then killed Virgy, WITHOUT ever questioning Virgy's inno on me, and then I would be ****ing clear the rest of the game.

Medi says his went through, but we have no proof of that. You say yours went through, but we have no proof of that.

Chill said that his DIDN'T go through, and we DO have proof of that. He got a response that I gave him the cold shoulder and it didn't work. Then, LAST NIGHT, when he targeted me while I was defending Marshy, it DID work. You have seen that it worked, because my vote on him didn't count for anything. Or are you ignoring that?

Lil Wayne is a Goblin, no lie.

Scav says he will replace CAO...

BRB driving to Texas to give him a hug and homemade cookies...

Sorry, Scav, the first thing you need to know is that I have a posting restriction that requires me to say one sarcastic thing each post. Not kidding.

BRB driving to Texas to give you a hug and homemade cookies...

quickedit: i will prepare a summary post for you

Please read the last five pages (40ppp) like you said you would, though. I know you don't want to read the entire thread, but you need to see things in other peoples words to get opinions besides the raw game knowledge you get from your role PM with past night action updates and from this summary post.

Dead Players:
1. McFox: Pigma Dengar (Paranoid/Vengeful Townie): McFox had a posting restriction that every 2 posts he had to make 1 vote. I did not believe him; I was not alone in not believing him. However, I focused on Evil Eye as scum, and so did Virgilijus. McFox ended up ****ing up his posting restriction 3 times, and as a result his character committed suicide. However, he was also given a vengeful kill to make immediately without consulting anyone, and he chose Aruun, who KevinM had been dogging for being newbie, on Day 1.

2. Aruun: Miyu (Town Vanilla): Aruun was apparently the only vanilla townie in this game. He was new and though he was doing okay he was majorly dogged by KevinM and resorted to bad retorts and bad logic and got vengeful killed by McFox on Day 1.

3. Ignatius: Wolf O'Donnell (Independent Hunter): Night 1, Ignatius the independent player was killed. He was probably some kind of SK, but also possibly a Fox lyncher or something.

4. Scamp: Krystal (Mafia Hooker) - During Day 2, the game lulled majorly, with Tom and Virgilijus saying Evil Eye was mafia, but then Tom got bored of the game, and many people disappeared and stopped talking. During this lull, Marshy secretly day-vigged Scamp, who was the Mafia Hooker.

5. Evil Eye (later Hylian): Peppy Hare (Mafia Barrel Roller): The lynch on Day 2 ended up being Evil Eye, and the only people finally on it were Tom, Virgilijus, and KevinM. Medi had previously voted Evil Eye, and so had Marc I think, but they were not on the final lynch. We think he was some kind of bus driver.

6. KevinM: Bill Grey (Town Bodyguard): KevinM was the kill on Night 2. He was a bodyguard.

7. Macman (earlier CK): Andrew Oikonny (Town Roleproof): Macman replaced Crimson King, but his role claim was fairly unbelievable and he didn't retort very well to any arguments against him, and he also kind of taunted the cops to investigate him to prove he was roleproof, which seemed scummy, so he was lynched.

8. Circus: Leon Powalski (Town Tracker): Circus was the death Night 3. He was a combination tracker/watcher. He never hit bingo on a kill or killed.

Alive Players:
1. Scav (CAOTIC): ??? (Town Dreamer): CAO was terribly (and characteristically) inactive and I don't think he has even name claimed. He dreams every night or some ****. We need your dream from last night.

2. Marshy: Fox McCloud (Town Jack of All Trades): Marshy is Fox and he has a number of powers. He used his only vig shot to kill a mafia, and therefore is totally clear and the only person I will lime for you. He had some investigation I think, or he has one I think, but I as far as I remember it is not an alignment investigation and is worthless. I think he has a protection left.

3. Tom: Falco Lombardi (Town Defender): I am a Town Defender. Every night, I can choose one person to make completely immune to all night abilities targeted towards them. I can use this power on myself.

4. Chill: Katt Munroe (Town Flirter): Chill claims that he has no idea what his power does. However, what is power does is that when he flirts with someone, their votes against him no longer count. This has been proven in the thread.

5. Marc: Panther Caroso (Town Vote-blocker): Marc claims that he is a vote-blocker, with the twist that if his target is visited by someone, the vote block will fail. He did not N1, N2 it failed, N3 he targeted you and got a success. You need to confirm if you are vote blocked.

6. Virgilijus: ROB (Town Alignment Cop): Virg claims that he is the alignment cop in this game, and his investigations have been Night 1 (me, inno), Night 2 (Circus, inno).

7. Mediocre: Slippy Toad (Town Flavor Cop): Medi claims that he is a flavor cop in this game, and that when he investigates someone, he learns their species, and his investigations have been Night 1 (me, avian), Night 2 (Marshy, canine).

Known/Claimed Night Actions:
Night 1:

• Tom defends self from all night actions
• Scamp DOES SOMETHING
• Evil Eye DOES SOMETHING
• KevinM probably protects someone?
• Medi investigates Tom: Avian
• Virgilijus investigates Tom: Innocent
• Marshy does something? (i forget)
• Circus investigates Chill: sees Chill go to KevinM, sees nobody at Chill
• Chill flirts with Tom: "given the cold shoulder" aka failed night action
• Marc chooses not to vote-block

Night 2:

• Tom defends self from all night actions
• KevinM probably protects someone?
• Medi investigates Marshy: Canine (stated post-Fox claim)
• Virgilijus investigates Circus: Innocent
• Marshy does something? (i forget) (Day 2 he killed Scamp)
• Circus investigates Medi: sees Medi go to Marshy, sees nobody at Medi
• Chill flirts with KevinM: Kevin also dies so uh lol nothing is proven
• Marc chooses to vote-block Marshy (pre-Fox claim) but someone else visits Marshy and it fails (claimed pre-Medi stating he visited Marshy and also pre-Fox claim)

Night 3:

• Tom defends Marshy from all night actions
• Medi does not send in an investigation to Xsyven
• Virgilijus does not send in an investigation to Xsyven
• Marshy does nothing on purpose
• Chill flirts with Tom: he succeeds in melting my wittle heart, and now my votes against him dont work (proven in thread)
• Marc chooses to vote-block CAO and says it worked (needs to be confirmed by CAO)

Problems:

• You need to claim what your dream was last night.
• You need to confirm whether or not you were vote-blocked by Marc.
• Virgilijus and Mediocre both claim that they successfully investigated me Night 1, but I defended myself that night (supposedly from ALL NIGHT ACTIONS). An explanation would be mafia roleblock or mafia barrel roller ****ed up my defense, or they are both lying ().
• Chill's role seems anti-town but also seems non-mafia.

Final Vote Counts:
Day 1:
Evil Eye: (4) Tom, McFox, Aruun, Crimson King
McFox: (2) Ignatius, Evil Eye
Aruun: (2) KevinM, Marshy
CAOTIC: (1) Chill
KevinM: (1) CAOTIC
Note: McFox vengeful-mod-killed for ****ing up his claim.

Day 2:
Hylian: (3) Virgilijus, KevinM, Tom
Marshy: (2) Mediocre, Chill
Marc: (1) Hylian
Mediocre: (1) Circus
KevinM: (1) CAOTIC
Crimson KIng: (1) Marshy

Day 3 Vote count:
Macman: (3) Circus, Marshy, Virgilijus, Medi




There you go for a summary.

I'm totally off to bed soon, and I absolutely promise not to keep staying up and reading threads and listening to music.

Responding to your other post right now, but how can you claim that the barrel roller and the roleblocker woudlnt be able to be the source of the inconsistency? We don't know the specifics of their role, or if the barrel roller would have night action priority over me.

I challenge you to go back and copy what you said and see if it still is legit, seeing as how: We don't know the specifics of their role, or if the barrel roller would have night action priority over me.

oh god my roommate just had a heart attack

But I told you exactly why I did what I did, and why I recommended a protect of you over a protect of Circus. Recap: You were more inno looking than Circus to everyone (by way of lynching EE), and Circus was not cleared.



Did you forget which side you are arguing in this little division of semantics that doesn't even need to happen?

I said that it would be a reason to suspect me, and that is why it is one of many reasons they could have thought to leave me alive instead of Circus. Also, the other reasonings were, as I said already, Circus was the only cleared-by-you inno that you had that didn't contest the result, so if you are a real cop and not mafia, they would want to get rid of Circus, so they would end up leaving me alive. Also, the inconsistencies between the night actions could serve as a platform for my lynch, while Circus didn't have those inconsistencies, so they would leave me alive. Also, its not bad of you to attack the reasonings that dont make sense, but its bad of you to attack them without even mentioning that the others do make perfect sense and they dont all have to be reasons for the mafia to make their decisions. Its chasing ghosts.




Yes. Do you remember your point?



You said: "What if Tom was the Godfather and always gets innocent readings? His protecting himself would coincide with any tracker or watcher with their eye on him Night 1 and 2. He wouldn't be immune to other actions though, and Medi and Chill's actions would go through (like they did). In preparing for Night 3, he set up the town list that left the only tracker/watcher and in his own words an incredibly strong role unprotected."

I assumed by your first two sentences you meant that I would get innocent readings by a tracker. Because in many games, trackers get null on Godfathers just like cops do. What was your point in this italicized argument, about the tracker seeing me visit myself? If I were a Godfather, I wouldn't visit myself. If I'm protected, I should be immune to everything, but on Night 1, 2 things went through and 1 thing didn't.



What about my vote on Chill today, then, that proves that he nullified my vote on him?

What is even your point about Katt and Falco? What does it have to do with your and Medi's investigations going through or not. Furthermore, WHY would I argue against the inno you gave me if I were mafia?

I guess I'll ask that question again, because you've never answered it. WHY would I argue against the inno you gave me if I were mafia?

In Xiivi's game, I had to be sent 3 letters to be recruited to mafia. Xiivi invented that himself, and Grammy's started after Star Fox. You are drawing a connection, saying that you think Katt had to flirt with me twice to nullify my vote. What... does that have to do with anything? And why would it even matter?



Like you said, they don't prove, but I will examine this web in detail.

Medi: I investigated Tom N1 and got a good result.
Virgy: I investigated Tom N1 and got a good result.
Medi: I investigated Marshy N2 and got a good result.
Circus: N2 I saw Medi investigate Marshy.

Chill: N1 my night action on Tom failed.

Tom: N1 I should have been immune to all night actions.

There are many inconsistencies in the web that could be accounted for by a number of things, including MAFIA night actions that we do NOT know about and we do NOT know their priority, and possibly Chill lying about his N1 night actions and result.

brb looting my roommates ****

Yes, if my target is protected from all night actions targeting them, then my role PM would imply that I have priority. However, if the Barrel Roller works in a way that we don't understand, or it has immediate priority over everything else, then my role PM would be slight ******* modding.

You have disproven that Xsy doesn't slight ******* mod, or have proven exactly what the mafia roleblocker and barrel roller can do?

Also, my point about my knowing that ROB would be mafia comes from talk with Xsyven WAY WAY back before the game even started, when he said he liked the idea of making Peppy mafia and ROB mafia.

OH GOD MY ROOMMATE IS A ZOMBIE QUICK CALL SNAKE PLISSKIN OR SOMETHING

This makes most sense, and could be EITHER the roleblocker OR the barrel roller.

brb getting my bat-zombie-repellent

i want to be a janitor when i grow up!!!!

Tom's Current Scumdar:
1. Tom (Falco) Defender (X)
2. Marshy (Fox) JOAT (X)
3. Medi (Slippy) Flavor Cop (X)
4. Virgy (ROB) Alignment Cop
5. Marc (Panther) Vote-Blocker
6. Cao (???) Dreamer
7. Chill (Katt) Flirter (X)

(X) means they couldn't be the one who commits the regular night kill flavor if maf each have specifically different kill flavor.

Currently waiting for:
Scav to name claim, post his dream, and confirm whether or not he is vote-blocked.

Currently discussing:
Virgy-Medi-Tom N1 discrepancy.
Chill as an independent.

Currently listening to:
Lil Wayne ft. Gucci Mane - We Be Steady Mobbin

OH GOD MY FINGERS ARE FALLING OFF no jk i love typing



Slight *******-modding by saying my target is immune to all night actions targeted at them, but causing it to fail on me if I am roleblocked on a night where I make my target me, is not incorrect modding. And of course we speculate it is somehow reflective or bus driving, I agree with that, but we don't know the specifics.



There is ONE inconsistency. On Night 1, I was apparently not immune to night actions. Also, I'm not about to ****ing lose this game by ignoring a possible inconsistency and then say "oops well it was the mods fault so i dont blame myself." I want to win and that opinion, while you could probably totally be town and thats your legit opinion because you are virg and that is how you are, is absolutely not how I am when it comes to playing mafia.



I brought it up once, in one sentence, in a large post. It was not a sole point, it was simply a comment. I then proceeded to NEVER USE IT to back up any of my arguments until you brought it up again, and then again, and I was forced to address it. I am an experienced enough player to know that isn't proof or complimentary to proof. So I didn't.

CLICKITY CLACK DOWN THE TRACK
ITS LOTS AND LOTS OF POSTS!



If we don't know specifically how the bus driver works, then we don't know.

Also, I could have simply been the target of the roleblock Night 1, and then according to the hypothesis (causing it to fail on me if I am roleblocked on a night where I make my target me, is not incorrect modding) my defending would fail on myself n1.

ALSO, Peppy's action could be to tell someone to "DO A BARREL ROLL" and then they have to reflect ****. OR, Peppy could have had nothing to do with me N1, and it could have just been Krystal.

Also, I don't care if you don't like any amount of reliance of ******* modding.

As you can see, I've been fairly busy, with reason. I've also got other **** going on, like school and recs, but I know you all have that **** too.

As I said earlier, all of my games are winding down besides this one, and then I will dedicate all of the Tommy goodness to this game.

Also, I actually haven't been that inactive, only really the last 3 days or so, and you can now see why.

 

[Crimson King]

To answer this because I think it needs answering:

However, saying that I'm 100% fine with CK would be a lie. There's two posts in particular that makes me uneasy. That would be posts 205/209. What strikes me odd about this is that CK assumes the mafia cannot talk during the day. This is a really odd assumption to make, especially considering the past 2 LoD mafia games were Disney and Grammys, both of which allowed mafia to communicate at all times. CK participated in both (in fact he had 2 roles in each), and I would only assume he would have been interested enough to read the Role PMs of games he was excited enough to play 2 roles in. So really, I'm wondering where exactly this assumption came from. What I'm really wondering is if it was an assumption at all.

If you recall, in Disney I was an indie killer and a town King. In Grammies, I was a nurse and an indie reporter. Other than this game, I have only played a few games in the Broom, and of those, I think I was mafia once, maybe twice (definitely twice if counting town traitor). Other than these, I have only really played Epic Mafia, where I never really talked to other Mafiosos during the day, nor did I in the game where I was mafia with Iggy because the rules explicitly stated no outside discussion. I assumed that meant that Mafia could only speak at night.

This should not clear me at all because if I were mafia, trying to cast doubt on something that mafia would know (sort of how SuSa did with claiming mafia would not know each other Day 1) would be a pretty decent strategy. All I can say to defend it is it was my interpretation of "no outside communication" as "no outside communication including Mafia during the day."

Hope that clears that up in some way.

 

[Crimson King]

@Tom: I'm fine with that. I know Star Fox Mafia is getting towards those crucial final days, and Town has been doing pretty well, so I expect the game to drag on a bit. If you can just keep posting every day or so to at least say you are reading our posts, I'm willing to give you some slack. However, I plan to hold you to your activity promise. It's kind of disappointing that after an activity prod we still have no solid leads or discussion, other than SuSa versus Xiivi.

 

[Xiivi]

@234: CK, I'm doing everyone. And in no real order actually. Just scrolling along and picking people when I see them. What I don't like about this post is that you say "I am not suspecting this person for Day 1 anymore." and then proceed to not unvote. That doesn't sit well with me at all. It's a case of your words (I'm fine with this person for Day 1) not matching up with your actions (keeping your vote placed on me).

@235: Tom, it really alarms me that you suddenly felt the need to post that. I said my suspicions of you were mostly ghost tells and nothing more. CK said he felt you were legitimately busy. Neither of us were that suspicious of it from my perspective. Yet for some reason you felt pressured to post all of that? That rubs me the wrong way. Especially since your explanation in 230 was fine. :/

Going back to writing about other peoples....if the post never appears it's because I fell asleep.

Actually here's what I have just in case:
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bowser king

There really isn't much to BK actually. Post 140 he gives what I feel is a legitimate attempt to pull something new from the Xiivi/SuSa fiasco, something I always appreciate.

He has a little skirmish with Chibo in posts 153/156. One which gives me a really comfortable feeling about him. Chibo takes the chance to attack him for his RVS comment---->


[Break in thought I just remembered: Post 143 Tom had a RVS comment directed at Hilt [137] alone, although BK [140] said the same thing which I found odd at the time. (And Chaco was the one who tipped this off to a degree [136].) I don't know where I'm going with this, but I remember it jumping out at me.]

<----and bowser king's response just sits really well with me. What I really like about 153 is bowser king calling out Chibo's auto-clearing of SuSa.

Post 166 he offers his insight to SuSa about why it would be good to unvote himself based on the town point of view. I just really like this.

Post 213 sits well with me also. Alternate way to explain Kataefi's posting to air. Just seems like something he'd do as town.

Overall, BK's cool in my book right now.
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I think I just have Chibo (bad), Vyse (good), and Air (neutral) left.

 

[Tom]

@235: Tom, it really alarms me that you suddenly felt the need to post that. I said my suspicions of you were mostly ghost tells and nothing more. CK said he felt you were legitimately busy. Neither of us were that suspicious of it from my perspective. Yet for some reason you felt pressured to post all of that? That rubs me the wrong way. Especially since your explanation in 230 was fine. :/

im skimming and wanted to make sure everything was fine

 

[Xiivi]

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Hey Chibo, you know who was my number one townie read before post 223? You.

223 is competing for worst post in this game (right behind the post where SuSa voted himself). In fact, I'm really surprised that SuSa, and only SuSa [228] has commented on it at this point. In fact: air, chaco, tom, CK; why did none of you comment on this post at all?

This post is just awful. Regardless of his alignment, I don't see a good reason for posting that post. If he is mafia, I don't see why he wouldn't just PM Steel that question. If he was town/indie I don't see why he would throw out a big WIFOM mafia claim. All this post did was make me doubt my opinion on Chibo and really mess with my head (mainly because I can both see him making that joke, and I can see him making that mistake).

Chibo, why did you open up this? You yourself said in posts 152/154, you jump on the chance to target BK for his RVS comment. It seemed like you were as unfound of the RVS as I am. One of the main reasons I hate RVS is because I've seen people say things they shouldn't have said and try to write it off as jokes in the RVS. You seemed like you really wanted activity [218/221/225], so why would you throw out an "I'm mafia" joke? This really disturbs me.

I was fine with your normal reckless Chibo play: attempting to clear someone [152], attempting to discuss power roles [180/188], etc... and have learned to not find it annoying from seeing your games. But 223 worries me greatly.
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Vyse:
131 is a really nice. He goes through and pulls out new information when many others weren't willing to. 134/169/215 don't worry me much, even though you were the one to drop the double voter idea and opened up that whole mess. However, I still have a good feeling about you. This also scares me because of how well you played Grammys, where you played a very pro-town game as non-town. I'd really like to see more out of you because of this.
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Air:
You're last so you get an even more half-hearted write-up than Vyse got.

124: I didn't like your anser to the 3rd question. Did you really feel he was vote hopping and the way he was vote hopping was alarming in some way? A 'random' vote, a dumb random vote, and a self-vote. All the votes were kind of dumb, but I wouldn't right it down as vote hopping.

178: I liked this because you brought something new to the table instead of parroting.

185: Liked the first part of the post. Last line not so much, you're acting as if when you throw your vote down it's permanent and seem randomly worried about being wrong. Do you expect all of your votes to be perfectly placed?

203/204: These are good. It's nice that you're attempting to look into a different person than everyone else seems to be.

231: Didn't like how you make the assumption that posting restriction = independent. Especially when you played Grammys where you had a posting restriction as mafia and there was a townie with a posting restriction.
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Making one more post, I think, maybe.