Anime Mafia!: Moved To dGames from LoD (Guess who won!)

[Tom]

Wow, what the ****, NO.

Susa take a ****ing chill pill. DON'T CLAIM ANYTHING.

Why would you?

 

[SuSa]

I already said I had no plans to. I was just curious because of the rule, which I quoted.

 

[SuSa]

have* not had

Screw words that dictate which time.

 

[Airgemini]

Why are you just FoSing SuSa?

I kind of already explained.
He's obviously the one that stands out scummy today so far, imo. But I feel that placing an actual vote on him might not be too good since he is new and might not fully understand the game yet.

Do you have anything of your own to add to the plate?

Hmmm.
Well I do kind of agree that you're posting a little too much. But I don't really see any problems with it other than mafia hiding behind you. I think you should tone it down a little and wait for other people's opinions.

How is SuSa "not making up his mind on who to vote"?

I meant that he keeps (kept) switching his votes.

How would you feel about Kataefi if SuSa is lynched and flips scum/town/indy?

If he flipped scum I'd probably think that Kataefi is town because it'd look like SuSa was trying to drag someone down with him or is trying to split the suspicions on him.

If he flipped up town I'd think Kataefi was mafia because he was defending SuSa which somewhat implies that he knew that SuSa was town and tried to make himself look townish the next day. Well, it would to me anyways.

 

[SuSa]

I voted a random, it was pointed out it didn't seem very random.
I made the poor choice of switching my vote to a far more random seeming random.
I decided to vote for myself, rather then the random.

Considering 2 were random, and the one switch was made without fully thinking it through.

I don't think I "haven't made up my mind" on who to vote, I've only made one real vote so far. Which was towards myself.

 

[Kataefi]

SuSa I'm actually a bit annoyed at you because you've drawn unnecessary attention on me and you've acted like we're somehow affiliated, and we're not.

This honestly came out of nowhere... I was simply (and naively) curious as to why Xiivi was pushing on someone so young and fresh to the game so suddenly... and you've pretty much absorbed that, said 'hey I'll make everyone even MORE suspicious of me', and held a big *** sign over your head whilst dragging me down with you...

So yeah... first question is Why? Second question: Why no damage control? It just seems like you're out to make a situation go from bad to worse... like... you're driving, right? and you can clearly see the wall you're about to crash into, but you're doing nothing to prevent it. And yeah unfortunately for me I just happen to be that passenger next to you. This whole thing is a big surprise to me!

@Xiivi:

I used an FoS partly because I had just found out what it meant in those links you provided (I saw Teran using them a lot in the previous mafia), and also because I felt the game had just begun, it was still very early imo to cast such a quick vote from my experience... I wanted it to develop and then I'll say 'right... vote so and so'... So yeah it was my alternative means of quickly distancing myself from SuSa and telling everyone that I am not directly or indirectly connected to him. I hope you can see my transition from defending to suddenly questioning him if you read back a few pages because that transition was genuine the moment he started acting really weird.

Right now... I truly don't mind voting if you press me on it but if I were to be 100% honest I still wouldn't mind waiting until things develop and then I can cast my vote if other players start to show some stuff to comment on.

@Air... if SuSa were town... why would that make me mafia? If I were to step in mafia's shoes right now I'd be trying to get SuSa lynched as much as possible to protect and divert attention away from fellow mafia members.

 

[Xiivi]

Right now... I truly don't mind voting if you press me on it

I'll respond to other stuff later, but this is not the case at all. If you throw down an FoS/Vote that strikes me as odd I'm going to question you on it. Everyone should vote as they please.

 

[SuSa]

I have my reasons for what I have done, and since - at this moment - you can't really trust anyone anyways, I question peoples motives.

What I do allows me to see how they react. This may be my first game, but that doesn't mean I can't come around like a wild-trigger to try and get reactions.

More reactions from everyone, hopefully gives the town more to work with on the following day. Depending on how this day plays out.

As town, my only goal is for town to win. Whether or not I make it to the end or not. Depending how people react upon what I do - allows the rest of the town to possibly see how they act or look for any information that may have slipped or seem suspicious.

 

[Kataefi]

I have my reasons for what I have done......Depending how people react upon what I do - allows the rest of the town to possibly see how they act or look for any information that may have slipped or seem suspicious.

It's like trying to decipher a bunch of riddles! I'm not a very logical person at all, so I'd like you to break this down please... Have you essentially given everyone a hint to your role? A posting restriction forcing you to act completely irrational?

@Xiivi... I thought you were implying I should vote him. An FoS was enough for me personally in case he really is honestly just being plain irrational. It's my so-and-so vote, for the reasons I gave in my earlier post. I'm not 100% clear on him and when I reach that clearance on anyone my vote will come naturally. I want to see what everyone says.

 

[SuSa]

I go by logic, which is probably why you don't understand my motives.

I have given no hints to my role, or at least. Not knowingly.

As of right now, I have my own thoughts on everyone. For the sake of not wanting to point any fingers this early, I'd like to keep my thoughts to myself. Especially because if I am wrong, I don't want to make enemies among friends.

 

[Vyse]

Damn man, I wake up and there's a bajillion pages to read through.
Thanks Xiivi

After reading through it all, I feel you guys are failing to address an important thing at the start.

Vote: Chaco
It's weird he'd make a vote so quickly, with no reasoning. I think he may be a Traitor/Spy - so he's trying to lynch the townies as fast as possible.

Rather then use random reasoning, I decided to test my knowledge of the game.

AFAIK, Traitor/Spy are the only Mafia whom know who the other Mafia are, and therefore know who the Townies are (by elimination), therefore would want to lynch a townie before the Mafia.

Don't the Mafia learn of eachother during the first Night phase?

It's still Day 1.

Also, again. You bring up the unfamiliar with "RVS". Ever think that at first I was against it, but then I see why people did it?

I've been spending the past hour running around the Mafia Wiki thing. :x

EDIT: Returning my edit to before it was an edit, then posting a new post... slipped up >.<

There are a few things I'm curious about, namely the throwing in of the traitor/spy thing.
Can you elaborate on all of this?

I'm not convinced that what you said is true.

How did you formulate the assumption that mafia don't learn of each other til the first night phase? I just want to understand your thought process that lead you to post this way, if it is indeed true that you happened upon an article about traitor/spy (or something about that role anyhow).

What I don't buy is that you didn't know that the mafia knew of each other from the very beginning, but you knew enough about that one specific role for some reason.

Before playing this did you read the grammy's thread but not the newbie guide?
What did you read before you started posting in here?

If you watch the flash tutorial on how to play that's linked at the start, it clearly says that mafia are told who each other are.

And why were you against RVS?

I go by logic, which is probably why you don't understand my motives.

I have given no hints to my role, or at least. Not knowingly.

As of right now, I have my own thoughts on everyone. For the sake of not wanting to point any fingers this early, I'd like to keep my thoughts to myself. Especially because if I am wrong, I don't want to make enemies among friends.

I don't think it's too early to point fingers. If you believe you've come up with a good read on someone, you should put it out there. Right now you're letting people batter you with questions, while they don't have to answer for anything.

In fact the only reason why you wouldn't want to cross someone's toes is because you're mafia, trying to keep out of the spotlight, which if you are, you've made a tremendous mess of.

 

[SuSa]

There are a few things I'm curious about, namely the throwing in of the traitor/spy thing.
Can you elaborate on all of this?

I'm not convinced that what you said is true.

How did you formulate the assumption that mafia don't learn of each other til the first night phase? I just want to understand your thought process that lead you to post this way, if it is indeed true that you happened upon an article about traitor/spy (or something about that role anyhow).

What I don't buy is that you didn't know that the mafia knew of each other from the very beginning, but you knew enough about that one specific role for some reason.

Before playing this did you read the grammy's thread but not the newbie guide?
What did you read before you started posting in here?

If you watch the flash tutorial on how to play that's linked at the start, it clearly says that mafia are told who each other are.

And why were you against RVS?



I don't think it's too early to point fingers. If you believe you've come up with a good read on someone, you should put it out there. Right now you're letting people batter you with questions, while they don't have to answer for anything.

In fact the only reason why you wouldn't want to cross someone's toes is because you're mafia, trying to keep out of the spotlight, which if you are, you've made a tremendous mess of.

Only role I remembered reading up on, I saw "Knows who the other Mafia are, they don't know him"

I misread the wiki, sue me.

I read the Traitor/Spy on the flash thing, I didn't pay TO much attention to the actual flash. Just enough to get the gist of it, and cared a lot more about what roles do what (out of curiosity)

I was against the RVS because I honestly didn't understand it, I read up more and saw more games (especially the beginning of the Grammy's Mafia) and understood it better.

I DON'T have a good read on anyone right now. That's why, with my minimal things I've contrived from other postings I don't feel I have enough.

 

[Steel]

To everyone NOT playing:

Please respect the game and don't post for no reason, if you have something to say then please use PMs or AIM.

 

[Vyse]

SuSa, that's the same way Hylian was playing in Grammies, and I got pretty fed up with it. Especially since I never got my questions answered about him (though Crimson King2 turned out to be Town).

If everyone played by that mentality, the game would go nowhere, because nobody would say anything, and nobody would have anything to work with. You need to understand that for town to get anywhere, it needs to try and trip people up and get people on the defensive. Or at least, that's what I believe.

Nobody can really blame you for trying to be pro-active about scum hunting. As long as you're town, you have nothing to fear from playing pro-actively, even if you die, the sun will rise on the next day and the town will have more information.

Just try SuSa.
With what little you have, take a stab at someone, maybe something interesting will happen.
That was Tom's advice in Grammies, and it worked well for me (til I died).

 

[SuSa]

I'm not going to play like this a long time, but as of right now - I really don't have enough information.

Some people have only posted like 3-4 times, and basing my thoughts on just those posts, I get a REALLY small amount of what I can think.

 

[Chaco]

Then wait until content arises. Activity is good and all, but let other people get some posts in.

The RVS is generally the means to get things going, however that was killed near instantly.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Well I have some time to post now, my suspicion of SuSu is obvious, but not as much as how others feel about him, like yourself, xiivi. It just seems to me he made a mistake, realized he ****ed up, tried to fix it, dug the whole even deeper, got emo about it, and gave up. The vote on himself is dumb though.

But RVS ending this fast sucks @_@
I have little to respond to haha

However SuSa, I'd recommend assisting what Tom mentioned and try to allow other conversations to begin without them being centralized on you, so we can make some progress. It seems Xiivi's backed off a bit so let's see how that goes for now.

 

[SuSa]

I haven't given up. <_<

 

[Crimson King]

Susa, don't take offense to this, but shut the **** up. Right now, I just finished reading from pages 2 - 4 (40ppp), and you have stuck out, a lot. This is not good for the town because we have the focal point on a sole new member with a veteran (Xivii) grilling him. Frankly, I don't have any clear reads on either of you, and Susa is coming off as more of a newbie than a legitimate scum. I do like Xivii's analysis of him, but I am more disturbed by the attention he is drawing to himself, Susa, and by Susa, Kataefi. This has been a method of drawing a lot of people out of inactivity, but I worry more about hurting town at this point. Susa and Xivii even MENTIONING claims so early is extremely disturbing.

What should be noted is that Day 1 is for the mafia to feel everyone out. They need to assess who will be dangerous to them should they leak a scumtell, who will likely get themselves lynched anyway, who will help lynch town, and who will just serve as a distraction. By focusing on one person so fast and easily, we are misusing our one real power as town: Day Lynches. I mean think how powerful we could be if we could actually clear as many people as possible on Day 1 and get a solid lynch. Unfortunately, I feel that we are not using this to the fullest.

Vote: Xivii

Xivii, be a dear and answer these questions:

Do you honestly think Susa is scum, and if so, can you link to the direct scum tells? Could they just be newbietells? I loved this analysis of Susa's odd post, but other than that, he really comes off as naive rather than legitimately messing up hiding himself.

Are there any other people who really make you want to pounce like you did?

I'm really more concerned about your focus being based on some small drops. I was initially with such things as naming possible claims for the mafia (which is just odd...), but his defeatist mentality can be either REALLY newbie or REALLY newbie scummy. I am leaning towards the former since he went as far as to vote for himself, which legitimately could end with his lynching and the Mafia don't need that.

So, elaborate would be the summary.

 

[Bowser King]

Susa seems to be the only person we have anything on other then xivii. It would have been nice to get more out of the RVS.

As for SuSa, he isn't doing anything to help himself look less scummy. For example, he sometimes talks about doing things and then follows it up with "I never wanted too" or "I'm not giving up" even though his posts make it seem that way. That's just a one of the things hes done to make himself look scummy.

However, at this point, I just think he's really nooby. He's just making it worse for himself while under pressure. At the time, I just think xivii just needs to slow down so we can get more out of people not named SuSa.

 

[Crimson King]

That pretty much reiterates my point: we have learned NOTHING from the inquisition on Susa other than he's being extremely new to the game. I think that mentality is a great way to root out scum, but it's hard to tell if he's being legitimately scummy yet.

Keep in mind though, that if we have no solid leads on anyone by the end of the day, I am more than willing to lynch Susa solely because I don't see how he will contribute to the town winning the game at this point. I'd rather lynch anti-town players as early on as possible.

 

[Marc]

What strikes me about Xiivi is that he was pretty much a lurker in Disney Mafia (as scum), while he's been insanely active in this game. While I agree he needs to tone it down, I tend to trust him for now. I want to hear from everyone before we lynch, but I agree with CK's reasoning on SuSa to a certain extent. I actually think he seems "too n00bish" and could very well be Mafia who screwed up early, but I tend to misjudge new players a lot. Our top priority should be to get everyone involved, anyway.

 

[Tom]

No one should ever multi-post like Xiivi did. I find it suspicious that you made something like 20 posts in a row where you individually addressed everything instead of making one post addressing it all. You even felt the need to make two separate posts about someone who isn't even playing the game. The Day so far has been largely too much The Xiivi and SuSa Show . The back and forth between you two resulted in Xiivi with 38 posts, SuSa with 32, and then the mod with 18. I am an active player especially on Day 1 and this is my 5th post. This severely narrows the focus of the Day on 2 or 3 people and results in attitudes like the one I am forced to take right now: I'm completely uncomfortable voting anyone because I feel like I would be ignoring all but 2 players, and the only way to fix that is to draw everyone else back into the discussion.

@Susa: Take your vote off of yourself, and then relax. I know you feel the need to actively contribute, but you aren't accomplishing much except damning yourself so far.

@CK: I agree with almost everything you've said, except your mention of the end of Day 1 already. The game just started, and **** me if we can make an intelligent decision based on what has been done so far.

@Hilt: RVS ending quickly is a good thing, just not when it lopsides into an oblong game with 1/6 of the players making 3/4 of the posts.

@Airgemini: Now you've played both scum and town in forum games. Since playing as scum, what things did you learn that you should do as town?

 

[Tom]

ATTN Steel:

Hey everyone, sorry, but I am going to be V/LA for a while. At least, I might.

I'm not going to post in the LoD until KevinM is un-room banned, so I may be gone from the game for 7 days.

 

[Airgemini]

@Airgemini: Now you've played both scum and town in forum games. Since playing as scum, what things did you learn that you should do as town?

Definately post more and state what you're thinking about the current situation. Right now, like everyone else has said, Xiivi and SuSa have been posting waaaay too much. I don't think I've seen Chibo post at all yet (correct me if I'm wrong), and I'd like to see more from others (mainly Chibo).

 

[Marc]

That's a bad reason, Tom. =/

 

[Steel]

Sent you a pm, tom.

 

[Tom]

Yeah. That wouldn't be fair of me. I was just peeved about the ban.

I won't stop playing.

 

[Steel]

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[Marc]

Alright, Tom.

FoS: Chibo

Where you at!?

 

[CT Chia]

Posting to avoid inactivity

I was at Spoc on Saturday and hosted DSO 9 yesterday. I'm at work now, I'll read the game within the hour then post stuffs.

 

[CT Chia]

Ok, done reading

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That was the most ridiculous exchange of posts I've seen in a mafia game yet.

I really don't think Susa is scum though, no matter how much he's pissing me (and probably others) off. The fact that he didn't think mafia people knew each other till N1 is a big thing. I really doubt right off the bat he would be smart enough to say something like that to make everyone think he's not scum. Susa, unvote yourself, and chill. Let other conversations start.

I'm not sure what to think about Xiivi. It's so much attention that I don't know if that would be a really smart move or not. It's just a lot of unnecessary attention that a lot of people will likely cling to, and Xiivi is smart enough to not garner unwanted attention (and there's no jester in this game )

Susa seems to be the only person we have anything on other then xivii. It would have been nice to get more out of the RVS.

This was the first, and one of the only things that really stood out to me that I didn't like. I understand the point of RVS, but don't see any reason to pro long it. Do you really think we're going to get much out of it? It's random. If people are going to slip up just from random votes, they need to chill and learn some self control. I would think most people here can handle that if they want to play effectively as scum. Even though the Susa Xiivi thing was a pain in the ass to read, it's fairly good for the game imo since it really got things going with legitimate conversation going on, and not just "lol i vote you" "wth i vote you" "whats your favorite color" "yellow" "wtf i hate yellow; vote: you" "bla bla bla." Not to mention why would you specifically want to pro long the RVS stage. The only thing I can see coming from that is to randomly keep suspicion off of you and hope it lands on someone else. This could either mean that your scum wanting to make sure suspicions dont land on you, or suspicion has already landed on a scum friend of yours that you dont want (hence wanting to stay in RVS), and since I personally believe Susa is cleared as town, then that leaves Xiivi I suppose.

 

[Bowser King]

This was the first, and one of the only things that really stood out to me that I didn't like. I understand the point of RVS, but don't see any reason to pro long it. Do you really think we're going to get much out of it? It's random. If people are going to slip up just from random votes, they need to chill and learn some self control. I would think most people here can handle that if they want to play effectively as scum. Even though the Susa Xiivi thing was a pain in the ass to read, it's fairly good for the game imo since it really got things going with legitimate conversation going on, and not just "lol i vote you" "wth i vote you" "whats your favorite color" "yellow" "wtf i hate yellow; vote: you" "bla bla bla." Not to mention why would you specifically want to pro long the RVS stage. The only thing I can see coming from that is to randomly keep suspicion off of you and hope it lands on someone else. This could either mean that your scum wanting to make sure suspicions dont land on you, or suspicion has already landed on a scum friend of yours that you dont want (hence wanting to stay in RVS), and since I personally believe Susa is cleared as town, then that leaves Xiivi I suppose.

I only said it sucked it ended so fast because it would have been nice to have more people talking then 2 people. That way we might get a discussion that basically led to very little info.

Also, why do you believe SuSa is cleared as town? He hasn't done anything to show that other then by nooby. I can see why you would say that that's a good reason (along with his vote for himself) to why he isn't mafia but he definitely isn't cleared in my eyes...

 

[CT Chia]

It seems that you completely missed my reason for thinking Susa was cleared:

"The fact that he didn't think mafia people knew each other till N1 is a big thing."

He said he didn't think mafia knew each other from the get go with the pm and thought they find out who each other are during night 1. If he was mafia, he woulda known his scum buddies already.

Why does it have to be RVS though? It would have been nice if it was more than 2 people talking, but why does that mean the RVS should continue? Other people are free to talk by all means. I came into the game finally and not with random voting, but by discussing some points avbout susa v xiivi and other comments on players. Did I need to result to random voting? Sure didn't. Better reason please.

 

[Steel]

2nd Vote Count

airgemini (1) - Chaco
SuSa (3) - Xiivi, SuSa
Xiivi (1) - Crimson King

Not voting (8): Vyse, airgemini, bowser king, Kataefi, ChiboSempai, -Hilt-, Marc, Tom

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

 

[Bowser King]

It seems that you completely missed my reason for thinking Susa was cleared:

"The fact that he didn't think mafia people knew each other till N1 is a big thing."

He said he didn't think mafia knew each other from the get go with the pm and thought they find out who each other are during night 1. If he was mafia, he woulda known his scum buddies already.

I guess that is a good reason to think he might not be mafia...

Why does it have to be RVS though? It would have been nice if it was more than 2 people talking, but why does that mean the RVS should continue? Other people are free to talk by all means. I came into the game finally and not with random voting, but by discussing some points avbout susa v xiivi and other comments on players. Did I need to result to random voting? Sure didn't. Better reason please.

I never said it should continue or that we should prolong it. I just said that it ended to fast with everything speeding up before we could get things going.

Your taking things the completely wrong way. I never mentioned making it go longer. If you read it again its actually more of a "oh well" kind of thing.

 

[Chaco]

I feel it's high time to take my random vote off of Air.

Unvote

 

[Chaco]

2nd Vote Count

airgemini (1) - Chaco
SuSa (3) - Xiivi, SuSa
Xiivi (1) - Crimson King

Not voting (8): Vyse, airgemini, bowser king, Kataefi, ChiboSempai, -Hilt-, Marc, Tom

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

@Steel: Is this vote count correct?

 

[Steel]

It's correct.

 

[Chaco]

Alright, thank you.