Cort
Apple Head
This should most certainly be stickied, I'm tired of people asking questions on DI >_<
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A Guide to DI, Smash DI, C-stick DI, Teching and Crouch Cancelling --- Updated
- Thread starter Doraki
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SCOTU
Smash Hero
agree w/ cort. Tired of linking ppl to this thread. in fact, it should be stickied in every forum in SSBM.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Why have the mods not stickied this yet?
TheGeneral
Smash Journeyman
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Meh, quit your complaining and get back to answering questions Cort!
P.S. What is DI and how do I do it?
P.P.S. Just kidding.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Where are the mods when you need them? This thread is too good to be lost in the abyss.
Someone probably already ask this but i dont feel like searching for it. When edge teching do u push L during the hit lag or before, cause i hear both and i have been having trouble finding the answer. Oh and i think you mention this in the guide but i just want to be sure if you that you dont have to push L or R all the way day to tech?
btw great guide helped alot
btw great guide helped alot
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
If you actually bothered reading the guide, all your questions would be answered.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
IShotLazer
Smash Journeyman
godly work that still helps people out today.
MacDaddySonic
Smash Rookie
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Is this a thread on teaching people how to play or a drama thread? Angry people.
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
What is this post about? Spam much?
thumbswayup
Smash Master
thats some useful info. i have terrible DI, but now i know how to practice. thanks
How would u practice DI and edge teching
thumbswayup
Smash Master
edge teching is easy. i always could do that. just try it everytime you get spiked or down smashed by the ledge. as for DI, i'll practice it whenever i get thrown or hit in any direction.
igotHYRULEbannedatTOYWIZwitmarth
Smash Apprentice
this needs a frekn sticky
I'm actually surprised that such a good guide isn't stickied. Is there a better one somewhere?
straight8
Banned via Warnings
subscribing cause it's not sticky..
I've tried to edge tech, but I don'tknow how to consistently or without luck.
I've tried to edge tech, but I don'tknow how to consistently or without luck.
Haruno Kotetsu
Smash Ace
Thank God i know more about this. Getting mashed by Fox with Bowser isn't fun at all.
thumbswayup
Smash Master
it's pretty simple. the moment you get spiked or down smashed by the ledge press L while you hold the control sitck in the direction of the stage (have it held before you tech to make things easier). its completely different when falco spikes you though. theres a slight delay that throws off this easy technique because falco spikes you when youre slightly above the edge, whereas falcon will typically spike you right when you make contact with the stage.
Ademisk
Smash Champion
I just have one question. So, you can DI, and then ASDI, so let's say you get hit straight horizonally, and you DI straight up, would it be better to ASDI up, or at an angle, like up to the right/left? Or down?
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
Chronologically (as well as in effect) it's:
SDI>ASDI>DI
Depending on how you want to move, DI accordingly. You can double stick tech sometimes, but it's usually only useful if you have enough time to set it up, so during high lag moves (fsmashes that you know will be punished, rests, laggy recoveries). Here's a good video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei-iOIN32i4
Most of the time, though, your reactions will just barely be fast enough to ASDI, and since you want to get the most out of your normal DI, you shouldn't rely on ASDI unless you can do it consistently enough. Just DI up and towards the stage for surviving most moves.
Here's a good guide on what DI to use on what moves:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=66030
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
People really need to read this more. It'd be great if this were stickied or something.
I can't believe how much effort has been put into compiling all the various techniques in the game in order to help us all out. It's really inspiring and it's so great to see so many people passionate about Smash! Unfortunately I just can't take in all this stuff...it's all too much! I think I'll be forever refraining from competitive smash...
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
^^Dude, just take it one step at a time. All you really to know right off the bat is that holding directly towards the stage is not the best idea. Instead, try holding up and towards the stage when you get hit (mostly up) so that you live longer. You can come back for the other stuff like double stick teching and SDI much later, as they're not as important. Baby steps.
Yeah I guess, but everywhere I turn I see more and more things that turn me on my head lol. I'm like the definition of Noob going by most posts. Thinking Roy was better than Marth? Check. Thinking Mewtwo was one of the better characters? Check. Hawhaw! Oh well...
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Well, we didn't exactly discover these things overnight either. It took years for the competative scene to evolve (heck, it's still evolving now), but people new to the competative scene can use the information we've already gathered as a sort of spring board. You improve a lot faster if you have a better base supporting you.
I have read this many time and I'm mainly concered with DIing with the c stick to survive off the ledge-
If I was hit to the LEFT of the course I would as soon as possible point the c-stick towards the course and the control stick perpendicular upwards to my trajectery? If that is correct then I beleive I understand it, and thank you so much for the help.
If I was hit to the LEFT of the course I would as soon as possible point the c-stick towards the course and the control stick perpendicular upwards to my trajectery? If that is correct then I beleive I understand it, and thank you so much for the help.
miller483
Smash Ace
Wait, so you're telling me this ISN'T stickied yet?
Anyway yeah, it's a great guide. This will make practicing DI a lot easier.
Anyway yeah, it's a great guide. This will make practicing DI a lot easier.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Yes, that's correct.
And this is one of the most informative threads on smashboards and it's not stickied?!
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
C-stick DI just lets you ASDI in one direction while still being able to apply whatever normal DI you want. It's pretty helpfull, but not completely neccessary.
okiyama
Smash Ace
So using Smash DI after those few frames of hitlag will have affect at all? In other words for most moves SDI needs near frame perfection?
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
SDI only works during the hit lag. For instance, when you get hit by Samus's charge shot there are 18 frames of hit lag before your character is actually sent flying anywhere. During any of the first 17 frames (the last frame is for ASDI and Normal DI only) you can tap the control stick in a direction to SDI in that direction. So no, trying to SDI after the hitlag has no effect. And you don't exactly need frame perfection to SDI most moves, because of the nice quarter circle DI mentioned on the first page. However, you do need to be anticipating the move to have any chance whatsoever of SDIing it, because reflex alone is not fast enough (unless you've trained yourself to be extremely reflexive by playing an extremely reflex taxing game like Guilty Gear.)
C-stick DI is exactly the same as ASDI. All the c-stick does is override the control stick input for ASDI, so you can have the control stick and c-stick pointed in different directions, and the game will use the C-stick for ASDI instead of the control stick. The normal DI, which is completely seperate from ASDI will still be read of the control stick.
So yes, it will help you live longer.
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
How is it even possible that you can get instant ground techs by ccing a move and teching? I mean, don't you hit the ground the frame after the hitlag, so there would be no time to press L/R? Since you can't tech by pressing L/R during hitlag, and you hit the ground right after, how is that even possible?
I know it works, somehow, I've done it myself, it just seems to defy the laws of teching.
I know it works, somehow, I've done it myself, it just seems to defy the laws of teching.
Doraki
Smash Lord
The laws of teching never said that you have to press L after being hit.
They only say that you have to press L before slamming into a wall.
They only say that you have to press L before slamming into a wall.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
^^So basically it doesn't really matter when you get hit. All that really matters is if you hit L within 20 frames of hitting a techable surface.
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
I know, but they say I can't press L during hitlag. If I press L before hitlag/getting hit, I get a shield/powershield, though.
Magus420
Smash Master
If you can shield it... why would you want to instead tech it in the first place?