3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[KuroganeHammer]

So, is it finally fine for me to update? I mean, surely Thinkaman and the other people who have 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 can take care of it? Plus datamining?

The thing is, I'd really like to play Online etc. but I've been hesitant to update because I wanted to help look for changes. Am I still needed for this?

go for it! the patch notes are pretty much done

the only things we're looking for now are glitches that may have been patched out

I'm up to Robin with the notes, gonna take a break for now

 

[GreenFlame]

go for it! the patch notes are pretty much done

the only things we're looking for now are glitches that may have been patched out

I'm up to Robin with the notes, gonna take a break for now

Okay, great.

Good luck everyone! (And by the way, none of this would even be necessary if Nintendo would just release patch notes)

Updating in 10 minutes, unless anyone has any final requests for character or move differences for me.

 

[sc458]

I haven't been able to check all the posts, has there been no changes for Captain Falcon?

 

[Toon612Link]

Who the hell ever gets hit by macs jolt haymaker?

 

[Zyrac]

I think some people are severely underestimating the ability to play Smash out of their pocket. That is huge to me, I just hope they update it to have more functionality with the Wii U version (why trophies and custom moves can't constantly be uploaded is beyond me).When you used your money to purchase that $40+tax video game for a portable system, knowing that you would pay another $60+tax for a game that would knowingly be superior in terms of content, I do not know what was to be expected. The only thing I could hope for was for more connectivity. I would love to grind for gear, moves, and trophies when I am waiting on a train, then just transfer it to my Wii U version.

Erm, you can transfer custom setups between versions, can't you? Which means you can grind for equipment on the train. As for trophies, those are different between versions, and besides, you need some incentive to play solo on Wii U.
I do agree with you on portability. I'm sure some people rarely play their 3DS outside the house, but it's very important to me. If anyone bought the 3DS version of the game purely because it came out first, that's on them.

 

[GreenFlame]

Mmkay, updating now, y'all have good luck confirming the rest of the changes. See ya on the other side!

*cries* *dramatic sad piano music plays, as I tap on "Update" in dramatic slow-motion*

 

[dean.]

I'm pretty sure custom specials are in those data files, although maybe not all of them.

I was able to find all instances/customs of shieldbreaker on Marth, including one of them having an aerial instance.
But they only cover the 'release' of the charge, not the charging part itself (which is like an 11 frame animation).

I'm not going to try to decrypt/find dancing blade or variations there of in there, but I believe some/a lot are. Found Dolphin Slash / Crescent Slash too.

Actually you're right, when I have a good look through Dedede's data I can see some data that matches up very well with his custom moves.

So why isn't there a damage change identified for uncharged Armoured Jet Hammer, which I'm pretty sure has gone up from 8% to 9% in 1.0.4? Well when I look through the data it seems that there are many entries for uncharged Jet Hammer and its custom variants in the range game_2AE to game_2F0 (edit: 2AE through to 2B0 might actually be Dedede Jump landings, but the others should be good), some of which have different damage values. I take it that some other part of the code was changed so that when 'uncharged Armoured Jet Hammer' is called, one of those different variants are used instead.
Could well be wrong though, I have no experience in programming.

Never mind.

 

[X1Type1]

Uh I can still hit people with Luma while being grabbed, so idk about that can't control Luma under certain instances clause. Also has anyone else noticed a slight overall increase in gameplay speed? Feels faster. I know some characters got faster, but the game overall definelty feels faster to me.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

guys

the luma cant hit people when rosalina's being thrown

 

[GUIGUI]

Is normal Samus unchanged? I see no info about her.

 

[BanchoBowser]

Bowser's Down B ledge grab doesn't work anymore.
Always when i down B'd next to the ledge i could still save myself by hanging on to the ledge. Now i can't even get close to doing that anymore.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Is normal Samus unchanged? I see no info about her.

hmm i wonder what that could mean?

Bowser's Down B ledge grab doesn't work anymore.
Always when i down B'd next to the ledge i could still save myself by hanging on to the ledge. Now i can't even get close to doing that anymore.

i can do it

 

[~ Gheb ~]

For the OP: Wario's Bike glitch has been removed as well. I was unable to reproduce it after the update.

@ KuroganeHammer @Thinkaman

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I don't know if it's always been there or not, but I noticed this morning that Mac's KO Punch has super armor for a very short amount of time. The punch hitbox is out on Frame 9, and it seems to have armor at least a frame or two beforehand (which can be tested via Proximity Mine spacing). Anyone with 1.03 want to test that?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

@ KuroganeHammer @Thinkaman

more info? what glitch is this?

I don't know if it's always been there or not, but I noticed this morning that Mac's KO Punch has super armor for a very short amount of time. The punch hitbox is out on Frame 9, and it seems to have armor at least a frame or two beforehand (which can be tested via Proximity Mine spacing). Anyone with 1.03 want to test that?

KO punch is unchanged

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Destroying the bike while it moves would have Wario occasionally take damage and knockback even if he's not on it. Wario could jump off the moving bike and get hit from the other end of the stage through that glitch. It's gone now though. I've never managed to pull it off anymore.

 

[Locke 06]

http://smashboards.com/threads/comm...ne-changes-to-di.378404/page-48#post-18019702

Just going to bring this up, since it seems like it was lost in the middle of the vectoring discussion and not added to the OP. Mega Man change log.

 

[Chakra-X]

Erm, you can transfer custom setups between versions, can't you? Which means you can grind for equipment on the train. As for trophies, those are different between versions, and besides, you need some incentive to play solo on Wii U.
I do agree with you on portability. I'm sure some people rarely play their 3DS outside the house, but it's very important to me. If anyone bought the 3DS version of the game purely because it came out first, that's on them.

You kind of can? Like let's say I wanted to play with my Sonic who has a few custom specials, I could absolutely import him in to my Wii U version, but consider this a "read-only" custom character. I can not edit the moves in the Wii U version, no one else can configure their sonic differently unless they import their own Sonic with customs already equipped.This just means that importing allows me to use the customs on that character, but those moves aren't "unlocked" yet. That means if I decide to switch between Shulk's Power Vision and Dash Vision every few matches, I have to re import from my 3DS every time, or I guess make different variance of Shulk from the beginning and import them in to the Wii U version.As far as trophies though, I believe none of that carries over unless I am mistaken

 

[Nat Goméz]

I don't know if it's always been there or not, but I noticed this morning that Mac's KO Punch has super armor for a very short amount of time. The punch hitbox is out on Frame 9, and it seems to have armor at least a frame or two beforehand (which can be tested via Proximity Mine spacing). Anyone with 1.03 want to test that?

Wow Reflex I'm impressed, Really nice find. I can confirm that KO punch has super armor now. I can't post a gif but i surely can post a few photos. (Might not be the best quality though)

Ko punched The Blast Box and survived in around 120%. And I'm pretty sure this move didn't had armor before.

Now I don't now in what exact frames the super armor starts but I'm sure is already activated when the punch hitbox is out.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

http://smashboards.com/threads/comm...ne-changes-to-di.378404/page-48#post-18019702

Just going to bring this up, since it seems like it was lost in the middle of the vectoring discussion and not added to the OP. Mega Man change log.

it wasnt added because it's basically all placebo

There's like, 5 things there that haven't been changed and 2 things that we have in the OP already

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Wow Reflex I'm impressed, Really nice find. I can confirm that KO punch has super armor now. I can't post a gif but i surely can post a few photos. (Might not be the best quality though)

Ko punched The Blast Box and survived in around 120%. And I'm pretty sure this move didn't had armor before.

Now I don't now in what exact frames the super armor starts but I'm sure is already activated when the punch hitbox is out.

hey

hey you

be impressed with me


because ko punch was unchanged

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I think I have confirmed that 3DS V 1.0.4 version and Wii U aren't the same. Down throw turnip on an opponent sends them backward in 3DS, but forwards in Wii U.

 

[Nat Goméz]

hey

hey you

be impressed with me


because ko punch was unchanged

Ok then.

Edit: @ KuroganeHammer Just to say I would of understood you better if you said that it always had super armor, because I can (almost) say that none of us in the Little Mac boards knew it had any armor whatsoever. And I just can remember being hit out of it, but if it was always there that's cool.

 

[Locke 06]

it wasnt added because it's basically all placebo

There's like, 5 things there that haven't been changed and 2 things that we have in the OP already

Fsmash damage was always 11.5% & 19.5%?
Also, the BAir kill % was tested to be different on multiple accounts... Although now that I think about it, that could be due to the change in DI/physics mechanics. The BAir spike is also nonexistent.

We did quite a bit of testing and unconfirmed a lot of placebo hypotheses, so I'd like to think those 3 things are true. If you say those things are unchanged from the previous version, then I guess our 1.0.3 testing was pretty bad, because they are there in 1.0.4.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

then I guess our 1.0.3 testing was pretty bad, because they are there in 1.0.4.

most likely the case imo

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think I have confirmed that 3DS V 1.0.4 version and Wii U aren't the same.

I'm pretty sure that's true. If you watch Vex vs Dapuffster on CTs Youtube Channel you'll see that Vex pulls off the dthrow -> fair combo with DDD - something that's not supposed to work that way anymore.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Going to a tournament will update op at tournament

 

[Phoenix Lord']

So R.O.B.'s unchanged, right? He's not in the OP, but I just want to make sure you guys didn't, like, forget about him or something. I'm asking for a whiny friend.

 

[DanGR]

Ike's dtilt has way more cooldown in the wii-u version as well. There's definitely differences.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Ike's dtilt has way more cooldown in the wii-u version as well. There's definitely differences.

Did you test it with the 3DS at the same time? It still felt fast to me but I didn't test it that far. Still hits upwards as well.

 

[DanGR]

Did you test it with the 3DS at the same time? It still felt fast to me but I didn't test it that far. Still hits upwards as well.

Mmm, no I didn't test it side by side. It was just very clearly much slower in the wii-u version IMO, but I could be wrong. I'll test it later tonight side by side and tag you in a post with the results. I hate to spread misinformation.

 

[peNNy]

I dont know if it is just me, but it kind of feels like the time between Marth's (and so may be lucinas) 2 jabs may be shortened.. could someone test it for me?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I dont know if it is just me, but it kind of feels like the time between Marth's (and so may be lucinas) 2 jabs may be shortended.. could someone test it for me?

It's just you

 

[Moydow]

I dont know if it is just me, but it kind of feels like the time between Marth's (and so may be lucinas) 2 jabs may be shortended.. could someone test it for me?

Lucina's jab has less knockback, otherwise they're the same as before.

 

[peNNy]

at least i know now thanks tho <3

 

[DblCrest]

Has there been any changes to Megaman's special moves like metal blade ? Metalblade seems to end up in the ground if you shield against it for you to pick up. Seems to happen a lot and I've never noticed. Has that always been a thing or has the chance of it bouncing off a shield and sticking to ground increased?

 

[FimPhym]

I'm pretty sure that's true. If you watch Vex vs Dapuffster on CTs Youtube Channel you'll see that Vex pulls off the dthrow -> fair combo with DDD - something that's not supposed to work that way anymore.

What percents is this happening at? At up to about 40% vs everyone you can still down throw into fair. They get knocked up at a good height for it, but depending on DI or character neutral air is sometimes better. It isn't until a little later that you are forced to down throw to up air.

Edit: I checked out the videos since vex is great, and wow that down throw trajectory lead to fair even at above 80%. I'd like to see more than two down throws but this is possibly a good catch. I am hyper cautious of the placebo effect after reading this thread lol

 

[dean.]

I saw the video. The dthrow was definitely 1.0.3 dthrow trajectory. His fair was also doing 1.0.3 damage.

 

[Meloetta Star]

Villager's FAir and BAir arent buffed in damage.

The furthest hit is still 2.5% (FAir) and 3% (BAir). I posted the results (text only, but another member confirmed my results a few pages later) in an earlier post.

Whether or not they changed how far along the pellet has to fly to be considered "Mid" range for the 4%/5% on each is another story, which COULD be why it was initially thought to be a buff to long range pellets.

Edit: Reposting this since it hasn't been fixed in the front page yet ;A;

 

[SamuraiPanda]

I did stuff to the OP!