SaltyKracka
Smash Lord
If they are while dying in hitstun, it's because of ****ty programming. Otherwise, I'd imagine they just have a better chance of slowing down and recovering.
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3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI
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Horizontal deceleration (weaving acceleration) and vertical acceleration are both numbers that exist in the game and which effect kill percent, just very very very lightly for the most part.
Vertical acceleration was a pretty heavy factor to survival in Melee - Falco was the 'heaviest' vertical survivor yet due to low weight died horizontally just like any other featherweight.
Vertical acceleration was a pretty heavy factor to survival in Melee - Falco was the 'heaviest' vertical survivor yet due to low weight died horizontally just like any other featherweight.
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ItsRainingGravy
Smash Ace
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait hold up.
So you're telling me if I hold left on the left side of the flipper, I'll survive longer. But if I hold right on the left side of the bumper, I'll die earlier?
Edit: nvm this isn't the case. Still weird though.
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Jaxas
Smash Champion
All right, so what all do we know so far?
I know that...
- Vertical hits don't let you VI
- Horizontal hits may have some sort of a mix of VI and DI
Is that correct?
And can we get a list of what we know (and what we think we know, separately) so we know what to test specifically?
I know that...
- Vertical hits don't let you VI
- Horizontal hits may have some sort of a mix of VI and DI
Is that correct?
And can we get a list of what we know (and what we think we know, separately) so we know what to test specifically?
Tagxy
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Speculation time:
DI was already in the game
VI wasnt intended to be in the game
Patch removed verticle VI, but neglected to remove it horizontally
Non speculation for those unaware, horizontal vectoring worked the same way in 1.02, most people just never bothered to look it up. Holding left and right already did nothing in terms of vectoring but did lead to DI. Holding up and down increased and decreased knockback on the horizontal plane respectively and also lead to DI vertically. And of course, up and down also increased and decreased knockback vertically.
DI was already in the game
VI wasnt intended to be in the game
Patch removed verticle VI, but neglected to remove it horizontally
Non speculation for those unaware, horizontal vectoring worked the same way in 1.02, most people just never bothered to look it up. Holding left and right already did nothing in terms of vectoring but did lead to DI. Holding up and down increased and decreased knockback on the horizontal plane respectively and also lead to DI vertically. And of course, up and down also increased and decreased knockback vertically.
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User52
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But DI was added, which takes more skill than VI. And rage doesn't reward bad players, it rewards survivors. AND DI means people won't survive as long. Which means rage, in practice, may have been nerfed.So the one mechanic that rewards the more skillful player with better reaction times and anticipaition skills - VI - has been removed whereas the other mechanic that rewards the less skillful player in a match - rage - has been left in the game.
I'm not pleased by this.
I just tested this and I got different results. The kb you get is probably based on holding up or down. Holding down I got 52 kb. Neutral/Left/Right I got 56 kb. It is hard to get it perfectly aligned with a direction on the 3DS pad though so this needs confirmation.
Okay so based on everything discovered until now.
-Vectoring is gone for vertical launching moves
-Such moves are only influenced by DI
-For horizontal moves (maybe Sakurai angle only?) there is DI and vectoring
-For such moves holding up increases knockback and holding down decreases knockback
-These moves are also affected by DI, which can make things confusing for survival (lower kb + lower angle vs. higher kb + higher angle)
What needs to be tested.
-What are the criteria for having this weird vectoring behavior?
-Is the degree to which kb is amplified by constant?
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erico9001
You must find your own path to the future.
The video finds that holding up actually worsened your survivability
Yea, it's confusing, but in order to find the correct answer we must head in the direction that our data sends us. This is science, lol.
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Captain Norris
Smash Lord
Vectoring... removed? Huh. I guess they had to to fix Wario or something?
SonicZeroX
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Having DI back is the single best change I could've wished for. Please hold true.
Captain Norris
Smash Lord
true... I never knew much about vectoring besides the simple inputs, but this should definitely help with Captain Falcon players.
Cowhunter
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Wouldn't it be consistent with the data to say that there is both Vectoring and DI? When looking at the video posted earlier it seems that both a vector is being added in the desired direction as well as the angle being increased or decreased in the same direction. Meanwhile holding directly against or with the momentum would only incur a vector in that direction. The only thing I'm having trouble with is why the launch speed would be increased or decreased based on holding up or down.
You need to make a thread about this or something. I think you're right.
So essentially the only thing that has changed is that vectoring no longer works for vertical launch trajectories.
Nonon
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Came here to post about what seemed to be a new/changed hit in pikachu's bair when landing with it. Discovered vectoring is (at least partially?) removed. Crazy.
Anyway, Pikachu might have a new really weak hit with his bair when you land with it, the properties of the landing hit could have been altered, but I really think it's the former. Can't test it myself however. @
Thinkaman
have at it.
Anyway, Pikachu might have a new really weak hit with his bair when you land with it, the properties of the landing hit could have been altered, but I really think it's the former. Can't test it myself however. @
Thinkaman
have at it.
Naw, we'll wait for based @Dantarion to finish taking a dump. This is the best way to resolve any such small details.Came here to post about what seemed to be a new/changed hit in pikachu's bair when landing with it. Discovered vectoring is (at least partially?) removed. Crazy.
Anyway, Pikachu might have a new really weak hit with his bair when you land with it, the properties of the landing hit could have been altered, but I really think it's the former. Can't test it myself however. @
Pikabunz
Smash Hero
The title shouldn't say "vectoring removed". It's obviously still there in a way and it's gonna confuse a lot of people. There's still lots of testing to do on this.
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Captain Norris
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LancerStaff
Smash Hero
All the same as before.
Plain Yogurt
Smash Ace
Hey I know we're all excited about the DI/Vectoring changes and stuff, but if possible I'd like a comparison test for Ness done, namely how long it takes before he can act after his PK Thunder projectile hits something (NOT when he hits himself). I think it might be slightly longer before he can act but I can't be sure. Much appreciated.
SonicZeroX
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Someone is looking at the game data itself, that's why researching characters has slowed down.
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So cut
rip bowserside
rip bowserside
Gidy
Smash Lord
VECTORING GONE? MY PETITION WORKED!
http://www.change.org/p/nintendo-patch-and-remove-vectoring-in-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds
While I was indifferent at first about vectoring at first after hearing it could destroy combos, I learned what it really was and actually liked it. However, I would take actual DI over vectoring any day! LETS GO!
(also im aware that this stupid petition probably didn't even come across nintendo lol)
http://www.change.org/p/nintendo-patch-and-remove-vectoring-in-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-and-3ds
While I was indifferent at first about vectoring at first after hearing it could destroy combos, I learned what it really was and actually liked it. However, I would take actual DI over vectoring any day! LETS GO!
(also im aware that this stupid petition probably didn't even come across nintendo lol)
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We don't have time to deal with your BS impressions of changes that are...
Totally correct. Confirmed.
BCE
Smash Rookie
i still dont downloaded the patch, this means that when the red lighting appears from a attack, is 100% accurate that the dude was killed this time ?
Captain Norris
Smash Lord
is it harder to get out of Yoshi's egg now? Or am I gust having trouble?
Probably the latter, only change for his neutral B was tiny end lag which is barely noticeable.
Captain Norris
Smash Lord
okay. Thanks. I figured not, but online lag must be a part. I cannot freaing get out of it. Three times in a row I fell off stage an didn't break out.
Could someone please confirm whether airdodge/delux cancelling is still in or not.
wtf is a delux cancell lmao
He's going to be super mad XD. At me.
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The AC frame happening post IASA of airdodge either seems to have been removed or reduced.
And Delux only trolls about the name, he didn't even discover it, its an in-joke that fools the uninitiated community into thinking we actually named it that. I think at this stage, maybe the jokes gotten old, quoth the Aeroraven.
And Delux only trolls about the name, he didn't even discover it, its an in-joke that fools the uninitiated community into thinking we actually named it that. I think at this stage, maybe the jokes gotten old, quoth the Aeroraven.
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Air dodges no longer have an AC time that is (non-trivially) after their IASA time, so it isn't really a thing.
LancerStaff
Smash Hero
Pretty sure that's the placebo takling. I survived a ton of KO lightning hits because of DI/VI/wumboing yesterday .
Well, I can't short hop rising air dodge without landing lag on Falco, I still need to AC with an aerial.
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