3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[Virgule]

Thanks for the quick clarification !

 

[SamuraiPanda]

I'm spent. I'll be back in a little bit.

I might even open my shiny new copy of bayonetta 2!

 

[Thinkaman]

so were Marth and Lucina's Spikes buffed, or just Marth's? Cause that would differentiate them.

No one's spike was buffed.

 

[Captain Norris]

No one's spike was buffed.

Oh I apologize. I heard Marth's Spike was easier to land in the patch, but thanks for clearing that up

 

[LordFluffy]

so were Marth and Lucina's Spikes buffed, or just Marth's? Cause that would differentiate them.

I've tested both and have not seen any noticeable Difference in the sweet spot size. of either character. so no the spikes were not buffed

 

[---]

Through testing (FD Pac Maze/Center/Default Mii) it seems that the only change to Mega Man's knockback is that B-Air now kills about 5% earlier, ~150%>155%

Still double double checking everything but so far this seems to be the only/major change on his regular attacks that we've seen some consensus on.

 

[Shaya]

If there were any changes to Marth this patch I'm 90% certain it isn't frame data or % damage related, all of those seem the same and I have previous frame data to compare to.

Knockback angles/etc could be slightly different, but who knows, it isn't obvious by any reliable means and who can be bothered to check?
Such things I'm happy to wait for @ Dantarion for.

 

[Conda]

To be more precise with the f-air buff
http://gfycat.com/AromaticFarAlligatorgar



It still whiffs against jumping opponents (both forward and up-angled)

It fully connects against light characters because of the zero knockback people were talking about

Edit: Oh wait. I got one to connect against a mid air puff. OKAY, now they're all connecting.

I don't know what I did wrong at first but all the angled f-smashes I did against jumping puff and mario are connecting. Maybe there's a specific point where it won't hit. Not sure. Needs more testing

In that gif, the two attacks aren't even synchronized. One starts before the other. 1.04, to be exact.

 

[Sonsa]

Wow, you're all great! Didn't expect this much info or this many changes! Seems like a brand new game. Shulk sounds significantly better and good to know the Villager didn't get any extreme nerfs...yet. Sorry I'm not a great help, I'll update now and see if I notice anything, I play a lot of Villager so I hope I can be observant enough to notice something and help out. Otherwise will all this already be applied to the Wii U version or will they have an update before the game comes out to reduce traffic and have us start playing ASAP?

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Now I'm wondering why they removed it since DACUS doesn't break the game in anyway if everyone can perform it and take advantage from it. It's not like Character X has a wonky hitbox or a move that's too powerful or too fast to react or too spammy.

NOT everyone can though, in the end it's an exploit of what is presumably a window put in to make usmashing from a run easier on casuals that has the unintended side effect of carrying momentum from dash attacks. Unless they specifically patched it into 1.0.4 making 1.0.4 different from Wii U (which it's not, and honestly I don't care enough with a community this stubborn if i had to test), it is GONE.

The why doesn't really matter, and honestly we all know that it's to prevent any kind of techskill barrier, which sakurai doesn't want this game to have.

 

[DarkKiru]

Now I'm wondering why they removed it since DACUS doesn't break the game in anyway if everyone can perform it and take advantage from it. It's not like Character X has a wonky hitbox or a move that's too powerful or too fast to react or too spammy.

My best guess is just that it didn't sit well with them during playtesting, some people have infinitely superior dacus's to others, maybe they thought that was unfair, who knows.

That said the better question is why was it in brawl, and THEN the original 3ds version, surely they must have known about it?

Off Topic: have we made any significant progress since I was last here 2 and a half hours ago?

 

[LunarWingCloud]

Pikachu buffs yesssss.

Also Meta Knight buffs are welcome.

Ike buffs are awesome,

 

[Berserker.]

In that gif, the two attacks aren't even synchronized. One starts before the other. 1.04, to be exact.

http://giant.gfycat.com/FaroffVibrantAsiantrumpetfish.gif

Use this GIF instead then. (Edit) This one's exact

 

[Flamecircle]

In that gif, the two attacks aren't even synchronized. One starts before the other. 1.04, to be exact.

same landing time and lag, though.

Was falco's jab really nerfed in damage?

 

[akasheo]

i did this over and over at 1/4 speed (L) . i swear i spot the difference, but eh, ill take Thinkaman and shayas word on this.

 

[Captain Norris]

I got a quick question. Has Link's grounded up b been buffed in damage or knockback?

 

[Xandsuken]

I believe Falco's Dair executes faster and his Fair damage was increased from 6 or 7% to 9%

 

[Conda]

same landing time and lag, though.

Yeah, that's my point.

 

[InfinityCollision]

Now I'm wondering why they removed it since DACUS doesn't break the game in anyway if everyone can perform it and take advantage from it. It's not like Character X has a wonky hitbox or a move that's too powerful or too fast to react or too spammy.

Most characters actually didn't get anything meaningful out of it. Very few characters (about 12 iirc) have the right properties (most notably high momentum on their dash attack's startup frames, low friction also helps) to get a good DACUS, so most just stick to running or JC usmashes. ZSS for example? Her DACUS went just as far as a running usmash, no farther. When I looked closely I saw why: the momentum boost on her dash attack is delayed by several frames, she does a fancy little turnaround before launching into the attack.

 

[Thinkaman]

Just tested my 1.0.4 alongside my brother's 1.0.3. I tested Greninja, Falco, and Mario. These were all tested on Mario:

- Greninja's Shadow Sneak now does 12% instead of 10% Nope, it always did 12% if you charged it.
- Falco's twirling attack when you hold A now does 1/2% per hit instead of 1% per hit. Nope, always was 0.5%.
- Falco's finisher now does 3% instead of 5%. Nope, always was 3%.
- I don't know if all the hits are connecting, but the most damage I can get with Falco's Fire Bird is 21% instead of 31%. Fire Bird does 16% with all hits afaik. Unchanged.
- Mario's Down Smash now does 14% instead of 13.98% when sourspot is fully charged. Sweetspot is the same. I got 14% in 1.0.3.
- Mario's F-Air now does 12% when sourspotted instead of 10%. Sweetspot is the same. Nope, always did 12%
- Mario's Fireball now does 4% from far away. Still does 5% up close though. Nope, always did 4% from a distance; many projectiles work this way.
- Mario's Cape now does 7% instead of 4%. Nope, always did 7%.
- Mario Finale now does 32% instead of 31%. Nope, it's multi-hit, the damage naturally varies.

Please get this signed by a parent and see me after class.

 

[Shaya]

i did this over and over at 1/4 speed (L) . i swear i spot the difference, but eh, ill take Thinkaman and shayas word on this.

Well, there's still the 0.00001% chance that Marth/Lucina's sword got increased in size by a few pixels, but I wouldn't want to derail anything with CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

http://i.imgur.com/zhp3bfv.png

 

[Ffamran]

Please get this signed by a parent and see me after class.

What if @Spiderfog is a college, graduate student, or some random worker? Parents don't rule over Spiderfog anymore.

Well, there's still the 1% chance that Marth/Lucina's sword got increased in size by a few pixels, but I wouldn't want to derail anything with CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

http://i.imgur.com/zhp3bfv.png

Magic. Let's just call it magic that increases sword range. Say it with me now: MAGIC.

 

[Rojo Espada]

Yeah, that was shenanigans. It's like the claw was just a ghost-hand-thing.

Totally.
The amount of wtfs I uttered was ridiculous.

 

[Crven]

I got a quick question. Has Link's grounded up b been buffed in damage or knockback?

Damage does the same. Knockback seems identical. Kills at the same percent.

 

[LordFluffy]

I got a quick question. Has Link's grounded up b been buffed in damage or knockback?

Damage and knockback are identical. no change there.

 

[SSBBDaisy]

I hate this patch...... This game has become not fun for me anymore. Back to Brawl and Melee I go.

 

[Shaya]

Magic. Let's just call it magic that increases sword range. Say it with me now: MAGIC.

Don't quote me without taking into consideration my edits!! GRRR
"MAGIC"

Further proof Marcina has a longer sword now, in proper and easy to compare to image scale:

 

[Rojo Espada]

I hate this patch...... This game has become not fun for me anymore. Back to Brawl and Melee I go.

Oh come now. That's a little much don't you think?

 

[Crescent_Sun]

I hate this patch...... This game has become not fun for me anymore. Back to Brawl and Melee I go.

I can't even imagine what happened that so drastically affected your experience, especially for the like, less than a day its been out. Sorry you feel that way anyway.

 

[Ffamran]

I hate this patch...... This game has become not fun for me anymore. Back to Brawl and Melee I go.

What if the next patch is better. Will... Will you return to us?

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

i know i mentioned it earlier but just to reiterate incase is was over looked by some, sonic, megaman and game and watch have been confirmed to no longer lose the abiity to reuse their up b after getting grabbed out of there up b.

 

[The 0ne]

I think Ness's dair might come out faster, but i haven't tested it and it might be wishful thinking.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

marth's sword does seem slightly longer, but the hitbox doesn't seem to match the blade. I don't have the ability to test side-by-side with 1.03 though.

Also Falco's DAir doesn't seem to be faster at all, unless it's a very, very tiny change. Though I'm not surprised people are saying it's faster, people were saying the same with 1.03 AND 1.02 when it was unchanged.

 

[TheKingOfThings]

Olimar's Dair has been sped up. It can be SH canceled but if you slam into the ground (take to long out of your hop to use it) the ending animation where he puts his arms out and bends down will still last like it did before. I can't confirm it for everyone but I'm very used to the old version at this point and now it's much easier to use in combat.

marth's sword does seem slightly longer, but the hitbox doesn't seem to match the blade. I don't have the ability to test side-by-side with 1.03 though.

I've been playing with Marth lately and especially been in training mode working on that tip action. I'm not sure if his sword is longer (because I haven''t checked) but I have noticed since I began training that the "tip" that gives you extra knockback doesn't seem to be exactly the tip of the sword but more infront. It's kinda weird but also helpful. Just pointing it out for entertainments sake.

 

[SuperDS64]

Did we get a test on Pacman's grab being faster?

 

[Thinkaman]

Zelda Din's and Phantom confirmed to have the same timing between versions.

 

[Dantarion]

http://i.imgur.com/5LF7aRT.png

Automated changedata is coming!
I need to fix my data dumper to properly format things for human consumption, THEN WE ARE GOOD TO GO

This screenshot illustates what I believe is this change from the OP
"- Dtilt damage increased to 8% from 7%, endlag reduced, knockback angle is more vertical"

If you look, the Damage goes from 7 to 8, the angle from 0x169 (sakurai angle) to 0x50 (80 decimal) which matches up DIRECTLY with what has been said. However, I need to work on this more, I want to be able to provide accurate changelogs for the public to sift through, so just bear with the patch for now!

http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/100To104.html
These are all of the change files between launch and 104

 

[Kidney Thief]

I wouldn't be surprised if there's less changes than people proclaim there is, the most interesting thing here is how powerful the placebo effect seems to affect people

 

[akasheo]

Well, there's still the 0.00001% chance that Marth/Lucina's sword got increased in size by a few pixels, but I wouldn't want to derail anything with CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

life is no fun without a little, conspiracy. #illuminati

 

[SSBBDaisy]

Oh come now. That's a little much don't you think?

No. They ruined my characters.

I liked these little "glitches". They are fun and I feel like it makes my character stand out. Them fixing them like Peach's ledge turnip pulls really ruins it for me. I can't surprise my opponent's from behind anymore with luma cause he returns to fast after the move and he doesn't react when rosalina first enters hitstun to any imputs I do. I'm super disappointed with this game and Sakurai. I can't believe I spent almost two years hyping myself up for this.

At least I can do special things with Peach and Olimar in Brawl, PM, and Melee. Its a shame cause I really wish Rosalina was a character in those games. I wonder what cool stuff she would have had.