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(」・ω・)」 MARS la Marf in Smash 4 (／・ω・)／
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Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
So C.falcon vs. C.falcon is a 100:0?
In Snake dittos, no one wins.
In Snake dittos, no one wins.
Saki-
Reset Project
^ This : P nice job Viet
btw what exactly are the benefits to knowing frame data?
btw what exactly are the benefits to knowing frame data?
Albert.
Smash Master
You can wreck harder.
Basically If you know "well this move has this much cool down lag and my opponent just used it. He's in lag. But my 10-frame Fsmash is too slow to hit him before his shield comes up, and then I'D be in lag and get wrecked myself. So I should choose a faster option, like Dancing Blades."
It basically all comes down to intuition though. But knowing the frame data can help in close situations, and what move/character should win out theoretically in certain frame data situations.
it's a trap neko eat moar snakes obv
also now i will have 3 more results when I search for name-dropping.
you got spotdodged the dtilt and ate a tipper dsmash
you teched into an ice car
**** nu
etc.
you can calculate frame advantages on block, effective strings, frame traps, get a grasp on the exact lag of a move, knowing what your best option to stuff out other moves is, etc.
all without ever really needing to actually pick up the controller (provided such information already exists online and IS ACCURATE).
it's a slightly more useful in other non-Brawl games since you can actually theorycraft string of moves through theory fighter then test it out. Also allows you to know you can connect certain moves you thought were once impossible to do so.
regardless, frames are important enough in any fighting game.
Albert.
Smash Master
D***itt your explanation is better xD
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Making yourself into a robot with perfect calculations.
It's more a comparison thing.
Like Marth's fair is 4 frames, mk's ftilt hits on 3, 6 and 10.
with uber pro god-like spacing, I have about a 2 frame window of aerial mobility/start up to beat the ftilt with fair.
It's risky of course, as generally the best way to deal with MK's ftilt is to SDI outside it's range between after the first/second hit to punish cooldown/last hit. Many tipper fsmashes have been had, poor meta knight.
Like Marth's fair is 4 frames, mk's ftilt hits on 3, 6 and 10.
with uber pro god-like spacing, I have about a 2 frame window of aerial mobility/start up to beat the ftilt with fair.
It's risky of course, as generally the best way to deal with MK's ftilt is to SDI outside it's range between after the first/second hit to punish cooldown/last hit. Many tipper fsmashes have been had, poor meta knight.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
If you know frame data, you know your character VERY well. This goes especially for Marth.
Steel_Samurai
Smash Journeyman
Is this actually possible?^
clowsui
Smash Legend
i'm pretty sure i've done it to you once or twice dj, but you misspaced the ftilt so idk
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
I think you mean "If you believe in the heart of the cards, anything is possible.Especially bull****ting frames."possible is anything card of hearts long as so
You'd know them BETTER if you knew the data.
There is a difference between playing a character for years and having a firm grasp of their data and playing a character for years, knowing their frame data, and having a more accurate grasp of their data.
Knowledge is power son.
There is a difference between playing a character for years and having a firm grasp of their data and playing a character for years, knowing their frame data, and having a more accurate grasp of their data.
Knowledge is power son.
∫unk
Smash Master
yeah mr r if you learn frame data you learn about punishments you ddin't think were possible
like if i powershield marth's tipper d-smash i have enough time to ddd f-smash and you can't do anything
things like that it's hard to learn through experience because its a pretty rare situation but it comes up enough where it's good to know what the appropriate reaction is
like if i powershield marth's tipper d-smash i have enough time to ddd f-smash and you can't do anything
things like that it's hard to learn through experience because its a pretty rare situation but it comes up enough where it's good to know what the appropriate reaction is
When with Brawl's 10 frames of buffering, abusing frame data isnt as hard as it is in Melee or 64 (where no one knows anything about frame data in that game.)
You know, because you can buffer an attack you know falls within the window of opportunity, frame-wise.
It's like knowing your BnBs.
You can be 100% sure which option is the best options in situations when you know frame data without having to guess and be unsure.
You know, because you can buffer an attack you know falls within the window of opportunity, frame-wise.
It's like knowing your BnBs.
You can be 100% sure which option is the best options in situations when you know frame data without having to guess and be unsure.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
From what I hear SK92 and NEO are really frame intensive.
But that's what I hear.
Not that others don't look at their frame data
generalizations suck.
But that's what I hear.
Not that others don't look at their frame data
generalizations suck.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
Hey guys about 2 weeks ago I decided I no longer wanna play Marth. sry.
My list now is:
Main: R.O.B.
Secondary: Snake
It use to be:
Main: R.O.B.
Secondary: Marth
Third: Snake
The reason for this is Marth is a very complicated character. But mostly because every time I sat down to do "Marth related things" such as watch vids to learn stuff. I would always end up doing "snake stuff". I eventually realized that I took Marth too seriously....and that Snake was more important to me (overall)
My list now is:
Main: R.O.B.
Secondary: Snake
It use to be:
Main: R.O.B.
Secondary: Marth
Third: Snake
The reason for this is Marth is a very complicated character. But mostly because every time I sat down to do "Marth related things" such as watch vids to learn stuff. I would always end up doing "snake stuff". I eventually realized that I took Marth too seriously....and that Snake was more important to me (overall)
Marth isnt that complicated.
It's just
Tipper when you need to kill. Space for everything else. Punish when you're on the ground. Up B when in doubt. And grab mix ups.
That's like as broad as you can probably sum up Marth.
It's just
Tipper when you need to kill. Space for everything else. Punish when you're on the ground. Up B when in doubt. And grab mix ups.
That's like as broad as you can probably sum up Marth.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Memorizing key frame data for your character and your common matchups works wonders. Just going through MK's moves and seeing my best punishment options for all his moves helped tremendously with that matchup.
6Mizu
Smash Champion
So wait you guys read all of my post that's all you can say?
I was expecting like questions or people being all "oh well another marth that sucks blah blah blah blah blah.
You guys have nothing to say about my decision?
I was expecting like questions or people being all "oh well another marth that sucks blah blah blah blah blah.
You guys have nothing to say about my decision?
6Mizu
Smash Champion
hmmm.....
Simple enough. I miss you Marth.
Simple enough. I miss you Marth.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Why would we say that Mizu?
And :V, I use grabs for more that just mix ups, and you forgot to put in something for DB1.
And :V, I use grabs for more that just mix ups, and you forgot to put in something for DB1.
Saki-
Reset Project
Thats enough for me,
I'll get on learning Frame data after finals, and a few days of break. Perhaps this will help me next tournament haha.
I'll get on learning Frame data after finals, and a few days of break. Perhaps this will help me next tournament haha.
∫unk
Smash Master
LOL OUR RANDOM FROM NORCAL SCRAPED EC:
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=47357
but norcal is sooo bad
he beat chaosmarth hahahahaa wtf u play mk
http://allisbrawl.com/blogpost.aspx?id=47357
but norcal is sooo bad
he beat chaosmarth hahahahaa wtf u play mk
Saki-
Reset Project
The blog isn't showing up, : P who's the norcal random?
BarDulL
Town Vampire
someone named "Nick A."