☆ Official Luigi Match-Up Thread! ☆

[luke_atyeo]

cant d3 do an infinite standing grab on weegie? if so that it'd be pretty bad, maybe 80:20 d3's favour, espcially since with d3's grab range luigi has so very little safe options.

 

[TreK]

infinites still aren't banned in the USA ?

DDD can't really kill us, at least not onstage. We have a hard time KOing him too, but being able to jab-upB him is a big plus. He dies at 80% on FD, 60-70 on Halberd. As long as you're consistent at pshielding the bair, nothing should be really difficult to overcome. We've been trying to not get grabbed for almost 1 year and a half (2 years for you guys), it shouldn't be a problem now. I fear DDD's bair more than his shield.
If you ask me, that's a 45-55 ; 40-60 on his CP. We don't really have anywhere to CP him afaik =/

 

[yoshq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmprgJGysMI

cp him to bf, he hates platforms

 

[CR4SH]

Yosh, ddd does die on fd at around 77%. Your shoryu was pretty stale by the time you actually connected one. Keep in mind that coins count towards staling the move.

 

[exdia_16]

yeah i was thinking the same thing i didnt know that the coin stales the move know i know ddd is fat

 

[Yonder]

I thought DDD's infinite was no longer a big worry and that it could be button mashed out of...

Anyways, this matchup is 55-45 or 60-40 DDD I think. While we can combo him to hell and back, DDD's range and bair are pretty much unrespondable to.

Get inside him though...and DDD's pretty much screwed.

 

[yoshq]

Get inside him though...and DDD's pretty much screwed.

hahahahaha

 

[CR4SH]

Yeah ddd even without the regrab is not a good matchup.

Jab Upb is a parlor trick on ddd and only works very early and in teams.

 

[Yonder]

hahahahaha

-_- Thanks for the constructive insight. I honesly don't find DDD a trouble at all when i'm close with Luigi.

 

[yoshq]

lol i agree... i don't find d3 that much of a problem period. just had to point that out though.

 

[hippiedude92]

i usually play a daily d3 most of the time, it'll be most likely a rock paper scissors matchs, since spotdodge > grab, if u can predict it correctly, but alot of ddd's will bait out ur spotdodge and what not, preferably it's great to just space right outside his shield grab range and just bait something out and punish accordingly with a tornado or some aerial

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

i convinced CPUdede, the best d3 in cali that the matchup is even or better for Luigi without the infinite

Fireball, down air, and space back air...a lot

also down throw to stuff. Its my favorite matchup and possibly the best matchup I play.

 

[kirbyfan66]

Of all the people Dedede can infinite, Luigi is the hardest. I main both Luigi AND Dedede, I know what I'm saying when I say this is either 50-50 or 45-55 D3 w/out infinite and 60-40 D3 with.

Chaingrabbing can cause problems, so stay out of grabbing range. D3's ftilt is insane, but easily punished. If it's powershielded, Luigi has plenty of good moves to use. A Shoryuken at high %s is a good idea, but it HAS to work, or prepare to be grabbed. Or punished. Same thing, in essence.

For approaches, it's Fireballs vs. Waddle Dee's. Hope you get a Dee or a Doo, since the Fireball may not do much but it stops them. Gordo's just eat through it, and you better react. Dees>Fireballs. However, the fireball is still a good option.

A good stage is any that Luigi is good on- also a stage that D3s grabbing is "nerfed".

 

[Delvro]

DDD cannot chain-grab Luigi. Only infinite.

 

[TreK]

He can. But it's **** hard lol

 

[BigLøu]

DDD can chaingrab luigi with a perfect dashing shiledgrab. DDD can infinite luigi 5 times before you can mash out of it.

Moves to worry about-back air and ddd's sheild grabbing, play a well spaced game and mix up recovery options. I find it best to recover under vs ddd because that is the hardest spot for him to back air you.

 

[AxelPurpleMissle]

Id like too see the match-up with kirby =) He gives me trouble at times T.T

true that, his fsmash gets annoying somtimes if you don't dodge.

 

[ThunderSt0rm]

^^Also when you shield. It pushes you back a decent distance -.-

 

[AxelPurpleMissle]

He can. But it's **** hard lol

At least we can beat up ddd, just dont get grab and space then dodge?

 

[Chaosgriffin]

I have had a lot of trouble with wolf lately, can anybody help me out in this MU?

 

[AxelPurpleMissle]

I have had a lot of trouble with wolf lately, can anybody help me out in this MU?

From my Experiance


Wolf Is most likely to spam you all the time, most likely his dsmash move. What I do is, I get a sex kick on him if I can....then I juggle him into combos. Bair is a great move too, fireballs to mind game him with because he will just reflect and you can get close in on him and do damage, tornado ftw!. Grabbing him and throwing him of the stage then some fireball spam until you see him recover, then thats when you run to edge gard on him.

ps~Dodge! a lot...

55:45

 

[DerpDaBerp]

So I have a request:

I've been having trouble with the resident Peach player here in AZ, is there any way she could be the next matchup discussed? If not for me than to revive the thread.

 

[Knubs.]

You guys need another match up thread.

 

[Chaosgriffin]

You guys need another match up thread.

What we need is people to be more active so we can have a non-fail thread.

 

[Knubs.]

What we need is people to be more active so we can have a non-fail thread.

Exactly. So it should have someone who is active running the thread as well.
It seems like the last update was some time ago. Maybe the person in charge doesn't want to continue it.

 

[DTP]

It seems like the last update was some time ago. Maybe the person in charge doesn't want to continue it.

Nope lol

Wanna take it over?

 

[Knubs.]

Nope lol

Wanna take it over?

Haha. You know me DTP. I'm too lazy to do stuff. Look at the point system I took over for Snare.

 

[exdia_16]

need help against d3 I dont know how to recover and how to approach woodbrigde tournament this weekend

 

[DerpDaBerp]

How about a general matchup Q/A with no particular goal, just questions about an aspect of the matchup someone can request (i.e. "Hai guys. So, how should I approach Peach?")


...or something, god**** it's been two years

 

[Knubs.]

Luigi boards lack stickies, which help bigger important threads stay alive.

 

[yoshq]

need help against d3 I dont know how to recover and how to approach woodbrigde tournament this weekend

against d3, avoid missile while recovering whenever possible, because he can always bair it - even a misfire. when approaching, you can do air moves just as long as you don't land anywhere near his shield. I suggest a grab for the approach though. once you've grabbed him you can usually get him to air dodge after your dthrow and grab him again, then after that do some uairs to hopefully another grab. and another random tip, the fsmash is very good against his shield when he, for example, runs up randomly and tries to grab you. it is the best move luigi has for pushing a shielded d3 away from himself.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

^ a great example of the format I'm suggesting

 

[Knubs.]

Not sure, but isn't this what you are requesting?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=240424

Someone should sticky it. It hardly stands out.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

Well I know there's a Q/A already, I guess I just sort of assumed that's mostly meant for clarification with learning Luigi mechanics rather than matchup specific questions.

 

[exdia_16]

against d3, avoid missile while recovering whenever possible, because he can always bair it - even a misfire. when approaching, you can do air moves just as long as you don't land anywhere near his shield. I suggest a grab for the approach though. once you've grabbed him you can usually get him to air dodge after your dthrow and grab him again, then after that do some uairs to hopefully another grab. and another random tip, the fsmash is very good against his shield when he, for example, runs up randomly and tries to grab you. it is the best move luigi has for pushing a shielded d3 away from himself.

i never thought of it that way thanks i think im ready and i will surprise boss too tips are very useful and cpu falls for it every time but its cpu thanks alot man.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

but more on topic:

Can anyone give me some advice on approaching Peach and finding how/when to kill? She seems to always be just out of reach...

 

[yoshq]

knock her out of the air with fireballs. patience is key, so you don't go running into her random fairs. use nado to approach, especially after a fireball. also can do air moves after fireballs. if the player gets to thinking that their air moves will cover all your approaches, start reading them and punishing dairs and uairs with your bair.
to kill, use the lag on her moves, like when most peaches try to do random fsmashes when they think you're pressured enough by turnips to get hit by one. I'd say nair is the best kill move in this mu, although if you know how to punish her air moves with upsmash, that can be the best. utilt and fsmash closely following.

 

[LuigiKing]

Yoshq is right. I get almost all my kills with Usmash or Nair against Peach. Literally 90% of them.

 

[DerpDaBerp]

thanks guys

 

[CR4SH]

and another random tip, the fsmash is very good against his shield when he, for example, runs up randomly and tries to grab you. it is the best move luigi has for pushing a shielded d3 away from himself.

Thats a great insight. I'm gonna start practicing this.