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Kataefi
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  • Hi. Um, I was picking up Zelda, so I decided to do some research on something. I researched Farore Wind's first hitbox's priority against all the projectiles. Should I post the chart with the info in the research thread?
    Yeah I would say 50:50 myself. Neither character can really approach effectively. While Sonic can bait and punish Zelda constantly, Zelda punishes a lot harder then Sonic can and has an easier time killing Sonic then the other way around. Darn those boots of lighting ;(

    Yeah, it would be better imo if some people in the Zelda boards would just use the ignore function as they don't seem to be getting anything sorted out with all the arguments and such.
    Mmm the people at the Zelda boards seem a bit more at each others throats than at the Peach boards, maybe cause we're so used to it now xD

    Its not fair on you though, considering your trying to sort the board out...judging by some of the comments in the thread they've completely ignored that

    Infact I think I might just say that <3
    Lol I've just been looking at that thread you made, its an exact replica of the stuff we've had in our boards xD

    You've even got your own...actually, I'll leave it at that xD

    But yea it looks like you've got some pretty nasty arguements going on :/ I know how you feel, this happens all the time at our boards :( Hopefully it'll die down reasonably soon and then you can get back to some sensible discussion
    GG's Kataefi. Sorry for those random SDs :/ So what are your thoughts on the Sonic Vs Zelda match up? I see your board is currently covering it, but that thread seems kind of dead...
    The thread'll get more attention if it's not stickied, especially considering how many stickies the Zelda boards have.

    Just a suggestion.
    Edited.

    It's really hard not to use names when all the problems on the Zelda boards essentially come from two people. :/
    Sorry, I played Zeldspazz then had to go. Was watchin Death Note with my friend. =X
    Yeah, it's like cyborg but it has Mario and Lucas at the top. AiB ladder is awful, hence why I stopped playing in the ladder.

    Btw, where does that avy come from? I find it familiar...
    Hey Kataefi. I missed your message earlier because I was using child of cyborg at the time, which didn't alert me of profile messages :/

    So, are you up for some games now? :O
    Lol yea quite a time difference :p We can have some 1 vs 1s instead if you like. I'd like to get some teams underway sometime though
    I just wanted to let you know that you can always contact me through msn for matches Kataefi. For example if you are playing with someone else for 2v2 or ffa or even 1v1 if I am there. Works better than forum for me. See what you want and do with it.
    Decayed dtilts are slightly harder to sdi out of.... normally dtilt gives 6 frames of hitlag, but if it's been used 4 times in a row and up it gives 5 frames.


    Anyways, walking after a dtilt turned out to be pretty unspectacular. In the best of circumstances it will only net you one extra dtilt. Turns out her walk has too slow acceleration to keep up with the sdi teleports.

    Here's some data showing how many frames you have to walk after a dtilt during the chain in an optimal setting:

    70% 5
    77% 4
    83% 4
    89% 3
    94% 3
    99% 3
    103% 2
    107% 2
    110% 2
    114% 2
    117% 2
    120% 3

    As you can see the nature of zelda's dtilt adv works against her here. In the end it's just not worth it.


    Lastly my testing confirmed that her dtilt has about a 40% trip rate, with me getting 42.3% after 300 trials. Really if you're going to do the dtilt chain this is how you'll do it... by getting lucky :p. You can completely reset your position after a trip, and this all is made better by the fact that you can't sdi a hit that trips.
    I can't see how Bowser wins from chain grabbing maniacs like Climbers, Falco and Dedede. It is so stupidly easy to grab Bowser. Up b gets predictable to. I think Vex is only succesfull because like noone plays Bowser so they are beat by surprise. In the end tourny results dont lie and I never see Bowser in the top.

    The thing is Bowser always has to approach. He has zero approach options. Nothing is safe. I gues jab and f tilt are the most safe to use.

    I gues the only good side about Bowser is that he doesnt get as destroyed as badly as zelda by certain top tiers.

    edit: I shall look into Bowser again. Because I do enjoy the fact that he is so fast in his movements and all his best moves are fast to.
    It was pure luck I gues you were online. You remain invinsible. Normally you are also not here so early.

    I don't use Bowser because it is rather bad in ffa. Certainly with Zelda and Peach who can just ping pong me over and over. I still find Bowser horrible because he has like nothing that works except for a few moves but once people know about that he is really not great. For someone so big he could have used more range. I always cringe if I see people talking about how good flamebreath is. It is decent to use it once and right away stop using it or else face an aerial in your face. In the case of Zelda lightning kick.

    I used Lucario because I wanted to use a character that went a bit better with the lag :p.
    Mmm...ok I'll give that shot :) Thanks, we should all have some more games sometime. Perhaps using some different characters every now and then would help me break out of the 'Peach pattern'
    GG's guys they were good fun :) Lmao at that Green Greens match Kata the blocks completely wrecked poor Sheik

    So guys, since I play you the most...I feel like I'm getting really predictable. I seem to run into some much stuff and everything I do feels so telegraphed. I consistantly seem to get grabbed and frankly its frustrating. I feel at a constant disadvantage in pretty much all of our recent matches...

    It just doesn't feel like anything I'm doing is working. Do either of you have any advice for me?
    Yeah, Imma going to make that thread right now.
    .........

    Dang, there isn't an option of making a thread with anonymous posts. Hmm... maybe we could use my PM box... I'm the SWF alter ego of Dr. Phil after all...
    My wifi was going on and off all night.... I only got to play a few matches with people, and they were all super laggy. :ohwell:

    I'm thinking about getting a splitter for my cable connection (the one I use for my desktop). If I do, I'll make it up to you, hehe.
    You know what we need?

    "Official thread for rants, arguments and general dissatisfaction!"
    I'm kidding... partly
    That walking dtilt thing is an excellent idea; I'm curious to see how that turns out myself.

    I looked at Zelda's character data via PSA and came up with dtilt having a 40% trip rate.... I'm not positive about that though, as I assumed a few things when coming up with it. I'll do some trials and see. Yeah though, if your opponent does trip that's a +19 adv; plenty of time to walk forward and reset your position.

    Zelda's "dash ending lag" is 12 frames. I haven't checked many other character's, but those I have checked have all had 14+, so her's seems to be better than average.
    Ooooook lol, I'm finally pretty much caught up with things (mainly finishing G&W frame data; **** you Judgment hammer >:I) soooo is this particular request still up in the air? Or has it been filled by someone else? Regardless I'd be happy to help out with whatever.
    Sorry for not replying for so long. I'm fine thanks. I'm losing interest in brawl and would rather be working on stuff then playing :/
    Haha yessir, Ive been into hosting some online tournies lately :) They're fun! And excellent color choice for the lettering.
    Heeeyy hows things? I was just posting to wonder how the Terra texture is going ^^" No pressure, just curious thats all :)

    Also, I was looking at some of Zeldas match ups and dang some of them are pretty brutal. 25:75 against MK and G&W? 30:70 against Snake? :(
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