Sensei Seibrik
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moral of the story, play riddle with nationally accepted rules, or gtfo
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ZSS now has a kill throw vs MK....
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Takeover1806
Smash Champion
seibrik I def believe the edge release nd everything against meta..
but im a fool to listen to your mu's ratios..
snake/mk mu 70:30 mk's favor..
that was not even a joke when you said that lol
zss/mk 55:45 mks favor at most
Edit: zss is sick & experience onces will def get a grab with no problem..
her downsmash is scary which can also lead into a grab..
man this does give her a slight advantage..
Can she grab out of tornado?
but im a fool to listen to your mu's ratios..
snake/mk mu 70:30 mk's favor..
that was not even a joke when you said that lol
zss/mk 55:45 mks favor at most
Edit: zss is sick & experience onces will def get a grab with no problem..
her downsmash is scary which can also lead into a grab..
man this does give her a slight advantage..
Can she grab out of tornado?
Overswarm
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I'll play with SBR ruleset or midwest circuit ruleset.
Orion*
Smash Researcher
Isn't ZSS uair her most used move in the matchup or something? In that case, wouldn't it be generally stale and thus not really threatening unless it's a fresh stock? <<
Not to mention how bad and hard to land ZSS's grab is, or how ridiculously hard to land her Dsmash is....
Not to mention how bad and hard to land ZSS's grab is, or how ridiculously hard to land her Dsmash is....
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
It is but her pummel and grab (yeah her grab is unique) refresh moves and she has a grab-release chaingrab on MK.
This doesn't put the matchup in ZSS' favor or anything like that (cough Tommy_G) don't be silly.
**** riddle's going to get counterpicked to 75m
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
75m is an awesome zss stage.
Jem.
Smash Master
If you think thats bad, WA used to have Norfair legal.. And we are now finally banning Picto (I like Picto though 
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Lol Dude Takeover... 70:30?
I think the matchup could possibly develop into 60:40 once top MKs start footstooling out of cypher but it being worse than that is impossible.
And ZSS can grab you out of a low tornado but most MKs tornado just a little too high.
Overswarm
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No, it is not.LOL
is spearpillar legal?
We still have both legal, as there hasn't shown to be any consistent dominance or broken strategies on either stage
Orion*
Smash Researcher
i would love you to play a non metaknight character and money match me on norfair LOL. that stage is stupid XDWe still have both legal, as there hasn't shown to be any consistent dominance or broken strategies on either stage
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
you can grab and dsmash tornado, unless its done at zss's head. low recovering nado's will be getting Eff'd every time.
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The lava comes on a pre-determined pattern and the lava spurts attack point X (where X is where you are standing at the time the animation starts).
Norfair isn't really that good of an MK stage, really. It suits Wario muuuuuuuch better. G&W is pretty good there too, but those with vertical KO moves can kill him eariler on the top plats. It's also a pretty baller Kirby stage if you can do the slowfall bair through the plat trick.
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~Pink Fresh~
Smash Master
Ehhh takeover needs to step up his typing game lol.
@ P4 Seibrik told Takeover that the Snake/MK MU is 70:30 Mk's favor.
lol @ dude above calling seibrik a scrub.
@ P4 Seibrik told Takeover that the Snake/MK MU is 70:30 Mk's favor.
lol @ dude above calling seibrik a scrub.
Master Raven
Smash Master
Yeah Takeover kinda worded that funny. MK/Snake is definitely not 7-3 MK, at least right now (nor do I expect it to ever be). I agree with Redhalberd that it could potentially be a 6-4 advantage, but that's as far as it can get.
Toronto Joe
Smash Master
nah yo snake mk be 7-3 matchup
Takeover1806
Smash Champion
you guys are def confused
I'm saying seibrik said the Snake/Mk Mu
is 70:30 in Mks favor..
I think the Mu is 55:45 MK's favor
I'm saying seibrik said the Snake/Mk Mu
is 70:30 in Mks favor..
I think the Mu is 55:45 MK's favor
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Can you d-smash MK from above, like on a platform?
Part of my AT streak has shown we might have the ability to cancel our jumps on platforms. If that's the case, ZSS might be able to jump on a platform and d-smash on stages like battlefield. Not a counter by any means, but a neat trick.
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
yes, if she is on a platform, she can own most things mk tries to do with dsmash, including nado, sometimes even up-b depending on spacing
And it was only banned because GC Guy wanted to copy SoCal tournament rules for their sake. We never had any demonstrated issues with it in tournament, other than it being a very good Valdens counterpick.If you think thats bad, WA used to have Norfair legal.. And we are now finally banning Picto (I like Picto though
Imo the level MK would have to play at for it to be 70:30 would be CPU reaction speed. MK has laser priority so technically he can block by attacking if your timing is good enough but that's not humanly possible. So yeah, 60:40 at the worst...later.
Man, you're clueless. >_____>
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Yes! This is the truth.
Even though ZSS has a clearer advantage against MK, and it definitely is easier for ZSS than many others... I feel safer going Kirby instead of ZSS. :|
And I'm very sure that air release > uair from ZSS isn't new, I've been doing that for a while for example. A number of changes in MK's general strategy should make it harder for ZSS to hit MK with a dsmash, or pull a grab off randomly during the fight.