ZSS General Discussion

[#HBC | ZoZo]

They don't. Dtilt is longer lol.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

it isn't >_> i think.

 

[Salem]

F-tilt is a cool move and sends people at an awkward angle at higher percentages, mostly because nobody expects to be hit by it so they DI it incorrectly.

Idgaf about the tripping factor from it, the trip doesn't lead to d-smash so f it.

 

[PEACE7]

nvm thissssssss

 

[infiniteV115]

F-tilt is a cool move and sends people at an awkward angle at higher percentages, mostly because nobody expects to be hit by it so they DI it incorrectly.

This so much. I killed P1 with low ftilt LOL
Also the tripping is amazing, it leads into dash attack and dtilt!

 

[PEACE7]

so what are some good uses for holding A and doing the rapid jab?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

It has limited AA applications. It would be better against Marth if he couldn't up-b your jab. >_>

 

[infiniteV115]

Yeah, never jab2 Marth.
Unless you've tried it and discovered that the Marth isn't aware that he gets a free upB after your jab2. Then, by all means, hold A XD

Oh wait, I think I (and SFP) misread your question. Uh, as for the rapid jab1, it's good against things like popping Diddy's peanuts, MK's glide (unless they're super skilled with it and can space it so that it can only hit your head...but I doubt anyone is that good with it), when you're standing by the edge and you're expecting an offstage opponent to jump up into it so you catch their jump, clashing with items (bouncing suitpieces, turnips...idk about anything else lol), catching characters out of their recovery (eg Fox and Falco sideB, though I prefer to just time it)

 

[PEACE7]

Yea I should of been more specific. But you got me I knew about the clashing with suit pieces and popping peanuts but had no idea about it been useful against glide attack and stuff. Thank you very much.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Can someone teach me how to play against Yoshi without looking so ****ing ********

Seriously, I hate Yoshi. I played against NGFC a lot this week. I'll typically win, but I feel like an idiot the whole time. It's like everything I have learned about playing ZSS with any kind of fluidity goes out the window and I party like it's 2009. Every time an egg hits me and every time I get grabbed I'm like "yeah duh that was coming."

Also Yoshi seems way too good at stealing my suit pieces at the start of a match especially on battlefield, I get really confused and end up just throwing them anywhere.

Jesus I'm bad.

 

[infiniteV115]

Don't throw pieces horizontally without a read (ie without being 100% sure it's gonna hit them). Applies to all MUs.
Jab cancelling on shield is good. Mix in some low ftilts and dsmashes. Especially on the back of his shield. Bair on shield is good too.
Yoshi's OoS options suck, except for spotdodge, so you should be charging dsmashes more often.
Watch out for fair--> something frametraps (usually fair-->nair)
Juggle him. Usmash is actually good (and it beats out dair).
Don't get grabbed (we get CGed)
If you're on a platform and Yoshi is coming from below to hit you, be ready to avoid the Egg Lay. If he dairs, SDI and then utilt.
Punish landings with nB/sideB cause he doesn't usually fall close enough for you to dsmash him.

1:21:30 http://www.twitch.tv/acgamesonline/b/354360809

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Thanks. Can we do anything to Yoshi when he dairs our shield and lands far enough away? Utilt doesn't work, Dash attack usually gets shielded. I feel like there's got to be an option I'm not considering. Maybe reverse f/dtilt...

 

[DeLux]

Walk toward him and dtilt

 

[infiniteV115]

If Yoshi dairs your shield, shield drop, SDI out, and utilt XD

 

[NickRiddle]

Why are you not u-smashing/uairing Yoshi instead of sheilding?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Why are you not u-smashing/uairing Yoshi instead of sheilding?

This is probably the best answer lol

 

[PEACE7]

I hate been stuck in the ledge against marth

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

ledge jump > DJ > airdodge

 

[ぱみゅ]

ledge jump > DJ > airdodge

Get read and Fsmashed. It probably won't kill anyway so repeat to infinite or until someone messes up.

Every character sucks at getting up from the ledge, imo.
idk, just mix it up. ZSS has Plasma Whip, Paralizer, Flip Jump and an amazing mobility to make stuff happen.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Most Marths wait because you can get ZSSs get up, get up attack, and get up roll on reaction. Leaving only drop and jump lol. Drop's not gonna do you good if they keep their distance so yeah. thats just my take though

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Posting to re-"subscribe"

 

[ぱみゅ]

I thought everyone were already subscribed?

 

[PEACE7]

I'm not sure if i like this whole new thing

 

[NickRiddle]

Wow, this new forum layout is ****ing terrible.
Guess I'm not going to be here often anymore.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I friggin love it. Hating is part of the process though I guess.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

lol. 10char

 

[fkacyan]

New forum design is even less readable than the old one was. Short posts take up even MORE screen space because of the huge sidebar for avatar / name / title / joindate / postcount. But I won't get into the aesthetics of design on Smashboards .

ZSS has a HUGE ledge jump that not a lot of people take good advantage of, but ZSS doesn't have good landing options at close range and her boxing game is really really poop because our jab blows.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Or you could just realize that there's still being work done to this site and we're still just using default skins that come with the software while we're working on correcting the skins for the new software.

 

[Claire Diviner]

New forum design is even less readable than the old one was. Short posts take up even MORE screen space because of the huge sidebar for avatar / name / title / joindate / postcount. But I won't get into the aesthetics of design on Smashboards because Bionic masturbates to whatever he works on and can do no wrong.

This was completely unnecessary. If you have this kind of a personal problem with the forums or a specific user, take it to Forum Support.

 

[fkacyan]

Or you could just realize that there's still being work done to this site and we're still just using default skins that come with the software while we're working on correcting the skins for the new software.

I heard that Vibrant was a WiP too, and that was always a pile of crap. Thankfully, we have in-browser webpage modification now.

Loving that out-of-the-box-features that could fix major issues like the ability to hide use medals and extras from posts to shorten page length don't work, too.

EDIT: @ above lol who are you

 

[rPSIvysaur]

IDK if you ever had premium, but there were a lot more skins that were actually well designed. Ankoku made premium ones that were very readable and highly functional. afaik Ankoku will be working to make skins again. I'll have to double check though.

 

[fkacyan]

IDK if you ever had premium, but there were a lot more skins that were actually well designed. Ankoku made premium ones that were very readable and highly functional. afaik Ankoku will be working to make skins again. I'll have to double check though.

I have to pay for a working UI? Are you serious?

Looks like I'll be writing some new Greasemonkey stuff.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I would like to mention that this user interface is functioning and you are able to respond to posts.

 

[fkacyan]

Actually, not always. I frequently have to copy/paste what I'm typing into a refreshed page because the reply box hangs for 60+ seconds. That's the server, though, and not the UI.

 

[Linkshot]

I want Slowpoke World Forums back. Also Alerts aren't working and sometimes the dropdown comes down but I can see the not-dropped-down white text behind it and have to click.

I do beta testing. My job is to whine about this stuff.

 

[fkacyan]

Oh, and whenever you click a subforum list, sometimes it autoretracts, and when you scroll inside one ala the Character subforums, it doesn't lock the scrollwheel inside the dropdown and you can scroll down away from the dropdown. Whee.

Oh, and unless I'm missing something you can't see the read or unread states of subforums either.

Oh, and I like using 'Oh, and."

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

zss swf discussion

 

[Dakpo]

Is it sad that I just want the name search to be the same as the old? Otherwise this new layout is fine

 

[Linkshot]

Signatures aren't distinct enough.

 

[NickRiddle]

Everything sucks.