ZSS General Discussion

[Linkshot]

Tricky Riddle

 

[infiniteV115]

Justin giving away his girlfriend possibly maybe I'm not sure?

Sounds like quite the Dick Riddle to me

 

[LoliLovesRain]

Justin giving away his girlfriend possibly maybe I'm not sure?

Sounds like quite the Dick Riddle to me

I'm a boy get it right.

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

Yeah, there are no girls on the internet
dangit dude, always foiling my plans for thefting >:I

 

[infiniteV115]

If you want your kidnapping plans to see any success
You're gonna have to keep them

•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Lo ki.

 

[fkacyan]

Fun fact:

ZSS dittos are really really really boring after all the armor pieces go away.

 

[Linkshot]

Turn on Soccer Balls.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Yeah, there are no girls on the internet

And every girl is a guy pretending to be a girl.

 

[infiniteV115]

ZSS dittos are amazing. You suck Thio.
ZSS can jab1 between the opposing ZSS' jab2 and jab3. Just hold A XD.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Jab is fun.

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

If you want your kidnapping plans to see any success
You're gonna have to keep them

•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Lo ki.

......

I don't even

 

[NickRiddle]

How did I miss that.
I hate you V.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

But everyone loves mink.

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

Mink is the Papa of the ZSS boards
We wub joo Papa Mink

 

[Snakeee]

Fun fact:

ZSS dittos are really really really boring after all the armor pieces go away.

And before they do, they are really really really frustrating, random, and hilarious XD.

You still go on here? . o_O

 

[Chronodiver Lokii]

A wild Snakeee appeared

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Mink is the Papa of the ZSS boards
We wub joo Papa Mink

More like the 3rd or 4th generation down the line.

Papa is like, Hence, or Cake, or something.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Cake. Easily Cake. Hence sux.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

V please stop eating full nairs and charging dsmash when ally nairs to the ground every time <3 nice job, 2nd is good. matches vs p1 were great.

 

[DeLux]

Free115 got 2nd? That Coalition of Freedom curse continues lolol

 

[1PokeMastr]

V, stop rolling.

You got hit by 1000000 F-Tilts because of that and stop doing getup attack.

 

[Luco]

Hello ZSSs! Sorry i'm late, I just came to say congratulations and well done when it came to APEX this year, showing the world you don't need to be MK or even top tier to win the biggest (smash, duh) tournament of all time!

That said, ZSS is probably moving in to top tier because of this hehe but still... Sugoi! ^_^

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What is the opinion of the ZSS community on the Diddy matchup?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

The community opinion is that it's -1.

Spoiler

My opinion is that it's balls. >_>

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Results are starting to become more and more even, if not a bit in ZSS' favor though.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

True, but ZSS vs. Falco results have been in ZSS' favor for a while and no one's jumping to call that ZSS' favor.

Btw, is it true that Salem beat ADHD somewhere? I was told this last night but I can't find any kind of confirmation.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The difference is that the results of ZSS vs Diddy are more representative than the results of ZSS vs Falco. Masha and BluB are probably the only Falco players that truly understand it - the other Falco players either aren't as good as the ZSS player or they don't know the matchup. Results-wise, Falco vs ZSS is pretty much completely up in the air.

In Diddy's case the results are numerous and representative: Salem has beaten ADHD in a pools set of one of Vinnie's tournaments. V115 has beaten Zinoto and P1 this weekend and P1 is not a stranger to this match-up. He lost to Lp but it was very close and Lp has massive ZSS experience with Tay and quiKsilver whom he both goes "only" even with. Ikki has beaten Nagahari when both of them were in their prime and quiksilver has beaten Suinoko. The only thing that's unclear is how cyve's Diddy would do against the american ZSS players but he seems to be the best Diddy in this matchup.
Just food for thought.

 

[Tesh]

Gnes has never lost to ZSS with Diddy Kong. He lost to Bio with MK only and went 2-1 with patg and nick riddle.

ZSS might beat diddy though. Its one of those rare characters where the mains actually have an extremely developed item game.

 

[ph00tbag]

V, stop rolling.

You got hit by 1000000 F-Tilts because of that and stop doing getup attack.

This is terrible advice, because it presumes that rolling and get-up attacks were the problem.

The problem is that Ally is mentally prepared to respond to every eventuality in those situations on reaction. It would be better to just say, don't get caught blocking ftilt, and don't get caught in knockdown. And if you're going to get caught in those situations, don't be predictable about how you escape them.

I don't think I ever saw V uair oos, though, actually. That's a good option that a lot of players don't give enough respect to.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

This is terrible advice, because it presumes that rolling and get-up attacks were the problem.

The problem is that Ally is mentally prepared to respond to every eventuality in those situations on reaction. It would be better to just say, don't get caught blocking ftilt, and don't get caught in knockdown. And if you're going to get caught in those situations, don't be predictable about how you escape them.

I don't think I ever saw V uair oos, though, actually. That's a good option that a lot of players don't give enough respect to.

ph00t...bag?... O_o

 

[Tesh]

Honestly, ZSS mains need to use down B to escape more. Especially from tech chases. Just getting up in place and buffering frame 1 invincibility is alot harder to punish than what any other character can do.

 

[DRN]

The difference is that the results of ZSS vs Diddy are more representative than the results of ZSS vs Falco. Masha and BluB are probably the only Falco players that truly understand it - the other Falco players either aren't as good as the ZSS player or they don't know the matchup. Results-wise, Falco vs ZSS is pretty much completely up in the air.

In Diddy's case the results are numerous and representative: Salem has beaten ADHD in a pools set of one of Vinnie's tournaments. V115 has beaten Zinoto and P1 this weekend and P1 is not a stranger to this match-up. He lost to Lp but it was very close and Lp has massive ZSS experience with Tay and quiKsilver whom he both goes "only" even with. Ikki has beaten Nagahari when both of them were in their prime and quiksilver has beaten Suinoko. The only thing that's unclear is how cyve's Diddy would do against the american ZSS players but he seems to be the best Diddy in this matchup.
Just food for thought.

The diddy match up is even IMO. I play Player-1 and BigLou all the time and we are always a coin toss. This is the second time V115 and P-1 played in a serious set. They actually just recently MM'd at apex and P-1 won 3-1. V115 played really well this weekend though and it def showed.

The Falco match up is booty. Kismet will show the world!

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

A buddy of mine that plays Snake, Sage, has beaten Salem in tourney and says he thinks ZSS loses the match-up really hard because she has no real answer to Snake walking forward and shielding. If she hits the shield while snake is holding a grenade, Snake wins. I don't usually agree with ZSS having a huge weakness to shields, but Snake's nades and tilt pressure do add an extra layer to the problem.

I don't know how true that is, but Ally like, doesn't lose to ZSS and V vs Ally was kind of a stomp. (Sorry V!)

 

[Tesh]

Ally stomped everyone in Loser's. He was done playing around and its not like anyone there has ever been on his level.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Yeah, you have a point. BTW, V's item game has really gotten ridiculous. V, can you like, download your brain and send it to me on a usb drive?

 

[PEACE7]

**** i hope those get uploaded.
And I can agree with ZSS vs Diddy been even if not slight disadvantage.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I've always wondered why ZSS players don't base their MU ratios around results more anyway. Now that the ZSS metagame isn't only carried by one individual player like it has been the case almost always up until now, her results are becoming more representative so some of them could - and imo should - be taken at face value.

DDD, Marth and Diddy are all probably even, whereas IC and Snake seem to have a bit of an advantage over her though Snake possibly less so. Hard facts should be given more attention by now than theorycraft. If you never beat ICs you can't claim to win the matchup and expect to find agreement.

 

[Tesh]

Yeah, you have a point. BTW, V's item game has really gotten ridiculous. V, can you like, download your brain and send it to me on a usb drive?

Aside from pointlessly flipstooling grenades to try to juggle snake, I don't see how anyone is doing anything impressive aside from Salem. V needs to juggle pieces like Salem so he can actually have more than a 50% lead at the start of the match.

V is pretty smart, but he needs to go practice that tech skill. I saw alot of times he had the right idea but just screwed it up.

I've always wondered why ZSS players don't base their MU ratios around results more anyway. Now that the ZSS metagame isn't only carried by one individual player like it has been the case almost always up until now, her results are becoming more representative so some of them could - and imo should - be taken at face value.

DDD, Marth and Diddy are all probably even, whereas IC and Snake seem to have a bit of an advantage over her though Snake possibly less so. Hard facts should be given more attention by now than theorycraft. If you never beat ICs you can't claim to win the matchup and expect to find agreement.

ZSS is what people always claimed marth was...

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

@Gheb: So do you or do you not agree that ZSS beats MK

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Of course not.