NickRiddle
#negativeNick
That's ESAM IIRC.
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Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers
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infiniteV115
Smash Hero
I'm not 100% sure but logic would lead me to believe that some characters can get out in the air.
On the ground, characters can escape with the use of their shield. Shield comes out on frame 1, and jab3 gets powershielded.
Thus, characters with frame 1 invincibility moves (ZSS and Wolf down b, Marth and Bowser up-b) can definitely escape with said moves.
On the ground, characters can escape with the use of their shield. Shield comes out on frame 1, and jab3 gets powershielded.
Thus, characters with frame 1 invincibility moves (ZSS and Wolf down b, Marth and Bowser up-b) can definitely escape with said moves.
ZTD | TECHnology
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Alright so one more question. How do I deal with Desynched Ice Blocks. I played L@in once in pools and took a game off his ICs with ZSS (by some magical **** and some even more magical luck..lmao he ***** me after that) and I asked him what he thought of the MU because it looked like ZSS does pretty well against him. I did just keep spacing stuff an platform camping...then somehow I would get Nana in the air, carry her off the stage with Up Air to Back Air and then gimp her. After that I found Popo to be stupid easy. Now he said that ICs **** ZSS with desynched IBs. He said she has no reliable of being to combat it and something about her being really susceptible to being frame trapped by the ICs. I wasn't really sure so I wanted to ask you what you thought.
Dakpo
Smash Lord
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at zss losing to Ice block desync. One of my best friends Mains IC and i love the match up. Its just about free. so problems with ic block ehh? For one, patients, especially if you have the lead, 2nd what stage was it? 3rd if you jump right over them I can almost guarantee they will stop. Since its really hard not to start to spam up air or hide in shield if zss is jumping over you. Not to mention you are going to be on the a different side of them. Also, trying walking casually (if your behind) and power shield them. Slowly you will be able to approach with enough time to jump away at any grab attempts. Trust me man, you beating his IC was not luck. YBM makes L@in go MK from what i understand.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
ZTD | TECHnology
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The stage, I won on was Battlefield. It was Game 1. I felt very comfortable on the stage as well, I feel like she had the tools I needed. Yeah I made some mistakes but I was a bit nervous. And yeah he usually goes MK against ZSS now.
And the only time I saw them do ZSS/ICs, Y.b.M won 3-0 if I remember right. I just tried to play the MU like he did lol.
Like I know how ICs work, I play them as well. I have a lot of in depth knowledge about how the character works from their perspective so I taught several people how to beat them. Its just that D3 gets destroyed by them. Like its not even fair lol. So I figured its time to bust out that ZSS again. Plus I just have a lot of fun with her :D
And the only time I saw them do ZSS/ICs, Y.b.M won 3-0 if I remember right. I just tried to play the MU like he did lol.
Like I know how ICs work, I play them as well. I have a lot of in depth knowledge about how the character works from their perspective so I taught several people how to beat them. Its just that D3 gets destroyed by them. Like its not even fair lol. So I figured its time to bust out that ZSS again. Plus I just have a lot of fun with her :D
Dr. Tuen
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"Jab 3 connects to every character:
1. Out of a tech roll
2. after a ledge attack
3. after a get-up attack
4. If they are tilting the control stick "up" when hit
5. After a dash attack (HOLD A) "
Woah!
Is there an explanation as to why this works for these conditions? That seems weird that they'd be able to shield normally and would become unable when doing one of these five things. Are 2 and 3 related to RCO lag...?
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Also... uair OoS. I hear it's amazing and awesome. I've got L as jump, so I should be able to just mash jump then c-stick up. The problem is, I sometimes hit this funny 'dead frame' and fail to do a move at all... Is there a remedy for this, or is it just a learned timing?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
**** the dead frame, it used to screw me over every ****ing match at least 1000 times.
Just learn the right timing, it's still balls. Gotta make sure you don't usmash oos tho
Just learn the right timing, it's still balls. Gotta make sure you don't usmash oos tho
ZTD | TECHnology
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I Up Smash out of Shield like that too much 
I've gotten lucky and still hits depends on how far the opponent is from my shield. Since the hitboxes are wonky lmao.
I've gotten lucky and still hits depends on how far the opponent is from my shield. Since the hitboxes are wonky lmao.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
You gotta slightly tilt your control stick and it will buffer.
Dr. Tuen
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Yeah, I either usmash oos or do the uair too late to connect vs a grounded opponent. :-/.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Question about Falco's cg
If he's CGing me and I'm spamming down b(you know, in case he ****s up), does holding down actually extend the duration of the CG because I'm DIing down? Or does it have no effect on the length whatsoever?
If he's CGing me and I'm spamming down b(you know, in case he ****s up), does holding down actually extend the duration of the CG because I'm DIing down? Or does it have no effect on the length whatsoever?
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Two different hitstuns.
One of them negates DI, and makes it so you can do anything ASAP out of it.
The other one is where DI comes in, and the normal order for momentum canceling takes effect.
Falco's CG is the former.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Alright, thanks.
FEAR977
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So I noticed that in the guide we are lacking some cool down and duration frames for some moves. I recently got the hack that tells you how many frames a move is and stuff. Does any one think it's necessary to get these frames? If so, I can get them.
InfernoParadox
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My tilt game is horrid, I often end up smashing instead of tilting, would anyone recommend switching my c-stick to the tilts even though it would make me slower on the down special?
PEACE7
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Do it or turn tap jump off
Dr. Tuen
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All frame data is here:So I noticed that in the guide we are lacking some cool down and duration frames for some moves. I recently got the hack that tells you how many frames a move is and stuff. Does any one think it's necessary to get these frames? If so, I can get them.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=305271
It's about 98% complete. A few weird things are missing.
Dr. Tuen
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Unless I've been missing something, we still need stun times for neutral b (strong and weak) and dsmash. The other piece of information we were missing was the firing time for the two neutral b types, but that was offered up by another Smash Lab member in the Frame Trap thread.Wow, I'm dumb, I can't believe I completely forgot about that spreadsheet. Guess we don't need anything then.
Zulo
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I have a question regarding ZSS's recovery.. On Yoshi's Island and I guess other stages, when I try to flip jump to the ledge, ZSS bounces back off the ledge if I do it at a certain height. Is there a way I can prevent her from walljumping, without holding down on the analog stick? If I do that, I can't grab the ledge.
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[FBC] Papa Mink
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^^ No you just get ****ed up.
It's on every stage that actually has a lip (not delphino/halberd (moving section)).
Feels bad man.
It's on every stage that actually has a lip (not delphino/halberd (moving section)).
Feels bad man.
Dr. Tuen
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If you have the appropriate means, then go for it. I think dsmash stun increases with percent, so there will be a base stun with additional stun put on top of it.So should I get the stun times for neutral b (strong and weak) and dsmash?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
This is true.
Also, the flipflop reflect thing happens on almost every stage, it's really sucky. Hold down and upb asap.
PEACE7
Smash Champion
Flip flop reflect? What is that?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
DownB against a wall.
It flips, then it flops back.
It flips, then it flops back.
PEACE7
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Oh LOL alright thanks
Zulo
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Okay, I can try that. Thanks.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
No sweat ;D
DUB
Smash Lord
Good ledge options vs. DK?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Ledge getup
getup attack
roll
(above is great mixups on its own)
jump > airdodge/doublejump/downb
downb back on stage
walljump bair
sideb if you hold down it wont snap the ledge
Drop, jump nair/airdodge
Drop jump neutralb
etcetc
getup attack
roll
(above is great mixups on its own)
jump > airdodge/doublejump/downb
downb back on stage
walljump bair
sideb if you hold down it wont snap the ledge
Drop, jump nair/airdodge
Drop jump neutralb
etcetc
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
What do you guys (at least the ones who've played this MU) think of the Sheik MU?
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Even, or +1 in ZSS's favor.
Dakpo
Smash Lord
even...............................maybe +1
DUB
Smash Lord
Anyone had experience with DK+ZSS in teams? Trying it for upcoming tourney.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
I teamed with a friend recently, he mains DK but I think for doubles he went Snake and Ness. Can't remember if he ever went DK.
Uh...kinda funny, don't know if it'll work but if you guys are ever in a 2v1 situation (not even necessarily that only 1 opponent is left, say the opponent's partner is really far away) it seems that you could build up damage with ZSS dsmash/paralyzer> DK side-b > repeat.
You'll probably have to help defend your partner offstage if he's DK.
Uh...kinda funny, don't know if it'll work but if you guys are ever in a 2v1 situation (not even necessarily that only 1 opponent is left, say the opponent's partner is really far away) it seems that you could build up damage with ZSS dsmash/paralyzer> DK side-b > repeat.
You'll probably have to help defend your partner offstage if he's DK.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
I might have been wrong about #5, probably per character.
As 1-4, it's pretty simple:
Tech rolls, ledge attacks, ledge get-up attacks, and possibly ledge rolls cause jab to push a slightly higher angle (perhaps as a result of the "king dedede uptilt effect" in which they are technically off the ground). As for 4, it's obvious... they're DIing "up."