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[FBC] Papa Mink
Smash Legend
That's very common.
Lol.
Lol.
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Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers
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quiKsilverItaly
Smash Journeyman
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yea but i mean the most time i see videos of zss, i just see bairs or side-b and that stuff after the dsmash 
Dakpo
Smash Lord
we have moved on to footstooling now...lol at our metagame
PEACE7
Smash Champion
Is banana lock harder than the infinite on Rob? Because I was trying out the infinite on Rob today and its not as hard as I though it would be, it would be sick if banana lock was easier ,although its probably wayy harder 
Deathfox30
Smash Journeyman
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Banana lock is much harder IMO. The ROB infinite is pretty easy.
Dakpo
Smash Lord
banana infinite is about equal and a lot more useful
the steps to the banana infinite are
1.down smash
2. spam the jump button until you footstool (trust me, this makes you less likely to miss the footstool)
3 throw down the banana (this is where the timing is pretty flexible, also make sure you throw the banana on the side of diddy you want him to trip towards)
4. Fast fall ASAP
5. Z catch the banana
6. throw banana down
7.down smash
8. rinse and rapeet
the steps to the banana infinite are
1.down smash
2. spam the jump button until you footstool (trust me, this makes you less likely to miss the footstool)
3 throw down the banana (this is where the timing is pretty flexible, also make sure you throw the banana on the side of diddy you want him to trip towards)
4. Fast fall ASAP
5. Z catch the banana
6. throw banana down
7.down smash
8. rinse and rapeet
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Can someone explain to me what to do when Kirby gets the lead? I'm pretty sure I might as well just unplug my controller, because you don't have any options. At all.
I was at a smashfest and Dark.pch was laughing at me because our Kirby gained the lead and basically ran away for the next 6 minutes getting chip damage and I had no options to prevent that. Every time I jumped, he shielded, and Kirby's SH/SHbair are too low to punish. Then, dark.pch took my controller and said "look it's not that hard" and got wrecked by the same strategy (with ZSS) so uh, someone help.
I was at a smashfest and Dark.pch was laughing at me because our Kirby gained the lead and basically ran away for the next 6 minutes getting chip damage and I had no options to prevent that. Every time I jumped, he shielded, and Kirby's SH/SHbair are too low to punish. Then, dark.pch took my controller and said "look it's not that hard" and got wrecked by the same strategy (with ZSS) so uh, someone help.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Stop being bad?
What's he doing to keep you out?
Just throw out spacing moveso n his shield, and hope they work.
Or, you know, normal shield pressure.
If he's doing stuff that's really low, just d-smash.
Explain better!
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Uh, he's not doing anything. He doesn't have to do anything to keep me out. He just has to hold shield when I get close, or when I jump. He SHbair is too big and low to punish. Grab is scary because it goes right over him about half the time.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Grab shouldn't be going over him if he isn't crouching.
You must be getting the miss-box often.
Just charge a d-smash on shield?
IT'S THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING!
You must be getting the miss-box often.
Just charge a d-smash on shield?
IT'S THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING!
solecalibur
Smash Master
Rob loop is easy but improbable in tounry while naner lock is, for kirby just harrass his sheild with spacing moves like dtilt (ftilit?) Sheild doesn't last forever, never had a problem with a kirby b4
Dakpo
Smash Lord
basically what i was going to say, just PS the SH bairs. They are very predictable and if you do it right they can be punished with a ftilt.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
I know that hypothetically Kirby should be very easy, I just find it scary to let him have a lead. =/
PEACE7
Smash Champion
What are some of our options whenever our opponent gets their hands on our armor pieces besides instant Z catching like is there more? Also is jab good for when the pieces are thrown at us?
Dakpo
Smash Lord
i find you can use neutral B to stop them pretty easily
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Jab is good at stopping suit pieces, turnips, bananas etc. And occasionally you catch them!
PEACE7
Smash Champion
Alright good to know thanks I didn't know about the neutral B.
Dakpo
Smash Lord
wait....jab stops bananas?
PEACE7
Smash Champion
Dakpo I don't think you can stop them with jab. Also I seen combo videos where Zss upB's snake onto the ground gets a dsmash and than upB's again repeating this over and over for good damage and than finish it with something like bair is there like a certain range of damage the snaKe needs to be in? And they can get out of it right? if they tech the upB against the ground?
Dakpo
Smash Lord
They can get out of it at any percent and should only be attempted if you feel lucky. Any percent above 50 is usually fine. But warning, it is SUPER easy to get out of.
PEACE7
Smash Champion
What would be our best option after getting a shieldbreak?
Paw
Smash Ace
probably fully charged Dsmash -> d smash -> follow up. or if they are at high percents charged f smash lol
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
It depends a lot on the opponent and the % they're at, like, if it's MK at 90 and your uair is fresh charged dsmash, nonchargex2 uair.
I don't think fsmash is ever the right answer though since charging it doesn't increase kb and bair, second hit fair, and side-b all have higher KB at all times.
I don't think fsmash is ever the right answer though since charging it doesn't increase kb and bair, second hit fair, and side-b all have higher KB at all times.
Dakpo
Smash Lord
Fsmash doesnt change knock back??? holy ****
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
No, it doesn't increase KB or damage, except in the sourspot lol. The section that does the most damage and kbs the most doesn't ever change with a charge.
[FBC] Papa Mink
Smash Legend
Man, Fsmash is so awful.
Paw
Smash Ace
i had no idea charging it doesn't increase KB. I just assumed it wasn't a completely awful move -_-. good to know!
PEACE7
Smash Champion
Interesting stuff thanks everyone.
VSC.D-Torr
Smash Hero
Yeah that's good to know.
[FBC] Papa Mink
Smash Legend
Sadly, yes.
Though the possibility of them getting oput of shield stun before your smash even hits them is possible, because the move is that bad
[FBC] Papa Mink
Smash Legend
I'll accept that compliment.
and it's a pony -.-
and it's a pony -.-
overgamer
Smash Ace
You broke my dreams of finding a utility in Fsmash... It has none now.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
But...
Does it increase hit-stun?
All electric-type moves have more hitstun than normal, but I don't know if charging them gives them even more.
If so, charging would still kill earlier. :3
Does it increase hit-stun?
All electric-type moves have more hitstun than normal, but I don't know if charging them gives them even more.
If so, charging would still kill earlier. :3
U.K.L.
Smash Cadet
abel this is why you're ban from fsmash xD
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Electric type moves only have more shield stun and hitlag. They don't have more hitstun than usual.
With that said, charging moves doesn't increase hitstun. It only increases damage done, which directly increases hitstun itself. It isn't a big distinction, but it's there. So no, charging fsmash literally has zero effect at the sweet spot. The only thing charging fsmash does is make a bad move worse. :D
With that said, I do like fsmash because it's so bad no one ever expects you to use it.
quiKsilverItaly
Smash Journeyman
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Hello.
Please tell me in your opinion the best stages for zss (i just found one old thread) and why.
and
Zss has on Wolf and Fox have a Downsmash-Chain. If you got them near the edge, just chain them to the edge, and at the moment they get offstage you should hit them with a down-b. They should die at ~60%.
Well, not a question, just a thing i wanted to tell.
Please tell me in your opinion the best stages for zss (i just found one old thread) and why.
and
Zss has on Wolf and Fox have a Downsmash-Chain. If you got them near the edge, just chain them to the edge, and at the moment they get offstage you should hit them with a down-b. They should die at ~60%.
Well, not a question, just a thing i wanted to tell.