Wreck-It Bowser

[Dumbfire]

Oh yeah it actually isnt that nice Bowser being defenitly low now..
Yeah I feel bad for ya, especially since you are one of the only actually good Bowsers.. Oh well. =/

 

[Zigsta]

Yeah, I can see some people picking up Bowser for LT, but honestly, he has some rather pesky MUs in LT that non-Bowser mains would rather not bother with.

I see this as a win to Bowser mains outside of Texas, where Bowser's been legal for LT since v4.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Practicing Bowser again.

 

[Zigsta]

Practicing Bowser again.

And here's one of my reasons why Bowser going down is a good thing.

 

[Flayl]

I feel like Bowser is a better character than Lucas and is as bad as Mario, otherwise I have no complaints about his placement.

Seeing Fox that much higher than DK is a little odd I think?

 

[Dumbfire]

Also I have been practicing MK mu reallyyyy hard since Flayl gave me that critique..
Nice little fact, when you shield Mks Up firsth it and you worried about the second hitting, wich can happen when you are on a platform, if you up b it will cancel out the GA and you'll have a chance to get of the platform or get off a jab from suprise.

 

[Flayl]

Limit, did you know how easy it is to bomb Ike out of aether when he's recovering?

I might post a vid up tomorrow of how to handle certain recoveries, but Ike's is so easy if he does a straightforward aether. I have no idea if reversing it makes him any harder to hit but I doubt it.

Basically as soon as I hit Ike off the stage, I jump and double-jump above the ledge. I wait to hear him yell and immediately press down+B. The stall is long enough so that when your hitbox is out Ike is at the vulnerable stage of the recovery.

It's like spiking him with other characters except the timing is ridiculously easy... and it doesn't spike It should kill under 100% though.

 

[Cassius.]

You're definitely telling me this because I play with the second best Ike main in New York regularly, huh.

Red usually doesn't do a straightforward Aether, depending on the situation he would probably not Aether directly up, but I've never thought of that at all. I'll try it when I get home.

JUST ONE MORE MONTH GUYS. LET'S GO. And Vex low tier hype.

When you block MK's initial shuttle loop, you can just reverse UTilt if you expect him to attack you with the glide attack, or FHKlaw? *Theorycrafting*

 

[MrEh]

Bowser should have dropped to bottom tier. :D

 

[Shök]

He's bottom tier in Melee. :D

 

[Cassius.]

He's bottom tier in Melee. :D

Negligible*

Oh, and to celebrate the -5 drop, we should change the title of this thread.

So serious.

 

[Flayl]

You're definitely telling me this because I play with the second best Ike main in New York regularly, huh.

Red usually doesn't do a straightforward Aether, depending on the situation he would probably not Aether directly up, but I've never thought of that at all. I'll try it when I get home.

JUST ONE MORE MONTH GUYS. LET'S GO. And Vex low tier hype.

When you block MK's initial shuttle loop, you can just reverse UTilt if you expect him to attack you with the glide attack, or FHKlaw? *Theorycrafting*

I was hoping you would shut it down and explain how easy it is for Ike to avoid it based on your RedX experience haha.

 

[Cassius.]

Oh. Well, I've never tried Bowser bombing the Aether. I usually just go for FSmash/DA/Down Angled FTilt/whatever works. I know from playing him enough that he won't Aether outright above the stage, because it's easier for me to intercept. He tries it so that it's level with the ledge, so literally the only thing that usually works is DTilt/FSmash disjoint. I'll try bombing definitely.

Welcome the Al Qoopa. (Al Queda?)

I need to get more creative with this game. *sigh*

Flayl recommends becoming a terrorist: Bowser CD.

 

[Zigsta]

Hmm, I've never tried Bombing Bored...I'll add it to my list.

 

[-RedX-]

Just gonna say you risk the chance of Ike grabbing the ledge 1st. Thus, Bowser pooping himself.
Buuut, I think it might work, I'm trying to emulate it in my head. And I think it's been done to me before. lol

 

[Cassius.]

Al QOOPA. Trust me, the Q makes more sense. :3

Red, timing it as soon as Ike yells isn't exactly the best idea, but if we just down-b when you're at a reasonable distance, our invincibility frames will outdo Aether right?

 

[-RedX-]

Red, timing it as soon as Ike yells isn't exactly the best idea, but if we just down-b when you're at a reasonable distance, our invincibility frames will outdo Aether right?

Invincibility on Bowser Bomb? WAT.
Or are you talking about when Bowser snaps the ledge or something like that? There's like 6 frames in between the spins of Aether. Bowser Bomb might be able to hit Ike when he's spinning since Bowser falls pretty fast during downB but it looks like a game of chance since the hitbox on Ike's Aether could mess it up. lol
Then again, I don't have the slightest clue on the hitbox of Bowser Bomb.

 

[Cassius.]

Invincibility on Bowser Bomb? WAT.
Or are you talking about when Bowser snaps the ledge or something like that? There's like 6 frames in between the spins of Aether. Bowser Bomb might be able to hit Ike when he's spinning since Bowser falls pretty fast during downB but it looks like a game of chance since the hitbox on Ike's Aether could mess it up. lol
Then again, I don't have the slightest clue on the hitbox of Bowser Bomb.

Well, thinking about Brawl physics BB will either trade hits with Aether, or Aether will just stop the Bowser Bomb completely. If either happens, Bowser won't be grabbing the ledge.

BB'ing into the ledge literally before you Aether for ledge frames is cute, and you know I have sick timing. I'll try it 8D

 

[-RedX-]

BB'ing into the ledge literally before you Aether for ledge frames is cute, and you know I have sick timing. I'll try it 8D

What if I go onstage with Aether. HA

 

[Cassius.]

What if I go onstage with Aether. HA

Then I won't Bowser Bomb...?

I'm confused. -_- Get klawed more son.

bowsersaltpile.jpg

^points to anyone who makes that^

 

[-RedX-]

But you already commited to Bowser Bomb. -.-
If positioned correctly, Ike can move enough where I can choose to grab ledge or go onstage. It's basically a guessing game depending on Ike's position.

 

[Cassius.]

Oh. Well, if you do land on the ledge, I'll just bull**** klaw my way onto the stage.

more bowsersalt.jpg

 

[-RedX-]

Klaw in every situation why don't you. :[
Also, I just read a bit of the Ganon BBR discussion, and some BBR dude said Ganon is better than Bowser.....

Ganondorf, by far is the worst character or among the top 3 in worst (those in my mind being yoshi, himself, and bowser)

He's probably better than bowser though. He has tons of ground game options and power, but low priority and gets gimped by almost every character in this game, which practically makes him useless. No one has proven ganon can do well. At all. The best was us watching verm destroy a metaknight on the apex projector. But verm didn't even make it to bracket.

lmao

 

[Cassius.]

Well **** that.

On a separate note: http://allisbrawl.com/ttournament.aspx?id=10693

trying hard to get to that, it's the day after I come home for a tiny weekend (3-4 days?) and t0mmy is hosting it.

I'm ready to get it in.

 

[Flayl]

I'm really disappointed in all this theorycraft. Guess I just have to show it myself.

 

[Cassius.]

We're A2Zs in the making. Didn't you know?

/i can't test anything, i dont have brawl on me atm :[

 

[-RedX-]

/I have no Bowsers to test in actual matches. :[

 

[Phiddlesticks]

all you gotta do is powershield every hit of aether on reaction and punish with fsmash

 

[Player-3]

hey guys i'm picking up bowser for low tiers

cuz he's cool

hi

 

[Inferno3044]

Bowser betta realize and recognize that Mario is wayyyy better than him. The pic shows that Mario over Bowser, that indicates that Mario moved up and Bowser drops. Seckz

 

[Zigsta]

Silly troll I've never heard of, Bowser beats Mario any day.

 

[Inferno3044]

Silly troll I've never heard of, Bowser beats Mario any day.

Bowser is ***. He gets combo and then he gets gimped. That's it.

 

[Phiddlesticks]

i dont even understand why people try to troll the bowser boards

its like trying to outswim a dolphin

 

[IsmaR]

Or like that episode of King of the Hill featuring dolphins...nohomo/bestiality.

 

[Cassius.]

You don't need to troll the Bowser boards.

We self-troll it enough. :D

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Bowser is ***. He gets combo and then he gets gimped. That's it.

Please don't call bowser bad when you main Mario, a character bowser beats, thanks.

Btw I'm free

Atomsk typed that part lol.

 

[Cassius.]

Oh ****, he does?

Wait...I always thought it was 50-50. What happened/changed?

 

[IsmaR]

Times, man. Times. Bowser can beat a lot of people if you use him right, obv. Bowser's losing to these people need to step it up.

 

[Cassius.]

Oh word. I guess I'm too old for you guys. Still stuck on that 2010 Bowser.

Welcome to 2011, fellas. The axe behind Bowser is no longer reachable.

Let's get it.

 

[Zigsta]

Bowser definitely beats Mario. Get him off stage, and he has ZERO OPTIONS.

Right, GNES?!